Originally posted by Soljer
No, because skynet is well aware of EMPs, as noted in the terminator comics, and has taken steps to shield itself.It would not, then, UN-shield itself.
because it can shield a terminator
does not mean it can utilize that defense effectively in every of its conceptions
what works for a robot may be much harder, if not impossible, to implement in a nanite organism
Originally posted by Soljer
No, because skynet is well aware of EMPs, as noted in the terminator comics, and has taken steps to shield itself.It would not, then, UN-shield itself.
Further; he was described as liquid metal, because it's an easy analogy to make. He is not a liquid, so if one part of the title doesn't hold true, why must the other? It's far more likely, according to our own technology, to construct a swarm nanorobot out of non-metallic substances.
actually, he fulfills the property of a liquid - able to deform and reform according to boundaries and also able to flow
Originally posted by masterbruce
because it can shield a terminatordoes not mean it can utilize that defense effectively in every of its conceptions
what works for a robot may be much harder, if not impossible, to implement in a nanite organism
You're grasping at straws.
It is far more likely that skynet HAS shielded the t-1000 than it is that it did not.
Sure, anything's possible. Maybe Skynet engineered the 1000 out of cheese. Anything's possible, that wasn't DIRECTLY stated.
However, it HAS been stated that skynet shields its creations.
Why would it shield all of its creations but, just, randomly, not choose to shield this one?
Originally posted by AlfheimWell... hypothetically speaking you might be able to damage him enough if you found an acid that worked... however given the fact that its nanites and if they are indeed molecular then you're using molecues to fight molecue sized things. For all we know the nanites would be able to pull the molecues of the acid apart and store them to be used on Frank. The heat from the molten metal .. well if you know what heat is it works on a slightly smaller scale that just molecular to at least an atomic level if not smaller...
Yeah I know....So in other words they do can do it if its submerged long enough?
Its not very phesable given the limited knowledge that we have.
Originally posted by AlfheimYou're still facing a problem in your scenerio of finding what he needs.
Of course but as I stated if he can capture DP and Venom and defeat the Reavers he stands a chance.
What acid would he be using, where is he going to get it? I won't accept a "He's the punisher! He'll find a way." Because the point of these debates is for YOU to find a way.
Originally posted by AlfheimSo if there is always doubt then its not doubtful that Frank's plan might not work.
thats true but it might be made of ferrous metal, there is always doubt in these things.
And remember it has to have Iron in it for it to be ferrious... That's why Iron is Fe
ferrous means "Made of iron." If its made of titanium or some other alloy(mixture of metals) it's not going to be ferrous.
Originally posted by Soljer
You're grasping at straws.It is far more likely that skynet HAS shielded the t-1000 than it is that it did not.
Sure, anything's possible. Maybe Skynet engineered the 1000 out of cheese. Anything's possible, that wasn't DIRECTLY stated.
However, it HAS been stated that skynet shields its creations.
Why would it shield all of its creations but, just, randomly, not choose to shield this one?
ok, Im going to use an analogy
computer producers want to deliver the most powerful computers to customers
however, while they can put in a powerful 3d card into a desktop, they have to use a lesser card for a laptop due to technological limitations
it would be foolish of me to say that since computer companies build the best possible computers, laptops and desktops must have equivalent power
Originally posted by masterbruceRight, but we often times use real world knowledge to suppliment the knowledge we don't have from the given
um...we aren't debating by the real world.
Originally posted by masterbruceDo they just leave those lying around the city along with the vats of gallons of acid and liquid nitrogen?
If Punisher has any sort of EMP device, this may very well reduce T-1000 into rubbish.
Oh yeah and apparently some magnets can pick non-ferrous metals.
http://www.rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm
The point is, though, that the varying field in the washers will induce, in turn, a large current in any metal object (ferrous or not) brought near them. This current, of course, sets up a magnetic field in the object. And the direction of the field will always be such that the part of the object in contact with the outside face of the set of washers will move the opposite magnetic polarity fro that face. Therefore, the object will be attracted.
Well its your word against his. Maybe its rubbish.
What we can still conclude that acid can dissolve a T-1000 but you need lots of it and a long time.
Originally posted by Creshosk
Right, but we often times use real world knowledge to suppliment the knowledge we don't have from the givenDo they just leave those lying around the city along with the vats of gallons of acid and liquid nitrogen?
we know comic physics and science is completely absurd, hence pointless to use real science to supplement
as to the EMP grenades, I was just wondering if it is part of Frank's usual arsenal
Originally posted by Soljer
You're comparing two unlike things. Logical fallacy.Also, the fact that it's unknown but MORE LIKELY to be shielded than unshielded means that arguing EMP is a very, very poor route to take.
your argument:
because Skynet shields some creations
it must shield all creations
that's a logical fallacy in and of itself
Originally posted by AlfheimNo we have not concluded that the acid will dissolve the T-1000... What metal is it made out of? What acid are you using?
Oh yeah and apparently some magnets can pick non-ferrous metals.http://www.rexresearch.com/mrmagnet/mrmagnet.htm
The point is, though, that the varying field in the washers will induce, in turn, a large current in any metal object (ferrous or not) brought near them. This current, of course, sets up a magnetic field in the object. And the direction of the field will always be such that the part of the object in contact with the outside face of the set of washers will move the opposite magnetic polarity fro that face. Therefore, the object will be attracted.
Well its your word against his. Maybe its rubbish.
What we can still conclude that acid can dissolve a T-1000 but you need lots of it and a long time.
Or are you once again pulling shit out of your ass and saying this is the way things work? Like hulk being able to just flex and use energy attacks?
Dissolve technicly isn't the right word, its more of accelerationg oxidization, which as was said before we don't know if it would work on a t-1000 because we don't know the material its made of so we don't know the oxidization properties of it.
You can't say that something has been concluded when it hasn't.
Hell everything carries an electric charge because there is electricity acting as the bonds in all things.
Originally posted by masterbruce
your argument:because Skynet shields some creations
it must shield all creations
that's a logical fallacy in and of itself
Kindly do not put words in my mouth. Thanks.
My argument was that since Skynet shields it's creations (note that there is no some, all, many, or any other qualifier. Just it's creations)
That it is far more likely that skynet has also shielded the T-1000.
Since it is more likely that the terminator IS shielded than it is NOT shielded, arguing something that is unlikely to work is a very weak tactic indeed.
Originally posted by masterbruceIts not that absurd. Youre really reaching here. They still have gravity, they still explain electricity, things still work with molecules. To say they are as different as you're making them out to be is a sham distinction.
we know comic physics and science is completely absurd, hence pointless to use real science to supplement
Originally posted by masterbruceDoes he always have EMP grenades on him? How often does he go up against criminals whom that would be effective on?
as to the EMP grenades, I was just wondering if it is part of Frank's usual arsenal
EMP grenades. Which are, in and of themselves, entirely unlikely to work.
Liquid nitrogen, which Frank is VERY unlikely to run across in the necessary volumes. Not to mention the fact that it WOULDN'T STOP THE DAMNED THING!
Did you notice how the T-1000 was, again, slowed but not beaten?
And, lastly, acid vats, which would need to be the strongest acid known to man, need to be of the appropriate type, need to even be able to affect the molecular machines that comprise the Terminator.
In other words, alfheim and yourself are grasping. at. straws.
Originally posted by masterbruceWhere? They don't just leave those lying around the city. Again, no biased arguments.
so far 3 things Punisher COULD do to effect T-1000 in order of plausibility1. EMP grenade (I know Frank can get these if he wants)
Originally posted by masterbruceDo you even know how fire extinguishers work?
2. Freeze and contain (Frank should be able to locate some fire extinguishers)
Originally posted by masterbruceWe don't even know if that would work. Different acids corrode different materials. Put the terminator in the wrong one and nothing is going to happen.
3. destroy with acid (this might be hard for Frank to locate acid vats)
You do know that acids are all different right?