NJO Luke V.S. DE Sidious

Started by Gideon6 pages
Originally posted by Utrigita
Even though he uses the force storm it wouldn't do him any good considering how Luke already turned it against him once (not sure was leia helping ore not)

I'd recommend reading Dark Empire. Anakin and Leia combined their strength with Luke to resist Sidious's Force Storm.

Edit: In fact, they didn't even do that. They cut Sidious off from his Force Storm, preventing him from controlling it, but they couldn't stop the thing itself and barely made it off the ship alive.

When I say NJO Luke I mean Luke in TUF. What about the emerald lightning, what about him rooting himself in the heart of the force so that not even a black hole could move him. I have a hard time believing that if a black hole can't move him, somehow a force storm can..

As good as DE Sidious is, NJO Luke is fair more powerful. NJO Luke is now a Grandmaster. It might be a close fight to some extent but NJO Luke wins.

Originally posted by Gideon
The Force Storm is not ritualistic in nature, Nebaris. It doesn't take six zillion minutes to prepare, and Sidious doesn't sacrifice a goat to create one nor does he light a bunch of candles and start singing a Gregorian chant. Sidious's Force Storm speaks of the level of destruction that he can create; regardless if it is based on sheer power, it is the most devastatingly powerful Force assault we've seen.

Luke has not been shown distributing such power on another Force user, and while I'm not doubting his power rivals Sidious's, Sidious's techniques, experience, and offensive lexicon outmatches Luke's own.

It's more plausible that Sidious will launch a Force Storm at Luke and get away with it than Luke using a blackhole.

NJO Luke is not Luke at his peak, so that statistic doesn't apply. Luke can win either way, but he will not own Sidious in the Force.

Then why did he lost control of it hmm because it powers was beyond his own to control, today luke has a much better understanding of the force, I cannot see the problem in him disrupting it again like he did the last time it was used.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'd recommend reading Dark Empire. Anakin and Leia combined their strength with Luke to resist Sidious's Force Storm.

Edit: In fact, they didn't even do that. They cut Sidious off from his Force Storm, preventing him from controlling it, but they couldn't stop the thing itself and barely made it off the ship alive.

Have tried getting it but in my country Star Wars books and Comics isn't in high value is must use online places 😮 and learn along the way 😄

The Force Storm is not ritualistic in nature, Nebaris. It doesn't take six zillion minutes to prepare, and Sidious doesn't sacrifice a goat to create one nor does he light a bunch of candles and start singing a Gregorian chant.

Here's the explanation given in the Book of Anger:

The Book Of Anger

"Emperor Palpatine's first volume deals with the use of emotion to control the Force. He considers anger to be the most potent emotional form. With anger, the Sith can call upon the dark side, harnessing it for great power and destruction. Palpatine teaches that anger and rage, mixed with intelligent control, call upon the dark side with a very fine level of control, and can even kill from a great distance.

An excerpt, on the creation of Force Storms:

I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released -- the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms."

Seems pretty ritualistic to me.

Sidious's Force Storm speaks of the level of destruction that he can create;

It speaks for his willpower and the depth of his anger. That's it. Read above.

regardless if it is based on sheer power, it is the most devastatingly powerful Force assault we've seen.

The sith ritual that Bane was performing was more powerful, I'd say, though he did require the power of about 20 other sith lords. I'd also say that Nihilus draining an entire race of force sensitives as well as about 100 jedi is a more powerful display. And that's just destructive power, in terms of general power, I'd also say there are a few others, such as the Black Whole feat produced by Luke and Kyp.

Luke has not been shown distributing such power on another Force user, and while I'm not doubting his power rivals Sidious's, Sidious's techniques, experience, and offensive lexicon outmatches Luke's own.

Wow, Sidious has a greater knowledge of force techniques, so what? Since when does having more make any difference whatsoever, when you have as much as Luke already has?

It's more plausible that Sidious will launch a Force Storm at Luke and get away with it than Luke using a blackhole.

Either scenario would never happen, but if you're trying to act as if I was saying that Luke will just use a black whole against Sidious, then you need to go over and read through what I said again; all I'm saying is that Luke achieving such a feat is great testament to his strength with the force, and can be applied through other means (force push for instance). The same can't be said about the force storm.

hey.. if Obi wan hadnt injured Anakin in ROTS, Anakin would be equal in Force power and ligthsaber mastery to Luke or would he even be more powerful?

far more powerful, although we dont know by how much.

yeah, i supposed so

Its been said before that had Anakin reached his FP, he would be at the top of the food chain by a definite margin.

Didn't Lucas confirm that their potential was equal.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
Didn't Lucas confirm that their potential was equal.

No, he did nothing of the sort. A few users on this forum either: a) twisted the quote to benefit their arguments, or b) misinterpreted the quote. This discussion has been covered numerous times. I'm sure you could do a search on Google (KMC search engine is horrific to me), and find one of the many debates.

then, if it hasnt, is it believed Anakin FP is stronger than any other SW being?

Anakin is near Sidious at least, as you can see him killing someone from great distance LOL.

Originally posted by Riverollv
then, if it hasnt, is it believed Anakin FP is stronger than any other SW being?

Anakin's midichlorian count was highest ever recorded. Even higher then that of Master Yoda.

Although it is said that "son could become what father could not", after Vader got crippled. So it is not clear.

Yes, after he got crippled(Vader), he lost huge connection to the Force, so that doesn't count.

Here's the explanation given in the Book of Anger:

The Book Of Anger

"Emperor Palpatine's first volume deals with the use of emotion to control the Force. He considers anger to be the most potent emotional form. With anger, the Sith can call upon the dark side, harnessing it for great power and destruction. Palpatine teaches that anger and rage, mixed with intelligent control, call upon the dark side with a very fine level of control, and can even kill from a great distance.

An excerpt, on the creation of Force Storms:

I have learned that Anger and Will, joined together, are the greatest power.

I have learned to meditate upon Anger and Will with clarity and precision, and I have learned to open the hidden reservoirs of dark side power.

Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body creates a portal through which vast energies are released -- the energies of the dark side of the Force.

Standing watch with the mind, in my meditation of Anger, I have slain my enemies from great distances, through the dark side power that permeates the galaxy. I have created lightning, and unleashed its destructive fire.

Using this knowledge, I can unleash the dark side energies that are all around us, even to shatter the fabric of space itself. In this way, I have created storms."

Seems pretty ritualistic to me.

It's amazing how only the last paragraph pertains to the Force Storm, Nebaris. "Using this knowledge", he can unleash dark side energies that are all around us. That isn't ritualistic. That means he achieved it through his constant experiments involving unleashing Force lightning and killing people across great distances".

Sorry. This is a non-ritualistic Force power. You need to accept that.

It speaks for his willpower and the depth of his anger. That's it. Read above.

No. If that were just the case, Sion would be a beast. But he's not. Simply because power isn't stated to be a prerequisite doesn't mean that it isn't. I suppose it doesn't require "power" to perform Force lightning or a Force push? I suppose it doesn't require "power" to move a planet or whatever? I guess by your logic it isn't, since "power" isn't stated to be a requirement. I guess Han can move planets and create Force Storms, too?

Guess again.

The sith ritual that Bane was performing was more powerful, I'd say, though he did require the power of about 20 other sith lords. I'd also say that Nihilus draining an entire race of force sensitives as well as about 100 jedi is a more powerful display. And that's just destructive power, in terms of general power, I'd also say there are a few others, such as the Black Whole feat produced by Luke and Kyp.

Bane required more people. Sidious did it by himself. Nihilus draining an entire race of Force sensitives is indeed impressive, but Sidious was capable of draining people as well - and had a much greater control over it than Nihilus. And Sidious needed to do it to sustain his health due to the intensity of his personal power. And manipulating a black hole isn't an attack in itself. Sidious's Force Storm is the most potent and devastating Force "attack" we've seen.

Wow, Sidious has a greater knowledge of force techniques, so what? Since when does having more make any difference whatsoever, when you have as much as Luke already has?

Luke, actually, doesn't have as much as a few people. Sidious? Nah. Even now? He's not touching it. Don't even get me started on someone like Yoda. Or even Kun. Or Revan. His personal power and raw power exceeds them all, but his knowledge? While it is considerable, I wouldn't place it on par with someone like that.

As for knowledge, it is useful, like experience. Not a guarenteed victory, but in most cases? A steep advantage.

Either scenario would never happen, but if you're trying to act as if I was saying that Luke will just use a black whole against Sidious, then you need to go over and read through what I said again; all I'm saying is that Luke achieving such a feat is great testament to his strength with the force, and can be applied through other means (force push for instance). The same can't be said about the force storm.

I hardly think he'll need it. Why, isn't your claim to fame about Kas'im that he shielded himself from Bane's (who is a powerful Sith Lord) assault which was capable of leveling a temple? Sidious is miles and miles and miles ahead of Kas'im in power and knowledge. If Kas'im can survive that without damage, I don't see why Sidious couldn't survive a similar assault.

1...2...3.... Lets all say it NJO LUKE NJO LUKE NJO LUKE.

Originally posted by LORDSIDIOUS01
1...2...3.... Lets all say it NJO LUKE NJO LUKE NJO LUKE.

If this is him in TUF, he can win without dying of exhaustion if he keeps this to lightsabers. But he will not come close to owning Sidious in the Force. If he wins, it'll be by the skin of his teeth.

What is it that DE sidious has done that makes him so more powerful then luke in the force, just interestet, creating a force storm apart from that then what???