Differentiating between PIS and 'IDLI,IDH'

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Originally posted by batdude123
Face it, Jak. Magneto is a legitimate herald level character.

Surfer, and Stardust would stomp a mudhole in his stinkhole.
And then repeat the thing he did to Apoc.

Herald level... maybe... but still pales in comparison to the higher models.

Newjak I am Beyond Power

What you held back sure I be;ieve in a match where you needed to show just how strong Mags was that you would hold back his best feats.

Honestly I think your reading too much into him tapping into the Earth's Magentic Field. It doesn't mean he was using all of it it simply means he was tapping into it not that he was absolutly controlling it.

Besides the wormhole feat all of your scans are weak BD. And as for the energy needed to create a wromhole I would like to hear your exact caclulations on the matter. I would like to see your awesome evidence on the energy needed. Why because I would like to point out that a wormhole is a theortical place in space that has yet to be observed or shown. They have never been recreated or their axact nature known. The fact is that no one knows where they are what they are or what they can do. The fact is the known energy needed for creating a wormhole is theotical at best.

I would also like to point out that Magento only created a small wormhole that he used to travel to a place to save his children. So whatever theoritcal calculations you do have would have to be toned down expoentially to begin with.

Also besides the fact every one of your other scans is small time manipulation I still feel very safe in my statement. That yes he isn't nearly as strng as you think.

Although I am willing to add this simply for sake of whatifs. He can be a jigh-midtier to low high level but is in no way shape or form close to the herald class at all.

You just served to strengthen my comments already.

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by Newjak
What you held back sure I be;ieve in a match where you needed to show just how strong Mags was that you would hold back his best feats.

There wasn’t a Magneto respect thread before DC and I entered the tourney. My knowledge on Magneto has been expanding ever since then. I can tell you one thing… Magneto is without a doubt herald level.

Originally posted by Newjak
Honestly I think your reading too much into him tapping into the Earth's Magentic Field. It doesn't mean he was using all of it it simply means he was tapping into it not that he was absolutly controlling it.

Where have I EVER said that Magneto can manipulate the entire Magnetosphere? Or control the entire Magnetosphere? 😕 All I’ve ever said is that he’s able to tap into it and become a living part of it. He can draw on it for extra energy and power.

Originally posted by Newjak
Besides the wormhole feat all of your scans are weak BD. And as for the energy needed to create a wromhole I would like to hear your exact caclulations on the matter. I would like to see your awesome evidence on the energy needed. Why because I would like to point out that a wormhole is a theortical place in space that has yet to be observed or shown. They have never been recreated or their axact nature known. The fact is that no one knows where they are what they are or what they can do. The fact is the known energy needed for creating a wormhole is theotical at best.

True, but there is one thing certain about that feat; he had to manipulate the space-time continuum in order to create a portal to a parallel dimension. However theoretical the amount of energy needed to create one is irrelevant. The point is; it requires A LOT. You’ve also got to factor in writer intent with feats.

Originally posted by Newjak
I would also like to point out that Magento only created a small wormhole that he used to travel to a place to save his children. So whatever theoritcal calculations you do have would have to be toned down expoentially to begin with.

Wait… did you just contradict yourself there, Newjak? I believe you just said in the paragraph above that “a wormhole is a theoretical place in space that has yet to be observed or shown.” So how the hell do you know what a small wormhole is? That could’ve been a huge wormhole for all we know.

Originally posted by Newjak
Also besides the fact every one of your other scans is small time manipulation I still feel very safe in my statement. That yes he isn't nearly as strng as you think.
Although I am willing to add this simply for sake of whatifs. He can be a high-midtier to low high level but is in no way shape or form close to the herald class at all.

Oh please. Name ONE character sub-herald level that could beat Magneto. This should be interesting to say the least. Iron Man? Besides the fact that Magneto has pwned Stark MANY, MANY different times throughout the years, all it would take is a simple snap of his fingers and Tony’s circuitry in the suit would be fried.

And before you go on saying “BUT TAHT WAS TEH THOREZZER!!!!111”, know that it was a Thor-like robot created by HYDRA with a much less powerful version of Mjolnir.

Originally posted by Newjak
You just served to strengthen my comments already.

Why? Because you’re making it completely obvious that you don’t know anything about Magneto?

Let’s start off with some…

Speed and Reflexes Feats

Here’s Magneto stopping a speedblitz from none other than NORTHSTAR himself:

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Here’s Magneto wrapping up a speed rampaging Quicksilver in some metal.

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Here’s a scan showing that Magneto’s electrical impulses are 1450% times faster than that of a normal human.

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Magneto’s also been able to fly at speeds of over Mach 100 before.

Magneto’s Strength

Breaks from Hercules’ bear hug and sends him flying:

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Takes a full on punch from Colossus while in a weakened state, and he doesn’t suffer any injuries.

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Goes toe to toe with Colossus while in a weakened state:

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Knocks out Rogue with a gesture:

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Goes physically against some of the X-Men:

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Magneto’s Durability

Here he is taking two nukes to the face without protection from his shields:

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Here he is acting as a lightning rod for this much energy:

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(more durability feats are available on demand)

Shield Strength

His shields deflected Captain Universe Spider-man’s blasts like nothing. Remember, this CU Spider-man was the same one who beat the crap out of Thor, and punched the Hulk out of Earth’s atmosphere.

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Taking Thor’s and She Hulk’s shots like nothing:

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Xavier needed the combined psychic abilities of himself and Jean Grey to penetrate his shields:

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His shield takes a telekinetic blast from the Phoenix:

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His shields easily withstand a nuke:

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Magneto’s shields withstand an attack by Galactus:

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Here’s another reference to Thor’s Mjolnir strikes not being enough to penetrate Magneto’s shields:

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Blast Power

An inexperienced Magneto used a minute blast that destroyed an entire mountain:

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When Magneto first manifested his powers, he accidentally blew up a city akin to a thermonuclear explosion:

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Preventing Others From Using Their Powers

Here he is preventing Storm from using her powers by locking up the bio-electric current in her body:

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He also prevented Nightcrawler from teleporting:

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Drawing Energy out of the Phoenix

I know you’ve seen this before, but you severely underestimate it:

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Energy Manipulation

He was able to bend Cyclops’ optic blasts without the use of a shield. He completely manipulated it away from him.

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Manipulating Storm’s lightning:

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Again:

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Here he is manipulating light waves (photons):

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Here he is using magnetic force to render himself and his ship invisible:

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Some more light manipulation:

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Here he manipulates, warps, and controls SOUND has he redirects Banshee’s sonic scream back at him:

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batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

(Continued)...

Magnetokinesis

Here, Prof X with Magneto’s powers hurls Avalon into space… and Avalon is the size of a STATE. 😐

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Here he is dropping a mountain on some poor soldiers:

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Here he is bringing Volcanoes up out of the crust of the earth, and even controlling when and how they erupt:

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Here he is opening up the earth:

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Global Scale Power

Creating a planet-sized EM pulse that disables every single electrical device on the planet:

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Here he is controlling satellites all around the world:

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Manipulating Earth’s magnetic field to prevent ALL long ranged telepathy:

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Absorption of Energy/ Drawing Power from the Magnetosphere

Here’s Magneto absorbing the power from Storm’s lightning:

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Again:

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Drawing on the power of Earth’s magnetic field:

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Seeing at an Atomic Level/ Patterns of Force and Energy

Seeing the world as patterns of force and energy, and sensing disruptions alongside the magnetic lines of force:

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Here he is seeing patterns of force and energy AND seeing at an atomic level:

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Telepathic/Psychic Defenses

He can jam telepathic powers like he did to all the X-Men telepaths at once:

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He can reflect telepathic power that’s used on him:

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Wormhole

You’ve seen this before… but I’m gonna show it again:

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Stopping Teleportation

His shields can prevent teleporters from coming in:

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Manipulation of Gravitons

He can create anti-gravitational fields:

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Fusing Metal to Opponent’s Bodies

Here he is fusing metallic particles to Banshee’s body:

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Here he is fusing metal to another person’s body:

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Ripping Apart Bodies via Iron in the Blood Manipulation

Ripping apart Apocalypse’s body:

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Ripping apart Neo’s body with a fraction of a fraction of his power:

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Telepathy

Not many people know this, but Magneto has telepathic powers.

Here he is using astral projection:

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Here he is using telepathy:

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Here he is using some more astral projection:

Fighting the Avengers

Here he is beating down an Avengers team which even consists of Thor:

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Control Over Atomic and Subatomic Particles

Here he is fusing metallic particles right out of the air. Notice that his energy output was enough to lift up a city:

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Here he is controlling atoms to destroy a weapon:

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Here he is rearranging Colossus’ body on a subatomic level:

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Creating a Storm That Not even Storm Could Manipulate

The title says it all. He created a storm that was beyond her power’s limitations:

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Magneto Affecting Mjolnir

Here we have Magneto magnetically controlling Mjolnir:

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And incase you STILL think this is crap ( 🙄 ), Graviton has done the exact same thing:

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Cold Increasing His Powers

When exposed to extremely cold temperatures, Magneto’s powers are boosted by a lot:

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Magneto vs. The Champions

Here’s Magneto taking on the Champions while simultaneously keeping the Hulk at bay:

Do any ONE of these feats alone make him herald level? Maybe, maybe not. However, in conjunction with one another, they make him one badass herald level character.

Face it Newjak, Magneto has every single power in the book.

He is indeed herald level.

Badabing Gym rat

Magneto isn't herald level. 😐

durfist

Newjak I am Beyond Power

I love how you tried to bring in the Magneto respect thread especially since if you really wanted to try and compare those feats with real Herald level feats Mags would be left in the dust and you should know this.

And as for Mags having every power in the book you really want to try to claim that and let's say put him next to Silver Surfer, A Green Lantern, Even most of Thor's exotic feats show more actual power than that.

Face it you put Magneto next to any real Herald level characters and his feats go down the drain fast.

By the way you never said that Magneto couldn't control the Earth's entire magnetic field but you tried very hard to imply it. The fact is he hasn't and you can't even show where he has done a major test of power to a planet because the simple fact is there isn't any for him.

The fact is that beings like Doom have stalemated Magneto. Magneto's durability has him crying in pain when Gambit hits him with energy cards (Even if it is in the face). The fact is that the X-Men can beat him and have done so many times and if he was as powerful as you say they shouldn't even mess with him.

You dared me to pick any body below herald that could beat him.

Wonder Man could. Aquaman could. Super Skrull could. Doom could. And flat out almost any herald level being owns him to the nth degree.

I don't see where you can't see this BD.

The fact is you can name a million mediocre feats but they still don't compare to Silver Surfer blowing up planets, Thor moving planetary objects, Gladiator punching apart planets, Beta Ray Bill one shotting planets, Green Lanterns moving planets, Superman holding moving a planet....

I think your getting the picture BD before going and trying to claim someone is on a level make sure to realize what that level actually means and what needs to be done to be in it.

Mags really doesn't have the feats

Newjak I am Beyond Power

By the way BD I think your confusing the notion of power level with practical powers.

Honestly I understand that in terms of practicality Magneto has a very good power especially against most living organisms that require electrical impulses to control movement.

Iceman has the same thing going for him. His feats aren't all that impressive its just his power is very practical. Even BW won't say Iceman can beat true to form heralds one on one. In fact BW understands Iceman would loose to people like Silver Surfer no problem.

Its the same exact thing with Mags. He has a very good power that can be hard to defend against that doesn't mean his power Level is herald.

You need to understand the difference.

Badabing Gym rat

Originally posted by Badabing
Magneto isn't herald level. 😐
durfist

Originally posted by Newjak
I love how you tried to bring in the Magneto respect thread especially since if you really wanted to try and compare those feats with real Herald level feats Mags would be left in the dust and you should know this.
And as for Mags having every power in the book you really want to try to claim that and let's say put him next to Silver Surfer, A Green Lantern, Even most of Thor's exotic feats show more actual power than that.
Face it you put Magneto next to any real Herald level characters and his feats go down the drain fast.
By the way you never said that Magneto couldn't control the Earth's entire magnetic field but you tried very hard to imply it. The fact is he hasn't and you can't even show where he has done a major test of power to a planet because the simple fact is there isn't any for him.
The fact is that beings like Doom have stalemated Magneto. Magneto's durability has him crying in pain when Gambit hits him with energy cards (Even if it is in the face). The fact is that the X-Men can beat him and have done so many times and if he was as powerful as you say they shouldn't even mess with him.
You dared me to pick any body below herald that could beat him.
Wonder Man could. Aquaman could. Super Skrull could. Doom could. And flat out almost any herald level being owns him to the nth degree.
I don't see where you can't see this BD.
The fact is you can name a million mediocre feats but they still don't compare to Silver Surfer blowing up planets, Thor moving planetary objects, Gladiator punching apart planets, Beta Ray Bill one shotting planets, Green Lanterns moving planets, Superman holding moving a planet....
I think your getting the picture BD before going and trying to claim someone is on a level make sure to realize what that level actually means and what needs to be done to be in it.
Mags really doesn't have the feats

I see Newjak went into a bit more detail than I did. durfist No wonder I have him profiled. 😖hifty:

batdude123 Fellow Tu Quoqumber

Originally posted by Newjak
I love how you tried to bring in the Magneto respect thread especially since if you really wanted to try and compare those feats with real Herald level feats Mags would be left in the dust and you should know this.

I'm not comparing him to guys like Green Lantern or Silver Surfer. I'm comparing him to guys like Red Shift, Terrax, Graviton, Exodus, Count Nefaria, etc.

Tell me, when exactly have these guys that I mentioned above done something akin to manipulating and warping the space-time continuum?

He has the ability to defeat guys like Martian Manhunter, Superman, Wonder woman, Thor etc... (maybe not for the majority in some cases, but still)

Originally posted by Newjak
And as for Mags having every power in the book you really want to try to claim that and let's say put him next to Silver Surfer, A Green Lantern, Even most of Thor's exotic feats show more actual power than that.

That is what is called a figure of speech. All I meant by it is that he has A LOT of powers.

Originally posted by Newjak
Face it you put Magneto next to any real Herald level characters and his feats go down the drain fast.

Not at all. His higher feats are totally comparable. Like the fact that he's PUNKED Thor on three different occasions. 🙄

Originally posted by Newjak
By the way you never said that Magneto couldn't control the Earth's entire magnetic field but you tried very hard to imply it. The fact is he hasn't and you can't even show where he has done a major test of power to a planet because the simple fact is there isn't any for him.

That's a matter of perspective, and you were way off. I never said anything about him manipulating the entire Magnetosphere.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is that beings like Doom have stalemated Magneto. Magneto's durability has him crying in pain when Gambit hits him with energy cards (Even if it is in the face). The fact is that the X-Men can beat him and have done so many times and if he was as powerful as you say they shouldn't even mess with him.

Guess what? Doom has given Thor a hell of a time before. He's Earth's second greatest sorcerer after Dr. Strange. Hell, he's beaten Adam Warlock and Kang at the same time. It's not THAT big of a deal to stalemate him.

And yet, Magneto has taken shots from Namor and Colossus without the shield without suffering any damage.

You know, there must be some divine energy in those cards, considering Gambit has also taken out Gladiator with his kinetically charged cards as well. 🙂

Originally posted by Newjak
You dared me to pick any body below herald that could beat him.

Indeed I did.

Originally posted by Newjak
Wonder Man could

How? By pounding on his shields? 😕

Originally posted by Newjak
Aquaman could.

How? Magneto has insane psychic defenses, not to mention his telepathic hampering helmet he has (it was stated that it blocks telepathy after the New X-Men arc). From there, he's just another brawler. Magneto would EASILY take Aquaman out.

Originally posted by Newjak
Super Skrull could.

Uh... no. Super Skrull is less powerful and less versatile. He wouldn't beat Magneto.

Originally posted by Newjak
Doom could.

Uh, well considering Doom is herald level... 😕

Not only does he have his tech, but he's a high level sorcerer. And Magneto has beaten him before anyway.

Originally posted by Newjak
And flat out almost any herald level being owns him to the nth degree.

Incredibly false.

Originally posted by Newjak
I don't see where you can't see this BD.

Interesting, because I can't see any justifications for him not being a herald level. All of your reasons flat out suck, I'm sorry to say. 😬 You assume that "herald level" means being equal to Silver Surfer or GL. Just because Magneto isn't as powerful as SS or GL doesn't mean he's not on their level.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is you can name a million mediocre feats but they still don't compare to Silver Surfer blowing up planets, Thor moving planetary objects, Gladiator punching apart planets, Beta Ray Bill one shotting planets, Green Lanterns moving planets, Superman holding moving a planet....

Disabling every machine across the globe, manipulating the earth's magnetic field to hamper long ranged telepathy, controlling all the satellites across the globe, hurling a state-sized base into orbit? These may not be as good as actually blowing up a planet, but they are CERTAINLY top tier feats of power.

Originally posted by Newjak
I think your getting the picture BD before going and trying to claim someone is on a level make sure to realize what that level actually means and what needs to be done to be in it.

I know perfectly well what it means to be a herald level character. It's not my fault that you're delusional of what it takes to be considered one.

Originally posted by Newjak
Mags really doesn't have the feats

Uh... yes, he does.

Badabing Gym rat

Batdude KNEW not to quote me! durfist

Newjak I am Beyond Power

Terrax recently blew up a planet. Red Shift more than likely cuts through the shields no problem. Exodus isn't herald level and Count Neferia would punk Magneto as well. GO ahead make a Magneto vs Count Neferia thread and see how it goes.

I would like to point out that any and all teleportation is a breach in the space time continuum my friend. Why because you literally are taking the mass from one spot and relocating it to another without simply moving it through the space provded.

So does that mean Cloak is herald level, is Nightcralwer herald level, is Blink herald level, no one of those people are close class to the highest tier most commonly referred to as herald but all them can teleport and thus can mess with the space time continuum.

The fact alone that you think that Magneto can defeat the Martian Manhunter shows how very little you know about the Herald class to begin with. MM would punk Magneto any day and every day of the week. Superman and Wonder Woman would both beat Magneto to the nth degree.

Not at all. His higher feats are totally comparable. Like the fact that he's PUNKED Thor on three different occasions.

This is the only quote worthy thing. You know for someone who believes religiously that the fact that since Thor can't handle speed even though he fights super speedsters. So I find it funny that you would try to say these are reasons why he would be herald level.

So basically it only ok if it works for you right. The fact is that even you understand to some degree that if Thor were using the full extent of his power he would win the solid majority. I think it is quite safe to say Thor using the brunt of his power rapes Mags.

So your contradicting yourself in trying to say those things.

Oh by the way I understand that Magneto has a bunch of powers. Beings like Psylocke have a bunch of powers. Iron Man has a lot of powers. Vision has an arsenal of powers at his disposal. Those guys aren't herald level either.

And Doom isn't herald level. He is a big threat with tons of prep but the fact is that his power level is roughly Ironman level as they have stalemated quite a few times. It is just the fact that Doom's armor is shielded against Magnetism so when Doom and Mags fought it was all about power level and they stalemated. It was all about the power level which wasn't that impressive.

Super Skrull with a bubble to the brain for the win 😖hifty:

Disabling every machine across the globe, manipulating the earth's magnetic field to hamper long ranged telepathy, controlling all the satellites across the globe, hurling a state-sized base into orbit? These may not be as good as actually blowing up a planet, but they are CERTAINLY top tier feats of power.

Ok I lied with was quote worthy as well.

You said so yourself They may not be as good as blowing up a planet heck they aren't even in the the same ballpark in terms of being good. I could continue to show what average based Herald level feats are but then they still are continent level feats which are still way above a state moving feat. Big Barda has lifted a continent, Black Bolt has whispered through the planet and caused a shock wave on the other side of a planet and those people are generally considered weaker herald level beings 😬

I seriously don't think you understand the raw power need to be a herald and I love how to didn't quote my practical vs power level post because well it is true Mags power level isn't nearly herald level.

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Originally posted by Newjak
Terrax recently blew up a planet. Red Shift more than likely cuts through the shields no problem. Exodus isn't herald level and Count Neferia would punk Magneto as well. GO ahead make a Magneto vs Count Neferia thread and see how it goes.

Right... Red Shift is going to cut through the shields when more powerful opponents have failed before? 😕 And Exodus is indeed herald level (especially bloodties Exodus). How is Count Nefaria defeating Magneto again? His top speed is around 25,000 mph, so a speedblitz is out. Magneto has defended against people who can speedblitz faster than that, and Magneto has been clocked at roughly 78,000 mph before (mach 100). From there, Count Nefaria couldn’t do anything to Magneto once he got his shields up.

Originally posted by Newjak
I would like to point out that any and all teleportation is a breach in the space time continuum my friend. Why because you literally are taking the mass from one spot and relocating it to another without simply moving it through the space provded.
So does that mean Cloak is herald level, is Nightcralwer herald level, is Blink herald level, no one of those people are close class to the highest tier most commonly referred to as herald but all them can teleport and thus can mess with the space time continuum.

Cut the bullshit, you know exactly what I’m talking about. 🙄 I’m not talking about an interference with the space/time continuum; I’m talking about legitimately manipulating it. Bending it to your will, and then through that break in the three dimensions of space and the one dimension of time, turning it into your own personal boom tube.

There is a HUGE difference between teleportation and creating a wormhole.

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact alone that you think that Magneto can defeat the Martian Manhunter shows how very little you know about the Herald class to begin with. MM would punk Magneto any day and every day of the week. Superman and Wonder Woman would both beat Magneto to the nth degree.

Yeah, I’M delusional on how powerful J’onn is. 😆 crylaugh Dr. Polaris (DC’s version of Magneto), has beaten MM before, and he’s also beaten Wonder Woman before.

He also beat Superman in Action comics when he put a skin tight bubble around Superman and filtered red sun radiation through his body, depleting his energy source. Also, he used an electromagnetic pulse to screw with his super hearing, and it hurt him a lot.

Not to mention, Superman has an electromagnetic bio-aura around his body that Magneto could manipulate as well.

There’s no point in downplaying a character to support your arguments. It just makes you look bad.

Originally posted by Newjak
This is the only quote worthy thing. You know for someone who believes religiously that the fact that since Thor can't handle speed even though he fights super speedsters. So I find it funny that you would try to say these are reasons why he would be herald level.

This is coming from someone who thinks Thor can speedblitz? 😕 He could barely tag Spider-man, Daredevil, or Mongoose. Yeah, Thor is fast, but a speedblitzer? No… not by a long shot. He fights guys like Glads and SS alright, but that doesn’t mean they were trying to speedblitz him with everything they had. Your problem is that you think every single encounter with someone like Gladiator or Silver Surfer is a testament to a person’s reflexes, even though Glads & Surfer seldom if ever use their speed in a fight.

Originally posted by Newjak
So basically it only ok if it works for you right. The fact is that even you understand to some degree that if Thor were using the full extent of his power he would win the solid majority. I think it is quite safe to say Thor using the brunt of his power rapes Mags.

Yeah, he’d win about 6-7/10 over Mags. I’ve never denied this. All I’ve ever said was that Magneto has the necessary abilities to give Thor a run for his money and to win a few out of ten. Fair enough?

Originally posted by Newjak
So you’re contradicting yourself in trying to say those things.

I’m not contradicting anything. I just told what has happened when they’ve faced each other in the past… nothing more.

Originally posted by Newjak
Oh by the way I understand that Magneto has a bunch of powers. Beings like Psylocke have a bunch of powers. Iron Man has a lot of powers. Vision has an arsenal of powers at his disposal. Those guys aren't herald level either.

It’s funny that you bring up these particular characters, ‘cause Magneto has punked every single one of them. Iron Man, Vision, and Psylocke have all had their asses handed to them by Erik.

Originally posted by Newjak
And Doom isn't herald level. He is a big threat with tons of prep but the fact is that his power level is roughly Ironman level as they have stalemated quite a few times. It is just the fact that Doom's armor is shielded against Magnetism so when Doom and Mags fought it was all about power level and they stalemated. It was all about the power level which wasn't that impressive.

Magneto has beaten Doom before, and Doom has given Thor a hard time, and he’s beaten Adam Warlock and Kang at the same time. He’s a top tier sorcerer, and his suit tech is among the best.

Originally posted by Newjak
Super Skrull with a bubble to the brain for the win 😖hifty:

Magneto has already beaten the FF before. He owned them pretty badly too. The only reason they beat him was because Reed had prep time in which he created a device to counteract Magneto’s powers.

Originally posted by Newjak
Ok I lied with was quote worthy as well.
You said so yourself they may not be as good as blowing up a planet heck they aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of being good. I could continue to show what average based Herald level feats are but then they still are continent level feats which are still way above a state moving feat. Big Barda has lifted a continent, Black Bolt has whispered through the planet and caused a shock wave on the other side of a planet and those people are generally considered weaker herald level beings 😬

Magneto has manipulated something larger and more intricate than Earth (Magnetosphere). It extends FAR beyond the atmosphere of Earth. That feat is definitely impressive, and it’s a top tier feat. Throwing a state just by using telekinesis is more impressive than by strength. What herald level character have you seen (JUST by using telekinesis) has done something similar to that? Magneto has already beaten Black Bolt along with the rest of the inhumans before. 😬 And who cares how much Barda has lifted? Magneto has beaten far stronger characters before anyway. If you can lift 100000000000 tons, you’re still going to lose to a guy who only has to blink in order to beat you. Not to mention, Magneto has kept Hulk at bay with his powers. And he's stronger than she is.

Originally posted by Newjak
I seriously don't think you understand the raw power need to be a herald and I love how to didn't quote my practical vs power level post because well it is true Mags power level isn't nearly herald level.

I understand perfectly what it takes to be considered a “herald” level. The problem with you is that you’re blinded by the likes of GL or Silver Surfer, thinking one has to be equal to them in terms of power for them to be considered one. 🙄

PS: I also like how you ignore the majority of my points. 😆

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and you wonder why some of us avoid the versus forum.

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by Newjak
The fact is that beings like Doom have stalemated Magneto. Magneto's durability has him crying in pain when Gambit hits him with energy cards (Even if it is in the face). The fact is that the X-Men can beat him and have done so many times and if he was as powerful as you say they shouldn't even mess with him.

Stalemating Doom is called a high end feat...
Hell and even Magneto beating him is like bullshit...

Doom is underated... really he is.
He has one-shotted Adam Warlock, then beat Kang, then Warlock got up, tried to speedblitz Doom. Doom turned around and one-shotted him... again. Then he went and beat Magus into submission...
Is this a low end feat?

Hell Doom has even taken out a weakened Surfer with one shot, and his robots held Strange, while Doom was about to destroy him...

He has learned to use the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak in mere seconds, just by whatching some magicians. Then he went and pawned quite a bit of them, and at the start of the thing, Doom admitted he was a noob in magic...
This was BEFORE Doom spent many weeks with Dr Strange learning how to use magic...

Iron Man doing anything to him, or taking anything from him is bullshit.
I've listed some offense feats, but his defense is also top of the line...
Thanos with the Power Gem would agree, and Doom was unshielded...

Plus, Doom's shield has had him get put almost into orbit, all the way around Limbo, without any physical strain on it what-so-ever.

Plus, Doom has fought Thor a couple times, and gave him a hard time... hell he even put him in a hold using physical powers...

I can give scans of everything mentioned, but I am too lazy right now...

Doom is high up there... and you're only strengthening Batdude's case...

Also, about Gambit...
Gambit threw cards right in an unprotected/unsuspecting Magneto's face... and... well... it did nothing to him... the scans shown on the forums blot out a lot of this... but... luckly, I have them, and the comic...
Also, Charles can't even break through his psi-defenses alone...

Notice the top panel... ya, that is usually the only one shown...

Oh, and if you notice... Charles and Jean were in his mind too, while this was happening...
And, the cards didn't even really hurt him... in the face... with just his own natural duribility...

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Originally posted by bigbran
Stalemating Doom is called a high end feat...
Hell and even Magneto beating him is like bullshit...
Doom is underated... really he is.
He has one-shotted Adam Warlock, then beat Kang, then Warlock got up, tried to speedblitz Doom. Doom turned around and one-shotted him... again. Then he went and beat Magus into submission...
Is this a low end feat?
Hell Doom has even taken out a weakened Surfer with one shot, and his robots held Strange, while Doom was about to destroy him...
He has learned to use the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak in mere seconds, just by whatching some magicians. Then he went and pawned quite a bit of them, and at the start of the thing, Doom admitted he was a noob in magic...
This was BEFORE Doom spent many weeks with Dr Strange learning how to use magic...
Iron Man doing anything to him, or taking anything from him is bullshit.
I've listed some offense feats, but his defense is also top of the line...
Thanos with the Power Gem would agree, and Doom was unshielded...
Plus, Doom's shield has had him get put almost into orbit, all the way around Limbo, without any physical strain on it what-so-ever.
Plus, Doom has fought Thor a couple times, and gave him a hard time... hell he even put him in a hold using physical powers...
I can give scans of everything mentioned, but I am too lazy right now...
Doom is high up there... and you're only strengthening Batdude's case...
Also, about Gambit...
Gambit threw cards right in an unprotected/unsuspecting Magneto's face... and... well... it did nothing to him... the scans shown on the forums blot out a lot of this... but... luckly, I have them, and the comic...
Also, Charles can't even break through his psi-defenses alone...
Notice the top panel... ya, that is usually the only one shown...
Oh, and if you notice... Charles and Jean were in his mind too, while this was happening...
And, the cards didn't even really hurt him... in the face... with just his own natural duribility...

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Ok Batdude. if you say Mags is herald level, I'll agree. low-mid tier herald level. But you have to acknowledge Apoc is mid tier herald level. 😈 and that Apocalypse and Magneto are comparable at least.

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Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok Batdude. if you say Mags is herald level, I'll agree. low-mid tier herald level. But you have to acknowledge Apoc is mid tier herald level. 😈 and that Apocalypse and Magneto are comparable at least.

Fine. srug I'll throw you a bone. 😛

bigbran Dead

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Ok Batdude. if you say Mags is herald level, I'll agree. low-mid tier herald level. But you have to acknowledge Apoc is mid tier herald level. 😈 and that Apocalypse and Magneto are comparable at least.

And yet... we all know that's bullshit so your example doesn't work...

starlock Team Authority

In my opinon Magneto is not herald Level and untill Galactus makes him one its really not an issue for me,i am ok with people saying or thinking he is ,everybody has their opinon,but my mind has not been swayed by anything here or in the magneto respect thread

Without him consiously using his power to augment his strength and duribility i am not going to just Believe his natural duribility can take shots from colossus or even charged cards from Gambit to his face,unless maybe they dont want to kill him?

Show me any Bio or stats that show anything,anything other than magnetos armor he wears as his protection,and i dont mean resistances that come with his power or the helmut(well as armor sure),

I am to believe if magneto was sleeping and colossus went to kill him with a punch and connected,magneto would get up and fight back? i think he would be dead, or gambit went to assasinate Mag's and got to him while surprising him and connected with even a butter knife( to an assasin it can kill) that magneto would not be killed or close?
and i am not talking about his enhanced reflexes and such,i am talking about him taking a hit, unprepared and without his power active

I find it a this a little misleading,but no disrespect,writers and artist are partly responsible for most questionable aspects of characters

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Originally posted by starlock
In my opinon Magneto is not herald Level and untill Galactus makes him one its really not an issue for me,i am ok with people saying or thinking he is ,everybody has their opinon,but my mind has not been swayed by anything here or in the magneto respect thread
Without him consiously using his power to augment his strength and duribility i am not going to just Believe his natural duribility can take shots from colossus or even charged cards from Gambit to his face,unless maybe they dont want to kill him?
Show me any Bio or stats that show anything,anything other than magnetos armor he wears as his protection,and i dont mean resistances that come with his power or the helmut(well as armor sure),
I am to believe if magneto was sleeping and colossus went to kill him with a punch and connected,magneto would get up and fight back? i think he would be dead, or gambit went to assasinate Mag's and got to him while surprising him and connected with even a butter knife( to an assasin it can kill) that magneto would not be killed or close?
and i am not talking about his enhanced reflexes and such,i am talking about him taking a hit, unprepared and without his power active
I find it a this a little misleading,but no disrespect,writers and artist are partly responsible for most questionable aspects of characters

if his powers weren't active, he'd be dead if he was hit hard enough, though as was said, his suit does act as a type of body armour... as far back as x-men #1, he took a roundhouse kick from psylocke (a brilliant fighter by any measure), and still fought on...

he'd have to be hit hard enough to kill him, but i'd say it can be done...