You cannot Prove God's existence.

Umm... no. He knows everything about us, more than we know ourselves. However, we can still make choices.

Have you ever made a conscious decision in your life after weighing the possible decisions? Safely assuming the answer is yes, that would mean you have made a free choice. Now God could easily have known what decision you would make without influencing you to make it, meaning that you made your decision of free will and yet, God still knew the decision beforehand.

If god already knows it, the decision has already been made.

Not really. A decision is conscious. It couldn't have been made beforehand.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Your right, it isn't a true analogy, but the point is still valid. Preknowledge does not equal eliminating choice.

Actually, if it is not a true analogy, then the point is not valid.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Not really. A decision is conscious. It couldn't have been made beforehand.

Exactly. This is why God cannot be all knowing.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Actually, if it is not a true analogy, then the point is not valid.

Originally posted by Alliance
Exactly. This is why God cannot be all knowing.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually it is.

The purpose of your analogy is to support your argument. Since your analogy is incorrect, it does not support your argument. So no, it is not.

Originally posted by Nellinator
Umm... no. He knows everything about us, more than we know ourselves. However, we can still make choices.

Have you ever made a conscious decision in your life after weighing the possible decisions? Safely assuming the answer is yes, that would mean you have made a free choice. Now God could easily have known what decision you would make without influencing you to make it, meaning that you made your decision of free will and yet, God still knew the decision beforehand.

I argee he knows everything.And because we make our own decisions weather it is right or wrong does not mean that he does not exist!jm 🙂

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
I am incapable of thinking logically

Originally posted by Nellinator
Actually it is.
But he already knows what your decision will be. You still have to make it though. The decision is preknown (is this even a word?) not predetermined.

How can something be known, but not determined.

If it is ONE way, there is ONE choice.

Yea sure change my words around!You should for yours!night!jm

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Just saying not your best insult at all.Getting abit slow I see!Night.jm

Its not about insulting, its about critical thinking.

That is true but if it is about that then please lay off the insult and say what yuo have to say on the topic not about my answear.thank you.terri

Why can't I critique your answers, Terri?

Originally posted by Alliance
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How can something be known, but not determined.

If it is ONE way, there is ONE choice.

If you could look into the future and see what decisions certain people will make would it change the fact that they still have to choose? No, you knowing does not change their ability to decide for themselves. You knowing the future doesn't change the circumstance of the present unless you interfere based on it (which I believe God actually does in rare instances).

Originally posted by Nellinator
One choice that WILL be made, not one choice that CAN be made. God isn't forcing us into a certain decision, He simply knows we will make it.

If you could look into the future and see what decisions certain people will make would it change the fact that they still have to choose? No, you knowing does not change their ability to decide for themselves. You knowing the future doesn't change the circumstance of the present unless you interfere based on it (which I believe God actually does in rare instances).

Your knowledge of the future changes the future.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Your knowledge of the future changes the future.

Originally posted by Nellinator
If you could look into the future and see what decisions certain people will make would it change the fact that they still have to choose?

Yes. For me to be correct, he must do exactly what I know that he will do. While it may appear to him that he is making choices, he is simply going through the predetermined motions.

They cannot be predetermined if the decision hasn't been made yet. They aren't predetermined, they are preknown. The choice is there, God knows what it will be, but that is not the same as Him deciding for you. God can be completely seperated from your decision making process and still know exactly what you will do.