You cannot Prove God's existence.

Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
Last I heard Science "discovers" not "proves" things. If you want to prove something then you have to be a forensic scientist and prove someone use a knife to kill the victim.

Proof? never 100%. BUt it proves things enough that you wont step off a cliff thinking gravity won't apply to you.

Again guys we have free will meaning we make our own mistakes.God is not abot to stop us he knows anyway we will be judge when we die and get to the pearly gates of st peter so either way we are doom!jm

We have free will? Then God is not all knowing.

How is God not knowing if we have freewill?Got to go.Talk to you later!jm

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
How is God not knowing if we have freewill?Got to go.Talk to you later!jm

If he knows what we will do in advance we can not decide. We have to do what he already knows.

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Not really again it is up to us not him.He would know what we have plan but he is not about to do anything if it is good or a bad thing.That is for us to decide.I really should go out and enjoy the weather too nice to be inside.Hint!jm

God knows the outcomes of all the possible choices we make.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
How is God not knowing if we have freewill?Got to go.Talk to you later!jm

Originally posted by Council#13
God knows the outcomes of all the possible choices we make.

You really have to be stupid to think that if there is just one possible outcome that there is free will, don't you?

Originally posted by lord xyz
But he doesn't know which one we'll make.

Then he's not all knowing.

Originally posted by Alliance
Then he's not all knowing.

😂 Ok.

Knowing ahead of time doesn't eliminate choice. That's faulty logic at best. If I try evoke a reaction out of a person knowing exactly how they will react am I eliminating the eliminate of choice? No, the choice always remains to do otherwise. Just because God knows it does not mean that we didn't choose it. You make decision in your life where you choose what you will do. That is you made choice based on your own will. God knowing what you will do is seperate from that.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Knowing ahead of time doesn't eliminate choice. That's faulty logic at best. If I try evoke a reaction out of a person knowing exactly how they will react am I eliminating the eliminate of choice? No, the choice always remains to do otherwise. Just because God knows it does not mean that we didn't choose it. You make decision in your life where you choose what you will do. That is you made choice based on your own will. God knowing what you will do is seperate from that.

In the instance you describe, you do not know how he will react, you are simply inferring how he will react based on previous experience.

Focus on the point not the details.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Focus on the point not the details.

The details are the point. As it is, you do not have a true analogy.

Your right, it isn't a true analogy, but the point is still valid. Preknowledge does not equal eliminating choice.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Your right, it isn't a true analogy, but the point is still valid. Preknowledge does not equal eliminating choice.