Storm vs Polaris

Started by 2damnloud37 pages

Pure brilliance.

".....To me, superheroes are a natural evolution of the more ancient archetypes from religion, mythology and nature, tailored for the post-industrial period. In this interpretation, comics are a way for people to connect and identify with these powerful subconscious elements in an easily digestible format. Storm is a rare example of the modern echoing, with very little distortion, the Goddess of olde. The Goddess as Nut, ancient Kemetic (Egypt's real name) personification of the heavens; as Oya, Yoruba's orisha of lightning, storms, fire, the marketplace, violent change and leadership; as Yemaya, Yoruban orisha of the ocean and water, mother of us all; even the Goddess as Kali, Dravidian goddess of creative destruction, black and unyielding, her bare breasts adorned with the skulls of her enemies, dancing over even the prone body of her consort, Shiva. Storm's grace, power, majesty, beauty, and even her domineering warrior spirit are all classical aspects of the Goddess. Let us all be reminded that God as the Mother predates God as the Father. Furthermore, Storm being of African origin, even coming from the original tribe of man, nestled in the Rift Valley, humanity's cradle, makes her an extraordinarily powerful archetype. When dealing at this level of the unconscious, many are unable to connect, and thus, they deride or otherwise repress this aspect of themSELF!! Would you rather identify with a weak, neurotic white American male, or a beautiful, powerful, whole in mind and spirit black African woman? Obviously, it is very difficult for many to reconnect with this aspect that has been systematically repressed in the popular culture for thousands of years, but one would do well to push past those barriers and appreciate the divine inside, as mirrored by the amazing creation, Storm."

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Would you rather identify with a weak, neurotic white American male, or a beautiful, powerful, whole in mind and spirit black African woman?

😐

Racist, sexist, elitist, nationalistic, ignorant.

💃 💃 💃 You fail!

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😐

Racist, sexist, elitist, nationalistic, ignorant.

💃 💃 💃 You fail!

That person didn't mean it 🙄

Originally posted by 2damnloud
That person didn't mean it 🙄

😘 Racist. Thats the only reason you're so obssessed with Storm.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
😘 Racist. Thats the only reason you're so obssessed with Storm.

Not my words.

I'm mainly enthraled with the Goddess parallels.

Sorry, you have no case here. 🙄

I think I can interpret what they mean in context, though.

I will not attempt to openly interpret it since again, these are not my words, and I don't want to misrepresent them.

For now, it is what it is.

^

😘 Grasping.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
^

😘 Grasping.

Take it how you want 😎

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
you're obssessed with Storm.
Originally posted by 2damnloud

I'm mainly enthraled with the Goddess parallels.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
sex
Originally posted by 2damnloud
it is what it is.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
droolio Grasping.
Originally posted by 2damnloud
you want 😎

^🙄

I think I relate to the Spider-man-like character they throw in there as the "purple stuff" to Storm's Sunny Delight. I was the geeky outcast as well, although now that's not so much a problem, and those are some cool spidey powers, Spidey. And my "repressed" side would probably go right for Doom, Sinestro, or maybe... Firelord? I really don't know the extent of his powers but I'd love to have flames so badass that they stay alit in space and underwater.

My repressed side could beat that author's repressed side.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, I'm wondering that myself. There is maybe...err...no people in comic book forums who are racist or sexist? I haven't met one.

And how about that Trickster's comment? I bet five bucks it's from Black Panther thread. Everybody post stuff like that there because of Hudlin. They don't MEAN it, you overreacting jackasses. And you wouldn't even have trouble finding proof that Hudlin is a big-time racist. [b]I'm black and I have made jokes like that about Hudlin's Black Panther.

🤨 [/B]

Look, I don't care the color is of you or anybody else, racist comments like that should not be made. That said, you can say what you want about Hudlin, but I have NEVER read anything of him making racist comments against whites. For heaven's sake, one of you guys even posted on another board last year that you wished a terrorist would attack and this time the plane crashed into his home and killed him, his wife and children. That is TOO FAR. When I saw that comment made and nobody there said anything about it, I chose not to join that board. Hudlin has NEVER made any comment like that against ANYBODY. You may argue that he has downplayed some caucasion characters in some issues (again, I pretty much stick with the X-Men and have read some Avengers because I like Sersi, so I cannot debate here so much) , however, I see a double-standard here. Scott Lobdell devalued Storm a great deal as a character. Yet, you guys like to ignore the PIS rule of the board and bring up Lobdell issues where she is written weaker than canon 2Loud or I present to show how powerful she is. He constantly did this with Storm and she is the only character he did it with. I could argue that he is racist. Sure, he may have been good to Bishop, but Bishop is a character that many of the X-Men can beat. He's no threat to anybody. I could argue with STorm that she was devalued maybe because he had a hard time having her as the most powerful member of the team. Though I have no interest in entertaining this kind of discussion, I could argue this MUCH better than you guys can with your Hudlin stuff. That said, I have seen more racism from you guys than what you guys are going on about with Hudlin with the kinds of comments Trickster made. Why are't you guys talking about Lobdell and running him down for what he did? Why do you use the PIS issues he wrote to break the forum rules and use PIS to devalue the Storm character when other issues that show Storm at higher power levels, etc have already been scanned and/or alluded to in threads?

Oh yeah, just because you are black does not make it okay for you to make racist comments about blacks. I am black too and I don't care to read this kind of garbage and I should not have to. I believe in self-respect and dignitity. This kind of trash should not be tolerated and the mods should really make a stand on this and say that this board does not condone these kinds of comments in any context. I don't care if a person *claims* that he/she did not "mean" it.

This is not the first time either. On the last Storm/Polaris thread, there was a guy who made another racist comment against me because I thought Storm could beat Polaris. That guy introduced a racist element in that thread where it was TOTALLY unwarranted and it basically killed the thread. You guys need to grow up.

What 2Loud was getting at with his comment is the reality on this board that there is a HUGE double-standard for Storm. Given racist comments that some have made on here against blacks, he was thinking that this is probably the reason some of you are against the character being at a certain power level. In other words, she's okay as long as she "doesn't rise above her ranks." I agree with him. You guys see these kinds of stupid comments made and just "lol". Though some of you may not make them personally, you sit there and go with the flow and not say anything which means that you condone it. This would lead some to believe that you are probably of a like mindset, but just don't care to voice it. Hence its no problem for you for others to post it. I think some of you intentionally devalue the character and hold the double-standards because for these reasons. Others, I think are just being obtuse. Some know that she is on that level, but just feel that she should not be there so they ignore the canon that puts her there and choose to go with the weaker showing (which goes against the board rules).

Anyway, I don't care to go on about this anymore. Magneto and Polaris lost many pages ago and many threads ago. Their powers, if worked directly upon Storm, can only enhance her power as we saw in the Rougestorm arc where she absorbed the energies from the storms she created with triggered her evolution into Rougestorm. She can also choose to channel Magneto's and Polaris's energy if they hit her directly with it as she has channeled storms through her body numerous times. In all of these scenerios, she is channelling/absorbing/metabolizing the same forces that Magneto and Polaris control is greater quantities than they can produce as well as other forces in vast quantities that they cannot control.

If they try to throw metal at her, she has some great defenses against that with her winds and pressure dome. On the other hand, she is going to fight back. Her winds, which can tax Magneto's powers to the utmost, would immediately take Lorna out of the fight since anything that can strain MAgneto's powers so much is going to squash the MUCH weaker Polaris instantly. Polaris is no match for Storm's lightning alone.

If Ororo tosses those winds at MAgneto, he's not going to have power to spare to hurl metal with any great force to try and penetrate her pressure dome. (Even if he did not have to divert so much power and concentration to withstand her winds, it is still doubtful that he can hurl anything with enough force to puncture her dome. For her to smash through that landform like that meant that her dome had to survive a high velocity impact with it. That dome did it easily. This is assuming that he can push anything through the winds she would be generating.)

This fight is ridiculous. Magneto only has a shot if PIS is used against STorm.

^ Great post.

Yep, the quote I posted was SPOT ON!

Some even become so ENRAGED on here😆

The truth is the light.

Storm vs. Polaris

Storm 9/10 via insta-hydrogen bomb, overloading her, smoothering her, flash freezing her, breaking her shield with hypersonic winds, totally mucking up her electromagnetic fields with her supeior control of electrons and atoms, opening the magnetosphere and filtering interstellar radiation down and beaming it at her, paralyzing her by mucking up her electrical impulses etc. etc.

Originally posted by Rutog98
That said, you can say what you want about Hudlin, but I have NEVER read anything of him making racist comments against whites.

Execept for that time he said that he would sleep better if only the chosen people existed.

Just wondering. I know why I love and read Black Panther. My question is: what did the people who hate Hudlin's work like about the Black Panther initially? Why were you guys reading Black Panther?

Also, many of the Storm Vs. Polaris arguments on this thread are a "non-issue".
Seeing as how this fight has already taken place, showed Storm winning, and how.

The reason Maggs is debatable is because, in print, he stated that Storm "could have/ would have" bested him if not for "I won't kill" thing.

Originally posted by Rutog98
Look, I don't care the color is of you or anybody else, racist comments like that should not be made. That said, you can say what you want about Hudlin, but I have NEVER read anything of him making racist comments against whites. For heaven's sake, one of you guys even posted on another board last year that you wished a terrorist would attack and this time the plane crashed into his home and killed him, his wife and children. That is TOO FAR. When I saw that comment made and nobody there said anything about it, I chose not to join that board. Hudlin has NEVER made any comment like that against ANYBODY. You may argue that he has downplayed some caucasion characters in some issues (again, I pretty much stick with the X-Men and have read some Avengers because I like Sersi, so I cannot debate here so much) , however, I see a double-standard here. Scott Lobdell devalued Storm a great deal as a character. Yet, you guys like to ignore the PIS rule of the board and bring up Lobdell issues where she is written weaker than canon 2Loud or I present to show how powerful she is. He constantly did this with Storm and she is the only character he did it with. I could argue that he is racist. Sure, he may have been good to Bishop, but Bishop is a character that many of the X-Men can beat. He's no threat to anybody. I could argue with STorm that she was devalued maybe because he had a hard time having her as the most powerful member of the team. Though I have no interest in entertaining this kind of discussion, I could argue this MUCH better than you guys can with your Hudlin stuff. That said, I have seen more racism from you guys than what you guys are going on about with Hudlin with the kinds of comments Trickster made. Why are't you guys talking about Lobdell and running him down for what he did? Why do you use the PIS issues he wrote to break the forum rules and use PIS to devalue the Storm character when other issues that show Storm at higher power levels, etc have already been scanned and/or alluded to in threads?

Oh yeah, just because you are black does not make it okay for you to make racist comments about blacks. I am black too and I don't care to read this kind of garbage and I should not have to. I believe in self-respect and dignitity. This kind of trash should not be tolerated and the mods should really make a stand on this and say that this board does not condone these kinds of comments in any context. I don't care if a person *claims* that he/she did not "mean" it.

This is not the first time either. On the last Storm/Polaris thread, there was a guy who made another racist comment against me because I thought Storm could beat Polaris. That guy introduced a racist element in that thread where it was TOTALLY unwarranted and it basically killed the thread. You guys need to grow up.

What 2Loud was getting at with his comment is the reality on this board that there is a HUGE double-standard for Storm. Given racist comments that some have made on here against blacks, he was thinking that this is probably the reason some of you are against the character being at a certain power level. In other words, she's okay as long as she "doesn't rise above her ranks." I agree with him. You guys see these kinds of stupid comments made and just "lol". Though some of you may not make them personally, you sit there and go with the flow and not say anything which means that you condone it. This would lead some to believe that you are probably of a like mindset, but just don't care to voice it. Hence its no problem for you for others to post it. I think some of you intentionally devalue the character and hold the double-standards because for these reasons. Others, I think are just being obtuse. Some know that she is on that level, but just feel that she should not be there so they ignore the canon that puts her there and choose to go with the weaker showing (which goes against the board rules).

Anyway, I don't care to go on about this anymore. Magneto and Polaris lost many pages ago and many threads ago. Their powers, if worked directly upon Storm, can only enhance her power as we saw in the Rougestorm arc where she absorbed the energies from the storms she created with triggered her evolution into Rougestorm. She can also choose to channel Magneto's and Polaris's energy if they hit her directly with it as she has channeled storms through her body numerous times. In all of these scenerios, she is channelling/absorbing/metabolizing the same forces that Magneto and Polaris control is greater quantities than they can produce as well as other forces in vast quantities that they cannot control.

If they try to throw metal at her, she has some great defenses against that with her winds and pressure dome. On the other hand, she is going to fight back. Her winds, which can tax Magneto's powers to the utmost, would immediately take Lorna out of the fight since anything that can strain MAgneto's powers so much is going to squash the MUCH weaker Polaris instantly. Polaris is no match for Storm's lightning alone.

If Ororo tosses those winds at MAgneto, he's not going to have power to spare to hurl metal with any great force to try and penetrate her pressure dome. (Even if he did not have to divert so much power and concentration to withstand her winds, it is still doubtful that he can hurl anything with enough force to puncture her dome. For her to smash through that landform like that meant that her dome had to survive a high velocity impact with it. That dome did it easily. This is assuming that he can push anything through the winds she would be generating.)

This fight is ridiculous. Magneto only has a shot if PIS is used against STorm.

Oh my lord...

Anyone who sees this as a RACE issue is retarted. These are god damn comic book characters. Storm isnt a black woman, shes a ****ing cartoon!!!!!!!! She is not real.

I agree that the comments about the color of the pencils they use on storm are unnessecary and should be left out of the thread but you dont realize that people usually dont mean what they say. There is no self hatred or racism on these forums. (Not that I know of anyway) We all need to poke fun at our selves once in a while.

As for the actual fight taking place...

Instant H-bomb???? NOTHING instant about it, and we dont even know if she can do it anyway.

Overloading her... with what chocolate pudding? Yeah she could zap her but she wont get the opportunity.

Smothering her... I assume you mean some pressure dome well polaris has something called a forcefield which storm is not getting by.

Hypersonic winds... 😱 This ones my favorite. Storm winds have never on panel gone past the normal earth winds she can top around 350 mph.

Superior control over electrons and atoms... Umm what issue did storm say she had superior control over such things????

Opening the magnetosphere and so on... Yeah storm can try to do that and while she does she gets impaled.

Electrical impulses are the result of Na+ and K+ moving in and out through the cell membrane of an axon storm has no control over this.....

Polaris wins via iron/blood trick.

Originally posted by phillipan
Oh my lord...

Anyone who sees this as a RACE issue is retarted. These are god damn comic book characters. Storm isnt a black woman, shes a ****ing cartoon!!!!!!!! She is not real.

I agree that the comments about the color of the pencils they use on storm are unnessecary and should be left out of the thread but you dont realize that people usually dont mean what they say. There is no self hatred or racism on these forums. (Not that I know of anyway) We all need to poke fun at our selves once in a while.

As for the actual fight taking place...

Instant H-bomb???? NOTHING instant about it, and we dont even know if she can do it anyway.

Overloading her... with what chocolate pudding? Yeah she could zap her but she wont get the opportunity.

Smothering her... I assume you mean some pressure dome well polaris has something called a forcefield which storm is not getting by.

Hypersonic winds... 😱 This ones my favorite. Storm winds have never on panel gone past the normal earth winds she can top around 350 mph.

Superior control over electrons and atoms... Umm what issue did storm say she had superior control over such things????

Opening the magnetosphere and so on... Yeah storm can try to do that and while she does she gets impaled.

Electrical impulses are the result of Na+ and K+ moving in and out through the cell membrane of an axon storm has no control over this.....

Polaris wins via iron/blood trick.

Yea, all that despite Storm OWNING her on panel. 😆

When it comes down to Storm vs. Magneto, on panel displays are always brought up to state that he can win, even though she also has just as much chance of winning completely bloodlusted since she holds back as state by MAGNETO.

How come on panel confrontations mean so much with regard to Storm/Magneto, yet are completely disregarded when it comes to Storm/Polaris??? Hmmmmmm 😆

Yep, there's something more here. That quote is starting ring true more and more.

Anyway.....

Storm can break the rules, so the wind moves as fast as she wants it to. All there needs to be is a big enough pressure differential, Storm can definitely make that happen as it is shown she can draw heat directly from the Earth itself.

Anyone who can psionically cammand atoms in the vacuum of space or see electrons in EVERY piece of matter and psionically controls the weather and other weather patterns in this way by seeing the very AIR down to it's component parts>>>>>>>>>Fields which are created by said electrons.

She can even see electrical impulses in the Human body. I wonder if she can psionically control those too. It did say she can bend these forces to her will. You never know. A fully bloodlusted Storm may very well be able to. 😈 She saw that thicket of cabling and reached right out and TOUCHED it through wall, wire insulation and everything.

Storm has a very very VERY unique form of "telekenesis".

She psionically manipulates the forces of nature right down to their component parts. She can see the very AIR and water as patterns of energy that she can psionically control.

She may very well just rob the Magnetic field of Electrons, or just absorb and metabolize the energy, then use air attacks to suffocate Polaris.

Or she could just STRIKE HER with a positive bolt of lightining till she explodes like Raiden's fatality on MK like she did ON PANEL.

Of course that's disregarded because........🙄

😆

Originally posted by BlueDMighty
Just wondering. I know why I love and read Black Panther. My question is: what did the people who hate Hudlin's work like about the Black Panther initially? Why were you guys reading Black Panther?

Hmm... I used to like Black Panther because of his aura in the scans I saw of him. Then I saw one of him bitching about the fuel emissions of an American car and that kind of dumped him in the crybaby bin for me.

Originally posted by phillipan

Hypersonic winds... 😱 This ones my favorite. Storm winds have never on panel gone past the normal earth winds she can top around 350 mph.

This is a joke. The lady has redirected Sienna Blaze, lifted a sky scraper and taxed Magneto's powers to the utmost with her winds. She has generated wind forces FAR greater than 350 mph. Heck, in "Schism", CC posted on the internet years ago that STorm could have hurled that steel spear at Emma at better than the speed of sound (sound is 770 mph).

Instead of trying to nail down her fastest wind speed, you have to consider the feats.

Originally posted by Rutog98
This is a joke. The lady has redirected Sienna Blaze, lifted a sky scraper and taxed Magneto's powers to the utmost with her winds. She has generated wind forces FAR greater than 350 mph. Heck, in "Schism", CC posted on the internet years ago that STorm could have hurled that steel spear at Emma at better than the speed of sound (sound is 770 mph).

Instead of trying to nail down her fastest wind speed, you have to consider the feats.

Namor can only fly at 32 x the speed of Sound because of one feat that is completely unscrutinized. No make shift charts and graphs, no false analogies, logical fallacies or nothing.

The same does not hold true for Storm, obviously.

I wonder why...... 😕

Could it be.......??? 🙄

No, it can't be 😂

Originally posted by 2damnloud
Yea, all that despite Storm OWNING her on panel. 😆

When it comes down to Storm vs. Magneto, on panel displays are always brought up to state that he can win, even though she also has just as much chance of winning completely bloodlusted since she holds back as state by MAGNETO.

How come on panel confrontations mean so much with regard to Storm/Magneto, yet are completely disregarded when it comes to Storm/Polaris??? Hmmmmmm 😆

Yep, there's something more here. That quote is starting ring true more and more.

Anyway.....

Storm can break the rules, so the wind moves as fast as she wants it to. All there needs to be is a big enough pressure differential, Storm can definitely make that happen as it is shown she can draw heat directly from the Earth itself.

Anyone who can psionically cammand atoms in the vacuum of space or see electrons in EVERY piece of matter and psionically controls the weather and other weather patterns in this way by seeing the very AIR down to it's component parts>>>>>>>>>Fields which are created by said electrons.

She can even see electrical impulses in the Human body. I wonder if she can psionically control those too. It did say she can bend these forces to her will. You never know. A fully bloodlusted Storm may very well be able to. 😈 She saw that thicket of cabling and reached right out and TOUCHED it through wall, wire insulation and everything.

Storm has a very very VERY unique form of "telekenesis".

She psionically manipulates the forces of nature right down to their component parts. She can see the very AIR and water as patterns of energy that she can psionically control.

She may very well just rob the Magnetic field of Electrons, or just absorb and metabolize the energy, then use air attacks to suffocate Polaris.

Or she could just STRIKE HER with a positive bolt of lightining till she explodes like Raiden's fatality on MK like she did ON PANEL.

Of course that's disregarded because........🙄

😆

When in comes to Storm vs Magneto on panel confrontations arent all thats taken into consideration but rather the characters powersets and Magneto has demostrated on average and a regular basis to be way above storm.

Polaris on the otherhand is shown to be around Storms level but Polaris has the ability to control storms blood flow and storm has no defense against that.

Storm cant control human impulses. You hear the word electrical and youre like Oh my gosh I bet storm can control it she sooo cool.
She is no electro in the electricty department. Impulses are electrochemical reactions storm has no control over them.

As for her winds you really cant claim that she can make winds greater than those capable on earth because it never explicitly said she could. She has only one instance contradicting that and even then the winds were no where near strong enough to break an electromagnetic shield.