Re: You cannot Prove God's existence.
Originally posted by JacopeXuhh whats the point?
Or prove that the bible is all fake. It is actually based on [B]faith. I am catholic and I believe that faith is what you have even if your a non believer, or Christian, catholic, Muslim, etc. You cant prove god is real or not. Thats impossible really, as well as proving the existence of god wrong. All I have is faith, and I will always believe in god and my religion, holy spirit, Holy Catholic church, and life everlasting.So, I think it is pretty pointless to try to prove that God and the bible is true or false. If you don't believe in god, that is fine with me. You just don't have faith with it. You don't believe in a god. Does not mean you should try to ruin it all with so many things. We have our defence of our religion as well, but in my opinion, its all faith. So lets end the whole debate and move on. 😄
Thoughts? [/B]
Re: You cannot Prove God's existence.
Originally posted by JacopeX
Or prove that the bible is all fake. It is actually based on [B]faith. I am catholic and I believe that faith is what you have even if your a non believer, or Christian, catholic, Muslim, etc. You cant prove god is real or not. Thats impossible really, as well as proving the existence of god wrong. All I have is faith, and I will always believe in god and my religion, holy spirit, Holy Catholic church, and life everlasting.So, I think it is pretty pointless to try to prove that God and the bible is true or false. If you don't believe in god, that is fine with me. You just don't have faith with it. You don't believe in a god. Does not mean you should try to ruin it all with so many things. We have our defence of our religion as well, but in my opinion, its all faith. So lets end the whole debate and move on. 😄
Thoughts? [/B]
I think thats the purpose of faith, it reaches places where logic inference can´t go, but faith can be wrong too. It is not everything that is believed by faith that is right, so things are not so simple.
Knowing that, it can be very difficult to guess if those things which are reacheable only by faith are true or not since there is only our faith and intuition to make the avaliation of such things.
Originally posted by King Nothing
Can anyone absolutely prove to me with out a doubt, with out a stone unturned, that God does not exist?
Can you even logically prove that, even with unfettered evidence? No.
Something has to exist before you can disprove it and since there is no evidence of God's existance, how can you expect one to prove he is not there.
Athiests aren't making sensational claims. Theists are. THEY need to back it up.
Originally posted by dirkdirden
For now that holds true but Proof of his of his non-existence will come either by science or by time either way people will either give up faith because there was never a second coming or they will find scientifically proof.
PUtting as much faith in science as religion is one and the same. Views change, personality changes, facts change figures change, life chages, theory's change. Nothing is certain or uncertain aside from the fact that we are.
you just find something to put your faith into to find solace. Whether that faith is "factual figures" that we consider science, or the spiritual unknown. We all have faith in something. Maybe we should ask ourselves why that is, and from there we can find the true answer of where we come from and why we are.
Fuzzy logic already offsets logic, so hypothetically assuming we find this proof that you speak of, what is to say that future scientific speculation on that evidence will lead to the disproof of the found evidence which dissproved the existence of god? it's all relative
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
PUtting as much faith in science as religion is one and the same.
Oh really? Science is based on fact. Based on observation. Regardless of weather our perception of the world changes, its still infinately better than basing perceptions on religon, which presents nothing.
Educated versus arbitrary guess. Which would you choose...becuase I doubt you're going to go jump off a cliff, thinking that gravity will not apply to you.
Relativity applies to somethings...not to everything. You need to know when it is logical to apply relativity and when it is not.
Re: Re: You cannot Prove God's existence.
Originally posted by Atlantis001But how does logic have to interfere with faith if it is what you really believe?
I think thats the purpose of faith, it reaches places where logic inference can´t go, but faith can be wrong too. It is not everything that is believed by faith that is right, so things are not so simple.Knowing that, it can be very difficult to guess if those things which are reachable only by faith are true or not since there is only our faith and intuition to make the avaliation of such things.
Yes, faith CAN be wrong but religion such as Christianity is still what most people believe. And how can you say that the bible is really fake (New testament)?
Re: Re: Re: You cannot Prove God's existence.
Originally posted by JacopeX
But how does logic have to interfere with faith if it is what you really believe?Yes, faith CAN be wrong but religion such as Christianity is still what most people believe.
An irrational person can believe anything despite evidence to the contrary.
Originally posted by JacopeX
And how can you say that the bible is really fake (New testament)?
Because it is.
Re: Re: Re: You cannot Prove God's existence.
Originally posted by JacopeX
But how does logic have to interfere with faith if it is what you really believe?Yes, faith CAN be wrong but religion such as Christianity is still what most people believe. And how can you say that the bible is really fake (New testament)?
Mot people, at one point, did not belive in religion. Most people, at one point, believed that slavery was acceptable and the color of your skin determined not only your intelligence leve, but how much sin you had in your bloodline.
Majority opinon is not justified, simply it is because the majority.