Apocalypse vs. Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Matter manipulation feats.

Apocalypse is able to generate a seemingly endless supply of projectiles from his body is very interesting, it seems it’s energy so more to add to the self generating energy fire.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocenergy2.png

Matter manipulation. Turns his harbinger into a bomb.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers20.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/powers21.png

Here's a scan attesting to Apoc's will power, and just how much he was weakened during that fight. Keep in mind Apocalypse was severely weakened during X-cutioners song. This is a major willpower demonstration.

http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/uncxmen1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22125
http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/uncxmen1.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=22126

Matter manipulates an andidote for the poison from the first pestilence from his own body.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apoctransmutate2.png

Morphs hand into machine gun w/bullets. Again transmutes his body into metal (gun/bullets).
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apoctransmutate.png

Most of those are manipulation of his own body,and the antidote one i cannot see,but he is never shown altering anything.

Harbringer is a machine,and he states that he reconfigure's him,he messed with his circutry,not his molecules,thats why he stuck his hand in him.

Wtf is a machine gun hand gonna do to Jonn?

Jonn onces fought Captain Marvel to a stallmate in H2H alone. he is just as strong if not stronger than Apoc. As been stated by DC metahuman bereau MM is more dangerous than superman because he is too powerful and has almost no weakness. MM is just as powerful as superman and more versatile. MM also have energy projection

Well.....that was fun while it lasted.....

J'onn does not have Apoc's level of molecular control, if he has it at all. And certainly not matter manipulation or Apoc's energy powers. The fact that he was able to create the bullets from his own body and fire the gun as a part of him shows incredible control and skill.

Apocalypse being able to swallow bullets and spit them back.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocspitsbullets.jpg

The any physical power thing, and a bit of molecular control. It just looks cool. 😄
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/apocblows.jpg

I'm kind of tired. Let's call it a night on this one and continue tomorrow.

mhm

You dub*sses, this was created like a month ago.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=434280&highlight=title%3A%28apocalypse+vs.+martian+manhunter%29
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=437210&highlight=title%3A%28apocalypse+vs.+martian+manhunter%29
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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
J'onn does not have Apoc's level of molecular control, if he has it at all. And certainly not matter manipulation or Apoc's energy powers.

Jonn has equal control to Apoc,he can Shapeshift,heal and contain objects inside himself all with his molecular control.

Apoc doesn't have matter manipulation,it has yet to be proven.

Energy is jack to Jonn considering he can speedblitz Apoc,Phase through the attack,or just make Apoc mentally incapable of firing.

Good call on the tired thing i'm a bit tired myself.

How about we leave out speedblitz for once? It's really just a cheapshot.

Strength is nothing to argue about. Apoc could simply draw on energy sources to amp himself to levels matching MM.

And phasing Apoc should also be capable of, since he has molecular control like MM.

Manhunter wins.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Strength is nothing to argue about. Apoc could simply draw on energy sources to amp himself to levels matching MM.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And phasing Apoc should also be capable of, since he has molecular control like MM.

So, he hasn't done it, but he SHOULD be able to do it?

Also, Manhunter has better control over his body.

Here he completely regenerates from just an arm.
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow11ch.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow28mx.jpg

Originally posted by bigbran
And then Manhunter tops it...
http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=japan59bu1ok.jpg

And then Apoc tops it. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by bigbran
So, he hasn't done it, but he SHOULD be able to do it?

Yes, because he has molecular control like MM.

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, Manhunter has better control over his body.

Here he completely regenerates from just an arm.
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow11ch.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow28mx.jpg

And Apoc has blowed himself up, and just regenerated from there. And in a weakened state.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocblowsup.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And then Apoc tops it. 😖hifty:

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Yes, because he has molecular control like MM.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And Apoc has blowed himself up, and just regenerated from there. And in a weakened state.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocblowsup.png

You guys are talking about Appoc as if he is a Darksied level being which he is not.
MM with ease
what about this one MM used his one wish ability to wish Appoc out of existance

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
And phasing Apoc should also be capable of, since he has molecular control like MM.

Ooohh, best match up i have seen for quite some time in here!😄
(Even though i have been here 1 day)
In comics, MM would win. He is the hero, and lets be honest, Apocalypse always loses, even through he dont deserves to🙁 And MM is a hero. But using logic, i would think of Apocalypse as the winner.

Originally posted by bigbran
How?

Increase his mass, as MM does in that scan, by drawing on extra-dimensional sources?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocgrow.png

Originally posted by bigbran
Still means nothing...

Same powers. Means theoretically, same abilities.

Originally posted by bigbran
It didn't seem like he completely blew up... also, MM WAS AN ARM!
He grew back his entire body, from an arm!

It's an impressive feat. But take in mind that MM is regenerating slowly in those scans, and if he happens to come in that position when fighting Apoc, then Apoc has enough time to destroy whatever is left of MM before he could fully regenerate his entire body.

Here, Apoc regenerates from a puddle of ooze. Note how he’s regenerating up from liquid, his legs look more like the size of blue bones and liquid compared to his pelvic area and the holes for his legs, and parts of his body looking emaciated, the back of his head even drooping from an ooze form.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocregernate.png
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocrege2.png

Once again, that scan took place during the X-Cutioner's Song, same as when Apoc blowed himself up, and was severely weakened.

Now, if Apoc could regenerate that fast from just being weakened, imagine how he could do it at full power.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Increase his mass, as MM does in that scan, by drawing on extra-dimensional sources?

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocgrow.png

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Same powers. Means theoretically, same abilities.

Surfer has the same power source as Morg, so that means that Morg can absorb a portion of the red sun?

Ultron is a robot like Vision, so that means that Ultron can become intangible?

Come on, if he hasn't done it, then don't try and use it.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
It's an impressive feat. But take in mind that MM is regenerating slowly, and if he happens to come in that position when fighting Apoc, then Apoc has enough time to destroy whatever is left of MM before he could fully regenerate his entire body.

Here, Apoc regenerates from a puddle of ooze. Note how he’s regenerating up from liquid, his legs look more like the size of blue bones and liquid compared to his pelvic area and the holes for his legs, and parts of his body looking emaciated, the back of his head even drooping from an ooze form.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/Nightmareman95/apocregernate.png

Once again, that scan took place during the X-Cutioner's Song, same as when Apoc blowed himself up, and was severely weakened.

Now, if Apoc could regenerate that fast from just being weakened, imagine how he could do it at full power.

No matter what way you look at it, MM is a better healer.

Jonn.

Originally posted by bigbran
Looks like he is using some tech to do so...
With those things coming from him and all...

He had linked himself to a bunch of machinery that was going
to leech on the X-Factor's life-forces to increase his powers to seemingly cosmic levels.

It had nothing to do with increasing his mass.

Originally posted by bigbran
You have to be joking... right?
Gladaitor has the same powers as Superman, so that also means that he can mind rape someone?
Or, it means that he can absorb energy?

Surfer has the same power source as Morg, so that means that Morg can absorb a portion of the red sun?

Ultron is a robot like Vision, so that means that Ultron can become intangible?

Come on, if he hasn't done it, then don't try and use it.

Well, that was a just stupid response.

Vision has the ability to manipulate his mass and density. It has nothing to do with being a robot.

Gladiator's are result of his unique alien physiology. And Reed Richards theorized that Gladiator's powers were in part psionic, that his abilities are linked in some way to his own self-confidence.

Now, both Martian Manhunter and Apocalypse have the same power which is: Complete control over their molecular structure.

Both can shape-shift; change their appearance; alter their size; elongate their body and limbs;

But phasing just happens to be an capability, Apoc shouldn't be able to do?

His phasing has always been listed as a seperate power.
He can also phase and make invisible OTHER people. Farther showing that it's not just his self-molecular control.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
He had linked himself to a bunch of machinery that was going
to leech on the X-Factor's life-forces to increase his powers to seemingly cosmic levels.

It had nothing to do with increasing his mass.

After Apocalypse spends his time reaching Manhunter's level, Manhunter then sucks in mass.

Then it will take even more time.

Also, Manhunter's TP is WAAAAY higher than Apoc's... mindrape, for the win?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Well, that was a just stupid response.

Vision has the ability to manipulate his mass and density. It has nothing to do with being a robot.

Gladiator's are result of his unique alien physiology. And Reed Richards theorized that Gladiator's powers were in part psionic, that his abilities are linked in some way to his own self-confidence.

Now, both Martian Manhunter and Apocalypse have the same power which is: Complete control over their molecular structure.

Both can shape-shift; change their appearance; alter their size; elongate their body and limbs;

But phasing just happens to be an capability, Apoc shouldn't be able to do?

I'm not the one trying to give Apocalypse the ability to go through walls and attacks.

Also, Apocalypse shouldn't be able to do it, because he hasn't? You know?

Also, Manhunter is an alien, and...
Well, there is also no evidence that Apoc can do it.