Apocalypse vs. Martian Manhunter

Originally posted by bigbran
After Apocalypse spends his time reaching Manhunter's level, Manhunter then sucks in mass.

Then it will take even more time.

What makes you think it will take time?

Originally posted by bigbran

Also, Manhunter's TP is WAAAAY higher than Apoc's... mindrape, for the win?

Before I say anything....

How powerful is MM's TP?

Originally posted by bigbran

I'm not the one trying to give Apocalypse the ability to go through walls and attacks.

Also, Apocalypse shouldn't be able to do it, because he hasn't? You know?

Also, Manhunter is an alien, and...
Well, there is also no evidence that Apoc can do it.

*sigh*

Apoc can already control his own molecules, and he would just have to alter his molecular density to become incorporeal and thus be able to pass through solid objects.

Also, according to the official marvel site:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_%28En_Sabah_Nur%29
"Apocalypse's full extent of powers remain to be revealed, especially to the extent of which powers have since been augmented by alien technology. Apocalypse claims to have control of his body on the molecular level-- allowing him to shape change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and to be virtually immune to the effects of age. Apocalypse can also increase his strength to levels surpassing that of the Hulk, grow to giant sizes, and gain the power of flight, sometimes through turning his arms into wings or jets. Apocalypse can also transform himself into a variety of human disguises."

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
What makes you think it will take time?

Manhunter could make himself huge (like in the scans) in the time it takes for Apoc to reach his level.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
Before I say anything....

How powerful is MM's TP?

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
*sigh*

Apoc can already control his own molecules, and he would just have to alter his molecular density to become incorporeal and thus be able to pass through solid objects.

Also, according to the official marvel site:
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Apocalypse_%28En_Sabah_Nur%29
"Apocalypse's full extent of powers remain to be revealed, especially to the extent of which powers have since been augmented by alien technology. Apocalypse claims to have control of his body on the molecular level-- allowing him to shape change and elongate with virtually unlimited range, to [B]increase density and allow his body to mimic metals and armors, to teleport, and to be virtually immune to the effects of age. Apocalypse can also increase his strength to levels surpassing that of the Hulk, grow to giant sizes, and gain the power of flight, sometimes through turning his arms into wings or jets. Apocalypse can also transform himself into a variety of human disguises." [/B]

He has never done it... 😐

Bios? Based off of bios, Apoc can do any feat imaginable (I'm serious...).
Ya... good evidence...

Originally posted by bigbran
He has never done it... 😐

But theoretically, he should be able to do it.

Like I said:

Apoc can already control his own molecules, and he would just have to alter his molecular density to become incorporeal and thus be able to pass through solid objects.

It's within his powerset to do so.

What's so hard to understand? Scans are not always the answerer.

Saying "He has never done it, so he can't do it." is just ignorance.

Writers just doesn't play around with his powers, as much as they should.

Anyway MM mind rapes Apoc then.

Without TP, it could probably be a stalemate.

From what I saw till now I would say stalemate 😉. I know how powerful MM is and saw some good things from Apoc. I always though that MM would have the edge in an combat now I think it would be a draw. I will do some researches 😉.

Originally posted by Evil_Ash
But theoretically, he should be able to do it.

Like I said:

It's within his powerset to do so.

What's so hard to understand? Scans are not always the answerer.

Saying "He has never done it, so he can't do it." is just ignorance.

Writers just doesn't play around with his powers, as much as they should.

Anyway MM mind rapes Apoc then.

Him not going intangible is just pis then?

You know, if he has never went intangible EVER, in his career, why exactly is it being brought up here?
What tells me that Apocalypse will do it?

Hell, use all the theories you can, but, WHY would he do it?

There isn't even evidence that he can do it, but yet, he will do it here?

"Writers just doesn't play around with his powers, as much as they should."
😐

They have him turn his mid section into a knife...
They have him shift his body around to avoid an attack...
They have him grow...
They have him turn his hand into a gun...
They have him use telepathy...
They have him turn into a plane...
They have him turn into like a giant sheet...
They turn his hand into a knife...
Etc...

But they don't play around with his powers as often as they should?

At least for MM, we are bringing up consistent powers, not inconsistent, not even theoreticle power...

Also, MM is from a different company, you think that might have to do with different abilities?
MM is of a different race, you think that might have to do with different abilities?
MM's powers are unique to him, you think that might have to do with different abilities?

Just because Apocalypse's powers might be the same, doesn't mean that he should have the same exact powers... that's speculating.

Also, Thanos has a complete control over his molecular structure too, but I don't see him transforming into things.

Originally posted by bigbran
You know, if he has never went intangible EVER, in his career, why exactly is it being brought up here?

What tells me that Apocalypse will do it?

Hell, use all the theories you can, but, WHY would he do it?

There isn't even evidence that he can do it, but yet, he will do it here?

Because writers haven't figured that out yet. 😏

Originally posted by bigbran
Also, Thanos has a complete control over his molecular structure too, but I don't see him transforming into things.

Because he doesn't have to. 😉

I defy Martian to prove J'onn has molecular control. I don't think he does.He's been affected by poisons, drugs, physical assault. Apocalypse has far greater control of his body and J'onn has never demostrated Apocalypse' level of control over his body or abilities.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I defy Martian to prove J'onn has molecular control. I don't think he does.He's been affected by poisons, drugs, physical assault. Apocalypse has far greater control of his body and J'onn has never demostrated Apocalypse' level of control over his body or abilities.

Oh really?

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow11ch.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow28mx.jpg

If that doesn't prove it,here he is turning into a behemoth.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0061ys9wr.jpg

Here he makes armour out of his own flesh.

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=049vf.jpg

That good enough?

pardon for speaking outta turn Lord ApocaLypse, rumours are takin root you use technology as a Crutch.

not that there's anything wrong with that

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Oh really?

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow11ch.jpg
http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=regrow28mx.jpg

If that doesn't prove it,here he is turning into a behemoth.

http://img98.imageshack.us/my.php?image=jonn0061ys9wr.jpg

Here he makes armour out of his own flesh.

http://img115.imageshack.us/my.php?image=049vf.jpg

That good enough?

None of that is molecular control. It's shape shifting. He has great control over his body, but none of that is molecular control. As evidenced when prometheus tagged him with the drug that messed up his body control. If he had molecular control, that never would have affected him. So stop bullshitting.

Edit: shiv, I'll let Apoc himself answer that one later.

He was weakened by fire. He lost his powers all first before Prometheus fired poison into him. Get ur facts straight. So of course he was weakened. Thats like shooting Supes when hes next to Green K. Oh and he absorbed matter from the Earth and added it to him. IT looks green like him and everything If that isn't total molecular control i don't know what is.

It's nowhere near Apocalypse's control. He may have molecular control, but not on Apoc's level and the examples that were cited were dubious.

APOC turns his hands into flamethrowers...or mindrape

MM isn't weak to fire at all anymore. And I haven't seen anything to put him above MM molecular wise. Doesn't matter cause that really won't help Apoc. MM is faster, better telepathy, he's basically untouchable, he can become invisible, he's Superman level strength, he's incredibly smart. I'd say he wins.

Originally posted by Superherovandal
MM isn't weak to fire at all anymore. And I haven't seen anything to put him above MM molecular wise. Doesn't matter cause that really won't help Apoc. MM is faster, better telepathy, he's basically untouchable, he can become invisible, he's Superman level strength, he's incredibly smart. I'd say he wins.

LIES!!!

your nuts!!

APOC can speedblitz
APOC mindraped prof X(who mindraped Galactus)
APOC is is a master of genetics( he messes with dna..i never saw Jonn mess with dna)

Apoc doesn't have speed. he never mindraped Xavier ever and he never mindraped Galactus He only passed Galactuses defenses with the help of an entire planet's population. and being a master of genetic is useless. wow well Jonn is a master tactitian, detective, and technology.did u see all the stuff he was doing as fernus. it's not like fernus is smarter than j'onn. He was incredibly smart.He's like batman but with all those powers.

The genetics thing means Apoc may be able to figure a weakness in J'onn's physiology. And Apoc has mindraped Xavier, read the respect thread. physically, J'onn's screwed because of apoc's molecular control and any physical super power thing, not to mention the amping. I definitely concede the TP advantage. but not the endurance or the others.

TricksterPriest you are makig Appoc to be a Darkseid level molecular
Manipulater and he is not.
How is appoc going to counter MM energy projection
Physically MM is a superman/CM level being it is Appoc who is screw

The only genetic weakness he ever had was fire and that's gone. and MM can amp as well. He's just never shown that way whenever Supes is in the same book. All he has to do is absorb matter into himself and he's instantly wayyy more powerful. He's definitely faster than Apoc. and when has Apoc ever dealt with alien genetics with a being as advanced as J'onn J'onzz? The thing is Apoc may potentially be stronger but he's dealing with someone who's untouchable by all of his attacks. and is faster and could probably mindrape him.

Apoc would crush Martian Manhunter. MM is DC's version of Thor in the MU. Overrated, underpowered and always pwnd! Pity.