Differentiating between PIS and 'IDLI,IDH'

Originally posted by Newjak
I know to me when a character jumps around so many stories from one plot need to another I find myself not very interested in them. To me a character like that looses depth to them.

or else i'd just make sure i'd read them as much by the same writer as possible... like say, superman in action comics is written different to superman in the superman comic... i seperate them as best i can... i don't try and make them fit together, i just take them as being slightly seperate entities...

Originally posted by pr1983
or else i'd just make sure i'd read them as much by the same writer as possible... like say, superman in action comics is written different to superman in the superman comic... i seperate them as best i can... i don't try and make them fit together, i just take them as being slightly seperate entities...

And the more I see characters jump around simply to be in comics and sake of plot for awriter the less interesting they become for me.

Wolverine is another example used to be one of my favorite guys now I don't even care to read him anymore. 🙁

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree with this. Honestly Superman is one of my favorite characters around but he is possibly one of the biggest examples around of what we've been saying.

And the more I see characters jump around simply to be in comics and sake of plot for awriter the less interesting they become for me.

Wolverine is another example used to be one of my favorite guys now I don't even care to read him anymore. 🙁

i think being a superman fan is great right now... you've got donner and johns on action comics, busiek and nicieza (sp?) on superman, and grant morrison on all-star... not bad imo...

Originally posted by pr1983
i think being a superman fan is great right now... you've got donner and johns on action comics, busiek and nicieze on superman, and grant morrison on all-star... not bad imo...

And from what I hear the upcoming Chronicles of Superman Prime isn't going to be helping my thoughts on the matter.

Originally posted by Newjak
Sounds good but Superman has a long way to go before returning back to what I used to like about him.

And from what I hear the upcoming Chronicles of Superman Prime isn't going to be helping my thoughts on the matter.

see, im actually really liking superman's stuff atm... the last two years in particular for me have been pretty solid stuff, even exceptional at times... imo anyway...

Originally posted by pr1983
see, im actually really liking superman's stuff atm... the last two years in particular for me have been pretty solid stuff, even exceptional at times... imo anyway...

I personally don't like Superman being the center of everything and somehow being the be all end all of a story.

I like superman beatable but unwavering and true to his morals.

For me a character should alwaysbe what the symbolize. Superman as of recent I think has gotten away from that. With the Chronicles of Superman and the recent Crisis I don't see Superman being the ultimate useable central plot device not ending.

Originally posted by Newjak
I understand to each their own.

I personally don't like Superman being the center of everything and somehow being the be all end all of a story.

I like superman beatable but unwavering and true to his morals.

For me a character should alwaysbe what the symbolize. Superman as of recent I think has gotten away from that. With the Chronicles of Superman and the recent Crisis I don't see Superman being the ultimate useable central plot device not ending.

you mean he isnt the inspirational figure he's supposed to be?

Originally posted by pr1983
you mean he isnt the inspirational figure he's supposed to be?

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah I guess you could put it that way that pretty close.

thats actually what i like about him though... he's at the point where he's questioning whether thats his role in life, whether he's really the one that should be doing that job... i think he'll realise eventually that he is, but until then, i dont mind...

what you said about him being the be all and end all, i can understand that, especially in the wake of IC, but for me, he has to have at least as major a role in the big storylines as anyone else... he is superman after all... but yeah, having diana or hal or whoever beside him would be cool too...

Originally posted by pr1983
thats actually what i like about him though... he's at the point where he's questioning whether thats his role in life, whether he's really the one that should be doing that job... i think he'll realise eventually that he is, but until then, i dont mind...

what you said about him being the be all and end all, i can understand that, especially in the wake of IC, but for me, he has to have at least as major a role in the big storylines as anyone else... he is superman after all... but yeah, having diana or hal or whoever beside him would be cool too...

But the way I look at Superman is this he symbolizes Truth Justice and just doing the right thing because it is right.

I think in that statement alone Superman may have th emost vast potential as a character. Why because I like Superman not over the top can do anything. I like Superman the man with the power of a god exploring his more mortal side. I like him facing overwhelming odds and just never giving up even if he should loose.

And I agree Superman should always be somewhat a major figure in the big events I just kind of don't like how he ahs to be the thing through which everything is ended or the main reason why it is ended.

Originally posted by Newjak
I like Superman the man with the power of a god exploring his more mortal side. I like him facing overwhelming odds and just never giving up even if he should loose.

definately, for me, thats what makes him superman as much as anything...

And I agree Superman should always be somewhat a major figure in the big events I just kind of don't like how he ahs to be the thing through which everything is ended or the main reason why it is ended.

if the bad guy wasn't specifically related to superman, say ares or sinestro, then of course it should be that specific character that has the most effect on the ending...

but for me, these big events are exactly why superman is around... those are what he lives for, the big be all and end all battles for the fate of the world... it may sound fanboyish, but for me superman has to be there at the end, not neccessarily ending the threat, but having a big part in it...

Originally posted by pr1983
definately, for me, thats what makes him superman as much as anything...

if the bad guy wasn't specifically related to superman, say ares or sinestro, then of course it should be that specific character that has the most effect on the ending...

but for me, these big events are exactly why superman is around... those are what he lives for, the big be all and end all battles for the fate of the world... it may sound fanboyish, but for me superman has to be there at the end, not neccessarily ending the threat, but having a big part in it...

I also think Superman though shouldn't be the focal point there are just as strong people as him i nthe these fights. I think where Superman becomes Sueprman is even if he has lost and he can't win he isn't going to give up and he will keep going.

Originally posted by Newjak
I agree Superman is about the big event.

I also think Superman though shouldn't be the focal point there are just as strong people as him i nthe these fights. I think where Superman becomes Sueprman is even if he has lost and he can't win he isn't going to give up and he will keep going.

true too... i agree to a certain extent, he does a bit more favouritism than he should, but if say, the enemy was darskeid, i know people like J'onn and diana and flash are strong, but for the big titanic final battle, i'd have superman there (not necessarily alone tho), because its a personal connection... i think it really depends on the enemy and circumstances as much as anything else...

Originally posted by pr1983
true too... i agree to a certain extent, he does a bit more favouritism than he should, but if say, the enemy was darskeid, i know people like J'onn and diana and flash are strong, but for the big titanic final battle, i'd have superman there (not necessarily alone tho), because its a personal connection... i think it really depends on the enemy and circumstances as much as anything else...

Originally posted by Newjak
I can agree with that.

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Originally posted by pr1983
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To me it riuns the concepts he stands for.

Originally posted by Newjak
Although I dson't like my Superman coming in and saving the day when everyone else looses in the JLA.

To me it riuns the concepts he stands for.

jla suck as a team though... individually they're better off...

Originally posted by pr1983
jla suck as a team though... individually they're better off...

Thats another thing I don't like about the JLA when one of then turns evil they all of a sudden can bea the entire team 😛

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh yeah indivually most writers make them look better although I think Superman tends to be the one who gets to shine most of the time.

Thats another thing I don't like about the JLA when one of then turns evil they all of a sudden can bea the entire team 😛

thats true... remember the despero fight? pure crap... the deathstroke one in Identity Crisis too...

Originally posted by pr1983
thats true... remember the despero fight? pure crap... the deathstroke one in Identity Crisis too...

I will say with the exception of Hal and Flash I think DS wasn't to far off with the rest of them.