Differentiating between PIS and 'IDLI,IDH'

I didn't know how to abbreviate it, so let me explain;

I want to discuss the difference between PIS, plot induced stupidity, and the concept of 'I don't like it, it didn't happen.'

When do we take either into account? Honestly?

Because, to me, PIS is more along the lines of happening along a plot device of some kind. Finding that vacuum, fire hydrant, or stumbling into a 'sonic guns R us' store.

Alternatively, PIS involves physics oft times. Hercules and the Hulk slug it out? Well, they each punch with thousands of tons of force, and neither weighs (comparatively) that much. So they should go flying, right? Well, that'd make for a boring fight, if they had to make a thirteen mile hike back to the battleground after each blow.

Particularly high or low showings? Not really plot induced stupidity, not in my opinion. Saying that Spiderman taking out a high level brick is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Saying Wolverine hanging with some of the people he, quote unquote 'Shouldn't' is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

😬. Maybe I'm way off base. Feel free to correct me all you please...and...

Discuss. 🙂.

I call up my first witness to the stand. Apocalypse, have you been afflicted by PIS? apocalypse : "I have been afflicted by PIS, but it's also jobbing. I can defeat the high evolutionary, manhandle the hulk, wreck the xmen, beat down Ikaris easily, YET I HAVE TO RUN AWAY FROM A TABLE THROWN BY NAMOR!? APOCALYPSE SHALL NOT STAND FOR THIS!"

Next witness will be: Super-Adaptoid.

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't know how to abbreviate it, so let me explain;

I want to discuss the difference between PIS, plot induced stupidity, and the concept of 'I don't like it, it didn't happen.'

When do we take either into account? Honestly?

Because, to me, PIS is more along the lines of happening along a plot device of some kind. Finding that vacuum, fire hydrant, or stumbling into a 'sonic guns R us' store.

Alternatively, PIS involves physics oft times. Hercules and the Hulk slug it out? Well, they each punch with thousands of tons of force, and neither weighs (comparatively) that much. So they should go flying, right? Well, that'd make for a boring fight, if they had to make a thirteen mile hike back to the battleground after each blow.

Particularly high or low showings? Not really plot induced stupidity, not in my opinion. Saying that Spiderman taking out a high level brick is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Saying Wolverine hanging with some of the people he, quote unquote 'Shouldn't' is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

😬. Maybe I'm way off base. Feel free to correct me all you please...and...

Discuss. 🙂.

PIS is when characters that normally have a lot more abilities and or force to exert do not. Superman's speed come to mind. Thor's offensive and exotic powers not being used. A writer dumbs down a characters abilities for sake of the plot

Plot devies are what your talking about. These devices that writers place in enviroments that normally aren't woth the characters for sake of plot. This like a fire hydrant Spiderman finds to beat sandman.

Generally a lot of people simply throw both terms as PIS which I do as well saves on the space of writing that and I'm lazy 😛

Also with the idea that beings like Hulk and Hec don't go flying is simple. You see you muscles exert force and you have muscles all around your body. Now when when you get punched in the chest your muscles are going to exert force as well tightening. So then not only is the force enacted upon you trying to overcome inertia but also the force that your body is giving off.

The best example I can think of for this is say you lift 250 pounds. Now take a 250 pund fat guy and push them. Now take a 250 pound guy of solid musle and hit them and you'll notice that the muscle guy won't go back as far if at all while the fat guy will probably fall on his back.

What's the accurate difference between PIS & A Plot device? I've been wondering this for a while now. People apparently have differing concepts about those 2 and often mix them up. Sorry if this a little offtopic 🙂

Originally posted by Jyppe
What's the accurate difference between PIS & A Plot device? I've been wondering this for a while now. People apparently have differing concepts about those 2 and often mix them up. Sorry if this a little offtopic 🙂

PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity): When a writer lowers characters abilities for sake of making the plot.

EX) Superman not using his speed. Thor not using his offensive and exotic powers to their fullest.

Plot Deive: Are devices writers place in the story to help a character win even though they have no business winning.

EX) Spiderman using a fire hydrant to beat Sandman. Reed using the Ultimate Nullifier.

So the difference is one has to do with a characters ability to use their powers while another deals with items placed in the comic even the playing field.

Both serve the same person make it so the plot can be more interesting and even.

Originally posted by Newjak
Did I not just point out the difference above 😛

PIS(Plot Induced Stupidity): When a writer lowers characters abilities for sake of making the plot.

EX) Superman not using his speed. Thor not using his offensive and exotic powers to their fullest.

Plot Deive: Are devices writers place in the story to help a character win even though they have no business winning.

EX) Spiderman using a fire hydrant to beat Sandman. Reed using the Ultimate Nullifier.

So the difference is one has to do with a characters ability to use their powers while another deals with items placed in the comic even the playing field.

Both serve the same person make it so the plot can be more interesting and even.

That's exactly how I'd describe them. But Is there a difference between jobbing & PIS?

Originally posted by Jyppe
That's exactly how I'd describe them. But Is there a difference between jobbing & PIS?

This is the only difference I can think off.

Jobbing is solely lowering the person to another's level.

PIS is kind of a mutual thing most of the time. Certain characters powers get upgraded some while the other person still gets lowered.

So Jobbing is when one person gets completely lowered.

PIS the cahracters most of the time will meet in the middle ground.

That is the best I can come up with. 😬

Wouldn't jobbing be more CIS then PIS?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wouldn't jobbing be more CIS then PIS?

that could be true. Some character like say, Rhino, are called jobbers, when in reality they're the poster child for CIS. It depends on the character. If we start claiming jobbing and CIS are the same thing, it's gonna get weird. 😖

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
that could be true. Some character like say, Rhino, are called jobbers, when in reality they're the poster child for CIS. It depends on the character. If we start claiming jobbing and CIS are the same thing, it's gonna get weird. 😖

But this doesn't get at the core of the question.

How often on this forum do we witness people throw around the term "PIS," simply because something happened and they believe that it shouldn't have?

How often does PIS really mean "I don't like it"?

Originally posted by Soljer
But this doesn't get at the core of the question.

How often on this forum do we witness people throw around the term "PIS," simply because something happened and they believe that it shouldn't have?

How often does PIS really mean "I don't like it"?

Wouldn't it depend on the number of times that particular feat has been demonstrated by the character in question? If Wolverine suddenly demonstrated the ability to fly in a particular comic I'd be tempted to ignore it and consider it a once of feat unless this ability was followed up on. I suppose it'd depend on how radical the feat is compared to the norm of the character in question.

Originally posted by Soljer
But this doesn't get at the core of the question.

How often on this forum do we witness people throw around the term "PIS," simply because something happened and they believe that it shouldn't have?

How often does PIS really mean "I don't like it"?

every time

there is no objective mechanism for determining valid feats

PIS just refers to instances where something goes against the general consensus of what should have happened. Basically, PIS = what most people say "IHLI, IDH" to

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wouldn't jobbing be more CIS then PIS?

CIS : Pyro getting punked by human torch , somehow not realizing he CONTROLS FIRE.

PIS : "Insta-one-weakness-anite"

Jobbing - Spiderman punching out Reed Richards in Civil War , no explanation , no understanding. Just basically making a character a higher level for no particular reason.

Originally posted by grey fox
Not really . I view them as such.

CIS : Pyro getting punked by human torch , somehow not realizing he CONTROLS FIRE.

PIS : "Insta-one-weakness-anite"

Jobbing - Spiderman punching out Reed Richards in Civil War , no explanation , no understanding. Just basically making a character a higher level for no particular reason.

Best definitions yet. 👆

CIS - the character is just stupid or doesn't have the personality to do certain things.

PIS - a character accomplishes something far beyond his/her/its powers in order to further the plot or end the story.

Jobbing - technicaly this would invlove an intentional loss but around here it seems to mean any case where a character fails to fight properly.

Plot Device - an artifact, power or strategy that allows a character to win against impossible odds. Especially if hastily created, unexplained, possesing powers that change without explanation or not in the character's standard equipment.

I Didn't Like It, It Didn't Happen - 😬 basicly any of the above except CIS.

Originally posted by Soljer
I didn't know how to abbreviate it, so let me explain;

I want to discuss the difference between PIS, plot induced stupidity, and the concept of 'I don't like it, it didn't happen.'

When do we take either into account? Honestly?

Because, to me, PIS is more along the lines of happening along a plot device of some kind. Finding that vacuum, fire hydrant, or stumbling into a 'sonic guns R us' store.

Alternatively, PIS involves physics oft times. Hercules and the Hulk slug it out? Well, they each punch with thousands of tons of force, and neither weighs (comparatively) that much. So they should go flying, right? Well, that'd make for a boring fight, if they had to make a thirteen mile hike back to the battleground after each blow.

Particularly high or low showings? Not really plot induced stupidity, not in my opinion. Saying that Spiderman taking out a high level brick is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

Saying Wolverine hanging with some of the people he, quote unquote 'Shouldn't' is PIS is more along the lines of "I don't like it, it didn't happen."

😬. Maybe I'm way off base. Feel free to correct me all you please...and...

Discuss. 🙂.

Both are fanboy created. Writers write plots sometimes devices are needed for a good story. Call it PIS if you like. It's why versus debates are stupid.

Keep the faith 🙂

Flame On!! 🤘

Originally posted by Soljer
But this doesn't get at the core of the question.

How often on this forum do we witness people throw around the term "PIS," simply because something happened and they believe that it shouldn't have?

How often does PIS really mean "I don't like it"?

Thats how I base all my PIS claims and stuff. Its the only honestly good way to do it. Wolverine with any real common sense should be anything more than a really good street leveler. Samething with Magneto being anything more than a mid level guy.

So Common Sense has got to play a factor. You know you have to look at powersets realize what someone with said power set can truely accomplish along with the feats.

And that is where KMC is kind of falling apart. We are using to many feats without first taking a look back at the power sets using them and limits they have shown before.

Originally posted by Newjak
Samething with Magneto being anything more than a mid level guy.

What? Do you know that much about Magneto? 😕 He doesn't just control metal, you know. That seems to be the popular assumption here.