Martian_mind
telepathy+debates+=Pwned
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Apoc has matter manipulation, that's the point. I never said it would be easy for him to win with it. It's just that Martian does not have the same level. When was the last time Martian made an andidote for a poison or a gun, or a jetpack, or a giant mechanical claw from his body? Apoc's molecular control being superior to J'onn's isn't up for discussion. You can't possibly say MM has the energy control advantage, he's nowhere Apocalypse's level of energy manipulation. And he still has the goddamn fire weakness.At the end of the Trial by Fire arc, J'onn told Superman of the changes he'd gone through. "The flame and I are again bound, body and soul... but not as before... I can withstand simple fire without pain. Candle flame, or a burning forest, it matters not unless -- they are flames of psychic significance. Flames of suffering, as The Burning created... flames of passion, as an arsonist might create... flames of love. Those... those most of all I cannot bear."
It's just not nearly as bad as it used to be. Martian cannot amp the way Supes or Apoc can. He doesn't have that kind of a power source. Physically, yes, MM has the advantage. But.....Apocalypse can give himself life-stealing, kinetic absorbtion, solar energy absorbtion, neural toxin in his arm weapons, he's got too many options that writers forget about or don't utilize. 2nd, Martian's stamina is crap. It has been that way for a long time. Apocalypse can outlast him.
Bullshit.
The majority of your debating style is speculating on abilities that Apoc might have with his molecular control.Everything you showed can be attributed to shapeshifting,but i humoured you.Jonn was able to heal from the hourman viruis whereas the heroes Superman1 million and Batman 1 million were stumped and at it's mercy.He regrew from being cut into 100 peices and from being exploded across the room.How about you prove Apoc has better control huh?you haven't showed shit to prove apocs superiority in that area.
When was the last time Apoc grew Six arms?or turned into a giant praying mantis?again,if all Jonn can do is shapeshift,then that's all apoc has.
Shit stamina?you Bser,Jonn stood up to asmodel's scream,Asmodel stated that his scream destroyed matter itself,and guess what?Jonn was caught in the middle and flew out without a scratch.He then was able to take being caught in a full on explosion and still stalemate Asmodel.He then flew up and helped WW lift the heavenly chariot DESPITE the fact that his hands were set on fire the instant they touched it.Apoc isn't outlasting him.
Apoc won't ever be able to take advantage of Jonns fire weakness because as of OYL it no longer EXISTS.
Here is Jonn being shot into a peice of mining equipment which explodes into flames.A white martian who beleived that Jonn had ****ed with his mind put him there,so there was plenty of passion.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic100.jpg
He doesn't have a scratch on him and afterwards he proceeds to beat the shit out of the martian.Do i have to get the scan of him wading throught the flamethrower or do you comprehend this now?
Energy projection doesn't mean shit to Jonn as he posseses his phasing ability,but Jonn isn't exactly a slouch.He blew the Ray and Firestorm on there asses whilst he created a chasm in the ground,and he did this.
http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u131/jason-todd/Jimscomic101.jpg
That in no way is meant to indicate that Jonn has better energy projection,just that he is no slouch,though it would be nice for Apocs supporters to show a more impressive display.
Jonns speed levels are beyond Apocs ken.He has moved across the city faster than the time it took a bullet to hit a man 5-foot away.He flew around the world in the time it took a person to draw breath,he fought in a battle of speed against the flash and was stalemating him,He's been clocked at mach 11 and he flew all around the JLA watchtower in the time it took an energy blast to hit GL....when he was 6-foot away from it.
Apoc may be able to amp himself up to that speed.but when will he have the time?If Jonn is blitzing him left right and centre then Apoc won't be able to amp.Another swing and a miss tricker darling.
Telepathy?Jonn mind-raped the Spectre.He has read the minds of every person on earth 3 times,He has read the mind of Dr Destiny when he gaied Omnipotence,and when another being gained omnipotence Jonn cast an illusion in his mind WHILE giving Flash X-ray vision with his TP,He was able to override 831st century Telepath devices with his even after being inactive for thousand of years,he was able to resist the combined telepathy of hundreds of white martians all at once,and he has linked the minds of the JLA from whole other solar systems.
Wanna know what the real kicker was?Jonn did all that,whilst Dampening the TP of the Key,guess what?the Keys TP was so strong he could read and hear the minds of 8 million people all at once.
What does this all lead to?Apoc gets WTF pwned,accept it,move on and prey that Apoc gets some serious upgrades.
