The Punisher versus The Terminator

Originally posted by Soljer
The terminator isn't mercury. It's not liquid metal.

It's billions and billions of molecular machines. Small, tiny molecules functioning as independent machines.

Why would acid even work on it?

Didnt an explosive round work on it. Hey if its billions of machines it shouldnt ahve been affected by that either.

Originally posted by Soljer

Further more; you're giving the Punisher the benefit of the doubt. A terminator won't know that the Punisher is just chilling in a factory of Reed's lab (apparently...I dunno where else you'd find the required acids).

However, he DOES have detailed files that describe the Punisher as a benevolent good-guy.

1. The Termiantor listens to the radio, do something dramtic that will let people know you are there.. There are factories and labs in cities.

Furthermore im not giving him the benefit of the doubt I never said that he could win this without a doubt, I simply gave scenerio in which it could work.

Originally posted by Soljer

The Terminator proceeds to become an amorphous blob, hide, indistinguishable from the ground, and THEN let the Punisher walk up, envelop him, and stab him in the brain.

The Punisher cannot win this without a plot device. He cannot attain a plot device, because in your average urban environment, they don't exist.

Well its not like that couldnt happen. Like I said if retreats to a factory he could have electromagnets that can detect it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
"In the Terminator 2 story, The T-1000's major innovation is its "mimetic poly-alloy" construction -- an intelligent liquid metal."

--wiki

also, Punisher can just freeze T 1000.

Originally posted by masterbruce
"In the Terminator 2 story, The T-1000's major innovation is its "mimetic poly-alloy" construction -- an intelligent liquid metal."

--wiki

also, Punisher can just freeze T 1000.

It's a half truth.

He's a collection of nanites.

An explosive round shook the structure. Imagine a tower of legos. Throw a baseball at it.

The tower goes to pieces, but (most likely) the legos are unaffected. You can simply rebuild the tower.

The explosive round didn't harm the terminator. It slowed it down.

Acids, magnets, what other pseudoscience bullshit are you going to pull out to give your buddy frank the win?

Do we even know whether the Terminator is ferrous? I kind of doubt it. Skynet would, you know, notice such a glaring weakness in their creation.

Originally posted by Soljer
It's a half truth.

He's a collection of nanites.

he may be nanites...but the nanites are metallic in nature

Originally posted by Soljer

Do we even know whether the Terminator is ferrous? I kind of doubt it. Skynet would, you know, notice such a glaring weakness in their creation.

wow, that's some poor logic right there

Originally posted by Soljer
Did YOU happen to notice that he said TARNISH?

Do you know what the word tarnish means?

Oh; and nice edit. Try to hide your ignorance. 🙂. It doesn't help much.

Fair enough, im not perfect but that still doesnt change the fact that the plan could work.

Originally posted by Creshosk
For the amount and type you'd need?

Oh so in other words it could be done then?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Hell you still haven't even said which acid it'll be that would have any effect.

Im not running from a T-1000 all I know is that there are supercids and that they can dissolve metal im not going to spend several hours looking through the web so I can debate with you im going to use the information I have available.

Originally posted by Creshosk

Remember cop out answers are not accepted.

"He's batman he'll find a way." Counts as a biased answer for example and is against the rules. 🙂

its not baised let me explain why. Venom has superhuman strength, speed and duarability. The Reavers are cyborgs. Deadpool is a superhuman MA with a healing factor. I didnt say he could capture it because he was Punisher and said he could capture it and gave the examples of people who he has captured and thus giving an explantion, get it?

Originally posted by Creshosk

Yeah, and usually over a long period of time. And that's even if it would work on a T-1000 which is composed of we don't know what. Heat from molten metal is a given but the effects of acid on an unknown metal, we don't even know if acid would tarnish it. Or if it would absorb the acid into it and make it more dangerous.

Of course it might not work all I said was its a possibility I dont see how that deserves being called a Punisher fanboy.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Didnt an explosive round work on it. Hey if its billions of machines it shouldnt ahve been affected by that either.

Originally posted by Alfheim
1. The Termiantor listens to the radio, do something dramtic that will let people know you are there.. There are factories and labs in cities.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Furthermore im not giving him the benefit of the doubt I never said that he could win this without a doubt, I simply gave scenerio in which it could work.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well its not like that couldnt happen. Like I said if retreats to a factory he could have electromagnets that can detect it.

Originally posted by masterbruce
he may be nanites...but the nanites are metallic in nature

But he's not liquid. And the metal part of him...well...nanorobots, while resembling metal, may not be any such thing. The TRUE nanorobots we currently have aren't made of solely metal. They couldn't be - they wouldn't be effective or efficient. Read up on nanotechnology, and nano/microrobotics. Even wiki would do, I'm sure.

Originally posted by masterbruce
wow, that's some poor logic right there

No, the poor logic is assuming that, because it appears to be metal, it IS metal, and because it IS metal, it MUST be ferrous.

Allowing for the possibility of non-ferrous materials (which are actually FAR FAR more common) in good logic, my friend.

Originally posted by masterbruce
wow, that's some poor logic right there

No, its poor logic to go. "Oh its metal therefore its ferrious." As not all metal is ferrious... notice you can't pick up precious metals with a magnet?

Originally posted by Creshosk
It blew him apart, but he would have been able to reform.. all it did was push the T-1000 apart. it didn't defeat him.

Yeah I know....

Originally posted by Creshosk

With the amount and type of acid you'd need? There is none that would have the effect of nail polish remover on styrofoam... THAT by the way is how they do metal disolving acids in the movies. As none actually exist that can do that. You'd have to completely submerge the terminator and hold him there long enough for the acid to do its job. I'm pretty sure they don't have vats of acid just lying around that can disolve metal.

So in other words they do can do it if its submerged long enough?

Originally posted by Creshosk

But there's alot of doubt about the scenerio... because you still haven't shown how it'll work.

Of course but as I stated if he can capture DP and Venom and defeat the Reavers he stands a chance.

Originally posted by Creshosk

unless the metal its made of is non-ferrious, then the electromagnets wouldn't be able to tell it apart from anything else.

thats true but it might be made of ferrous metal, there is always doubt in these things.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, the poor logic is assuming that, because it appears to be metal, it IS metal, and because it IS metal, it MUST be ferrous.

Allowing for the possibility of non-ferrous materials (which are actually FAR FAR more common) in good logic, my friend.

the poor logic was assuming he wasn't ferrous because Skynet wouldn't allow a flawed creation.

Originally posted by masterbruce
the poor logic was assuming he wasn't ferrous because Skynet wouldn't allow a flawed creation.

Thank you!

The fact is its a debate about fictional characters and there will be alot of doubt both sides of reasonalbe points. What you dont do it insult another person beacuse they have a different opinion....geeezzz.

Originally posted by masterbruce
the poor logic was assuming he wasn't ferrous because Skynet wouldn't allow a flawed creation.

No, the fact that skynet is well aware of humans and their overt use of electromagnetic pulses - as, you know, pointed out in the Terminator comics, would lead one to believe that skynet would not protect itself, only to then NOT protect itself.

😐.

Originally posted by Soljer
But he's not liquid. And the metal part of him...well...nanorobots, while resembling metal, may not be any such thing. The TRUE nanorobots we currently have aren't made of solely metal. They couldn't be - they wouldn't be effective or efficient. Read up on nanotechnology, and nano/microrobotics. Even wiki would do, I'm sure.

um...we aren't debating by the real world.

T1000 is described as liquid metal...and you said he was nanite, which I accept without proof, thus his nanites must be made of, at least partially metallic substance.

If Punisher has any sort of EMP device, this may very well reduce T-1000 into rubbish.

Originally posted by Soljer
No, the fact that skynet is well aware of humans and their overt use of electromagnetic pulses - as, you know, pointed out in the Terminator comics, would lead one to believe that skynet would not protect itself, only to then NOT protect itself.

😐.

you also realize that skynet may realize potential weaknesses with its creation, but simply isn't able to build a better model due to technological limitations, right?

Originally posted by Soljer
No, the fact that skynet is well aware of humans and their overt use of electromagnetic pulses - as, you know, pointed out in the Terminator comics, would lead one to believe that skynet would not protect itself, only to then NOT protect itself.

😐.

That apllies to disabling tech, not using electromagnets to detect terminators.

Originally posted by masterbruce
um...we aren't debating by the real world.

T1000 is described as liquid metal...and you said he was nanite, which I accept without proof, thus his nanites must be made of, at least partially metallic substance.

If Punisher has any sort of EMP device, this may very well reduce T-1000 into rubbish.

No, because skynet is well aware of EMPs, as noted in the terminator comics, and has taken steps to shield itself.

It would not, then, UN-shield itself.

Further; he was described as liquid metal, because it's an easy analogy to make. He is not a liquid, so if one part of the title doesn't hold true, why must the other? It's far more likely, according to our own technology, to construct a swarm nanorobot out of non-metallic substances.