Before I even begin to dismantle what might pass for an "argument" (termed loosely) in your world, I'd like to point out that you did exactly say that you meant to prove that the light side was either equal, or stronger than the dark side in strength. Let me show you.
I posed a straightforward question to you about what you meant when you posted the lines from ESB, here's exactly what I asked (not quoted for easier reading), and what you responded with:
Advent: Are you trying to say that the lines Yoda spoke are accurate enough to base a conclusion that the light side is stronger, or that they're equal in terms of power?
Utrigita: And yes that I was I am saying.
Now, you later contradict your words by claiming that "that's not what [you] meant (by your initial post)". See the problem? It's not that anyone misunderstood you, it's that you are simply an idiot. I argued against what you stated, I didn't misinterpret it. So, I'd advise you to go back to the sandlot, junior.
Originally posted by Utrigita
OH yes lets call a 900 years old jedi master that have battled numorous dark side users and only lost to one lets call his statement irrelavant great idea. I am an idiot.
As par expected, the point completely flew over your head. What relevance does Yoda's age, and experience have in terms of opposing George Lucas' word? It has absolutely none. So, yes, it was a great idea, seeing as Yoda isn't real, and isn't all-knowing, whereas in terms of Star Wars, George Lucas is.
Sorry you didn't get a word of what I was saying none apparently did. I am an idiot.
Okay, so I didn't get a thing you said, yet I stated the exact same thing that you explained below in one sentence? Makes sense:
Originally posted by Advent
Like I said, the light side is only "better" in the way that you won't "ultimately fall" as you're destined to do on the dark path. In strength? It's weaker.
Looks like you're the one who doesn't possess basic comprehension skills. And, your original point, however, was what I was responding to, as your implication was that the light side is more powerful in terms of strength.
in that way light side>dark Side that is what Lucas says read you own post and use you eyes to actually read what Lucas says. I am an idiot.
As well, to add to what I stated above, I said the exact same thing when deciphering Yoda's seemingly ambiguous words:
Originally posted by Advent
Yoda's words are cryptic, one could just be assuming that he's claiming that the Dark side isn't more powerful due to the fact you will eventually fall (as that's your "destiny" as a dark sider), and that's all.
My thick skull the things I just posted. I am an idiot.
Again, you prove your idiocy by your inability to even formulate proper sentences. 👆 Funny you would even think to mention me as having a "low I.Q.". Dumbass.
Yes the dark side is stronger in some sense but the Light will always be victorious. I am an idiot.
Yes, I've said as much, dolt, but Luke asked a direct question: "Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda responded by saying "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive", and he was wrong, point blank, because "power" in this context wasn't up for interpretation ("A Jedi's strength flows from the Force..."😉. George Lucas trumps him.
and you will only attain great power if you have a great desire for using that power "But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed" So actually only in some sense is the dark side stronger then the light. I am an idiot.
Thanks for the repost, pal. I'm pretty sure I disregarded the comment before due to the fact you make no sense. You can become a wielder of "great power" by using either side of the Force, however, to become the most powerful you can possibly be, you turn to the dark side.
Hmm I wonbder what you get of that start using you own damm low IQ and read THE DARK SIDE IS STRONGER IN SOME SENSE (YOU WILL DIE) THAT ISN'T SO DAMM GREAT. I AM AN IDIOT.
1. I have a "damm low IQ", but you cannot even properly spell simple words, such as "wonder", "damn", and you have horrid grammar? Are you sure you're not a stand up comedian?
2. See above; already addressed.
3. You're an idiot.
The soul transfer that Sidious uses isn't even his own thats a jedimasters. I am an idiot.
Firstly, what the **** are you talking about? Secondly, how is that relevant to what we're discussing whatsoever?
Now you begin using you little brainless skull to actually read my meaning instead off just posting some shit that cannot be used for anything. I am an idiot.
Ditto #3, you're an idiot.
Originally posted by Advent
Before I even begin to dismantle what might pass for an "argument" (termed loosely) in your world, I'd like to point out that you did exactly say that you meant to prove that the light side was either equal, or stronger than the dark side in strength. Let me show you.I posed a [b]straightforward
question to you about what you meant when you posted the lines from ESB, here's exactly what I asked (not quoted for easier reading), and what you responded with:Advent: Are you trying to say that the lines Yoda spoke are accurate enough to base a conclusion that the light side is stronger, or that they're equal in terms of power?
Utrigita: And yes that I was I am saying.Now, you later contradict your words by claiming that "that's not what [you] meant (by your initial post)". See the problem? It's not that anyone misunderstood you, it's that you are simply an idiot. I argued against what you stated, I didn't misinterpret it. So, I'd advise you to go back to the sandlot, junior.
As par expected, the point completely flew over your head. What relevance does Yoda's age, and experience have in terms of opposing George Lucas' word? It has absolutely none. So, yes, it was a great idea, seeing as Yoda isn't real, and isn't all-knowing, whereas in terms of Star Wars, George Lucas is.
Okay, so I didn't get a thing you said, yet I stated the exact same thing that you explained below in one sentence? Makes sense:
Looks like you're the one who doesn't possess basic comprehension skills. And, your original point, however, was what I was responding to, as your implication was that the light side is more powerful in terms of strength.
As well, to add to what I stated above, I said the exact same thing when deciphering Yoda's seemingly ambiguous words:
Again, you prove your idiocy by your inability to even formulate proper sentences. 👆 Funny you would even think to mention me as having a "low I.Q.". Dumbass.
Yes, I've said as much, dolt, but Luke asked a direct question: "Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda responded by saying "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive", and he was wrong, point blank, because "power" in this context wasn't up for interpretation ("A Jedi's strength flows from the Force..."😉. George Lucas trumps him.
Thanks for the repost, pal. I'm pretty sure I disregarded the comment before due to the fact you make no sense. You can become a wielder of "great power" by using either side of the Force, however, to become the most powerful you can possibly be, you turn to the dark side.
1. I have a "damm low IQ", but you cannot even properly spell simple words, such as "wonder", "damn", and you have horrid grammar? Are you sure you're not a stand up comedian?
2. See above; already addressed.
3. You're an idiot.
Firstly, what the **** are you talking about? Secondly, how is that relevant to what we're discussing whatsoever?
Ditto #3, you're an idiot. [/B]
Sorry for the Bad gramma I am not English and by knowing that you probably are the way you are constantly working in gramma I am glad I'm isn't english.
One of my first questions was What is the highest Canon? you said GL fine by my. But I got angry when you just chooses to shot down Yoda a very experienced Jedimaster, so i reply if you would read again (you could use a new lesson in english) I wasn't arguing Yoda's words against GL but seen from the fact that yoda shouldn't be degraded down as you where doing. And you where asking if I from THAT AND ONLY FROM THAT statement would say that the light is stronger, and I while again, In seeing only at that statement said by Yoda I will say that the dark side is stronger. Do you now see our problem you asked if I'm from that alone would say that the light side is stronger and yes from that statement the light side is stronger, BUT ONLY SEE FROM THAT STATEMENT WHICH YOU ASKED ME TO MAKE A ASSUMPTION FROM.
you didn't ask me to look at other views at the subject, only look at Yodas and what does we get by only looking at Yoda.
"Is the dark side stronger?" Yoda responded by saying "No, no, no. Quicker, easier, more seductive". By looking at this statement you must be retarded to even make the assumption that the dark side is stronger. but of cause you can be, because you seemingly cannot even understand you own question.
1. No lets see how good you would be at writing Danish just for the fun, since I am do bad at writing english, I normally get A in english but when I get pissed off at some stupid blond trying to change my words and analyse them the way she finds fit then I get pissed of and cannot do the proper gramma
I think I will post this response on my own language 😄
2. du har ikke snakket om noget som helst gud fader bevares.
3. Måske men jeg vil hellere være en idiot end en tumpe der ikke engang kan forstå at analyserer en simpel tekst
En ting jeg dog ikke forstår ved dig er din manglende forståelse til at opfatte selv de laveste former for budskaber dine egne vel at mærke hvilket jeg faktisk finder direkte skræmmende
hoped you got it 😈
Oh sorry completly forgotten to responde to the soul transfer, a sith cannot devolop this technique to expand his life but a jedi can. The point is, and you missed it, that the dark side will kill you while the light side offers a new life, the light is stronger 💃 oh and by the way is it allowed to constantly change the replies, like you just did??? because them I think I am going to write moron after every single one, of you replies! just interestet.
Oh my Buddha, I'm not even going to bother responded to that pile of trash in a normal fashion.
If you knew how Star Wars, debating, and inquiring worked, you'd see how you're completely wrong. I asked if you believe the light side to be stronger based on the dialogue in ESB. When it comes down to determining that, you cannot merely disregard all the other aspects. To point out a few, you'd have to take into consideration the fact that Yoda's not omniscient, and thus fallible. You cannot base a conclusion on words by a character when trying to determine something absolute like that.
For a real world example, let's say we're listening to a baseball game on the radio. Commentator A claims "Wow, Player X is the best in the league currently!", does it have to be true simply because he said it? Absolutely not. We'd have to take into account the facts, like statistics, and whatnot, to see if it really is correct.
Obviously, that simple concept eluded your feeble mind. The same concept applies here, you cannot just toss aside everything else when you need to come to a verdict (unless the statement comes from an all-knowing subject). If that was the case, there would be no need for trials in criminal cases, simply because a victim reports a crime, it must be true.
Now, to get back on point, I expanded on exactly why Yoda's words are wrong using Lucas' quote, ergo my question needed to be looked upon further, something of which you apparently couldn't comprehend.
So, you fail. Utterly. Yet again.
Edit:
Originally posted by Utrigita
Oh sorry completly forgotten to responde to the soul transfer, a sith cannot devolop this technique to expand his life but a jedi can.
There's no such thing as "soul transfer". That term hasn't even been brought up in Star Wars to my knowledge (and that's a plethora of it). The closest thing that could even fit the description of transferring your soul (into what?) was Palpatine using his clone bodies. If it was a Jedi technique, prove up. Which you cannot do, because it's not.
Now, if by "soul transfer", you mean become a Force spirit, or Force ghost. Then, you're still wrong. Dark Lord of the Sith, Marka Ragnos, becomes a spirit:
Self-proclaimed Dark Lord of the Sith, Freedon Nadd, becomes a spirit:
Other notable examples include: Exar Kun, Ajunta Pall, Darth Nihilus, Darth Bane, Darth Adeduu. And, that's why you're a dumbass. Try again, little man.
Utrigita
Dark Side of the Force is stronger because it provides greater sense of freedom to a Jedi. A Jedi can progress more freely and quickly as a Dark Sider. Though this comes at a cost on Jedi's good-will.
The Dark Side focuses on Passion of a Jedi. A line in Sith Code exists and it is "Through Passion, I gain Strength". Passion refers to strong emotions. By envoking such emotions, a Jedi gets fueled by feeling of power and freedom.
Remember that sense of power is what gives you inspiration to achieve extra-ordinary deeds. Darth Revan once said "You must seek power above all else, with no reservation or hesitation".
The Sith Philosophy also relies on this concept because it encourages that only the strongest must rule. In this manner, the Sith remain strong and weakness gets eliminated among them. Though this can often lead to errors or mistakes because often exposure to dangerous situation is considered as a sign of weakness.
Although Yoda said that Fear is a path to Dark Side. But remember that it is the Jedi who fears the Dark Side itself. The Sith believe that Jedi are afraid to embrace there true strengths that comes from the Dark Side. A Jedi understands his true strength when he is free to judge his actions and is no longer restricted and is inspired by sense of power.
Thus these lines exist in Sith Code:
- Through power, I gain victory.
- Through victory, my chains are broken.
The chains refer to imposed restrictions on Jedi through Jedi philososphy.
Darth Sidious once said "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural".
This means that since Dark Side provides you with greater sense of freedom, then this gives you more space for enhancing your skills through experiments and training. Many offensive Force abilities are Dark Sided in nature. Offensive Force powers give you sense of Dominance and thus Sith rely on such capabilities to dominate their adversaries.
An example is Force Lightning. It is a very effective Dark Side technique and is fatal to living bodies. Darth Sidious and Darth Malak were both master practitioners of Force Lightning and used it on various occassions to crush opponents.
Additionally many abilities and techniques can be created by Sith. Dark Side is a path that allows endless progress and imposes no restrictions. An art called "Sith Alchemy" also fits in this case.
Light Side is weaker because it is about controlling your emotions and this restricts your sense of freedom and power.
I think that this explanation will be easier for you to understand.
Originally posted by Advent
Oh my Buddha, I'm not even going to bother responded to that pile of trash in a normal fashion.If you knew how Star Wars, debating, and inquiring worked, you'd see how you're completely wrong. I asked if you believe the light side to be stronger based on the dialogue in ESB. When it comes down to determining that, you cannot merely disregard all the other aspects. To point out a few, you'd [b]have
to take into consideration the fact that Yoda's not omniscient, and thus fallible. You cannot base a conclusion on words by a character when trying to determine something absolute like that.For a real world example, let's say we're listening to a baseball game on the radio. Commentator A claims "Wow, Player X is the best in the league currently!", does it have to be true simply because he said it? Absolutely not. We'd have to take into account the facts, like statistics, and whatnot, to see if it really is correct.
Obviously, that simple concept eluded your feeble mind. The same concept applies here, you cannot just toss aside everything else when you need to come to a verdict (unless the statement comes from an all-knowing subject). If that was the case, there would be no need for trials in criminal cases, simply because a victim reports a crime, it must be true.
Now, to get back on point, I expanded on exactly why Yoda's words are wrong using Lucas' quote, ergo my question needed to be looked upon further, something of which you apparently couldn't comprehend.
So, you fail. Utterly. Yet again. [/B]
I am new in this part of the Forum so when a respect member asks me to do come to a conslusion from one statement I really isn't gonna debate that subject and take other things into perspective and because like you said my IQ is possible low because I am doing as I am told.
And what If we doesn't have them, by the hand. Then what are we going to do, are we going to to say, no the speaker is wrong. And doesn't watch baseball.
And I would like to reply that None is all knowing not even you GL in the real world which you like to get examples from. And you do know that if a murder is commited and you find a name written by the dead then that statement alone would be enough to actually send that person to jail. Sorry you real world example is a little flawed
And again I only answered you question from one point of view that was all I did, and you throw a shit dump at me 🤨
And again are it allowed to change a persons replies??? thus manipulating them? I guess not because only a really stupid and feeble minded person would do such thing and apparently you put yourself far above such a thing.
Go and read the Dark Sword Durga the hutt uses a former scientist how worked at the death star and was executed numorous times by Sidious and yet each time Sidious transfer his soul into a new body. What do you think saved Palpatine at endor his charming smile??? For the first time I can say come again (Luder)
And thanks S_W_LeGenD I know what the dark side is in comparison to the light even though it doesn't seem that way. I know it is more power and so on giving more freedom and all that but overall its a curse. But thanks anyway
Originally posted by Advent
So a chain link fence of text is easier to understand than "If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side which is the Dark Side"?
Yes but maybe that was because that I have decided to shout out everything you said.
Listen I am sorry for given the wrong impression, in powerthemes yes the Dark is stronger, but in the overall I still believe the light to be the strongest sorry for not pointing that out 😮
Originally posted by Utrigita
I am new in this part of the Forum so when a respect member asks me to do come to a conslusion from one statement I really isn't gonna debate that subject and take other things into perspective and because like you said my IQ is possible low because I am doing as I am told.
LOL! What does me being a well respected user have to do with anything? It's impossible to make an accurate conclusion on just words, without reviewing the situation further (again, unless the spoken words come from an all-knowing individual, or a situation in a similar fashion).
And what If we doesn't have them, by the hand. Then what are we going to do, are we going to to say, no the speaker is wrong. And doesn't watch baseball.
If we don't have the statistics, and other various tools of comparison? Then we cannot make the conclusion, at all (that he's right, or wrong), but you came to a verdict in this situation, regardless.
And I would like to reply that None is all knowing not even you GL in the real world which you like to get examples from.
George Lucas is infallible when he speaks about Star Wars. Likewise, when comic book creators, who have absolute control of their respective comics make a statement pertaining to their own work, they're right when they make a statement like "Superguy X is faster than Superguy B", etc.
And you do know that if a murder is commited and you find a name written by the dead then that statement alone would be enough to actually send that person to jail. Sorry you real world example is a little flawed
No, you're rebuttal is what's flawed, Mr. McCoy (kudos to those who get that; which, in actuality, should be everyone).
So, you're telling me that if one finds, for example, a letter that written by the victim that says "Person X killed me! ARHHG!", then by that alone, the alleged murderer would be found guilty? Then you truly have no understanding of law.
Why? Because, for starters, the medical examiner may find evidence that links the victim to a different person, or the alleged killer has a solid alibi, backed up by a respectable witness, or there could've been a witness that saw exactly what happened, and could identify the real murderer, which isn't Person X, or the crime scene investigators could've found materials that prove otherwise.
You see? There's a plethora of different reasons as to why the supposed killer is, in reality, innocent. So, no, my example wasn't flawed. QED, *****.
Edit:
Hell, if what you wrote was true, there'd probably be so many innocent people in jail right now. Since there isn't (well, there probably is, but they are found guilty by actual reason, and conference), that's just testament that you were wrong in trying to jump the gun, and answer without considering anything else.
And again are it allowed to change a persons replies??? thus manipulating them? I guess not because only a really stupid and feeble minded person would do such thing and apparently you put yourself far above such a thing.
Right, so if I change someone's posts, I am "stupid" and "feeble minded" (I noticed you stole this from my vocabulary; learn a new word everyday, don'tcha'?)?
Yet, I attend college, and receive good markings (save for math, I hate it with a passion). Alright then, I guess the percentage of the world that I'm smarter than must be consider mentally retarded then, which includes you.
Are you not a respected user sorry then I must have thought you someone els.
And yes we can still make the assumption that he is good but we have only one thing to work with (I can now see that aren't good at math)
No you cannot say that a writer has 100% control over his person/universe I spend a lot of time in comic vs forum and there I have learned that a writer in there has SHIT to say every moves in changing his character, has to be approved by either Marvel ore DC and by the other writes in question els he cannot write that person A can beat person B when person B can defeat person C which person A cannot defeat, so sorry that is no the way it works good try though which is why the books sometimes contradicts themselves and GL cannot go out everytime and correct something if he did, he couldn't do anything els.
Lets say we find a victim killed in a bankvault, we have near to nothing to work with but then we find a handwritten note where is says that person X killed me because Person X closed the door, It rarely happens that the victim can writte it down that is why it when it is done is consideret very strong evidence.
True you learn something every day, and I thought I was going to use you own words and still my question is that allowed, of cause I can always ask the moderators.
Then it would pain you to know that in my country I am straight A sorry In a mathematic line hate langauge.
And a girl with just the lowerst form of brainactivity wouldn't have changed a reply/manipulated one, I wonder which school you are attending, not a good one els you parents are wasting there money.
Good Buddha, Utrigita! You're still typing? You've lost, get over it, you cannot beat me. Meh, oh well. I'll continue for the time being, this is kind of fun.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Are you not a respected user sorry then I must have thought you someone els.
Originally posted by allfg
the best are Advent, AcStyles, Gideon, and Zephiel, and in that order too.
Originally posted by Kadesh
we would pwn cuz this section has the best debators, namely gideon advent LS styles and sexy
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Clearly respected, and according to popular belief (there's an innumerable amount of posts on the "top" debaters), one of the best.
Oh, and if you can read, I asked what me being "respected" has to do with anything. I'll take note that you skirted the question, and responded with something that you cannot even get out of my statement. Seeing as I never said I wasn't respected, and acknowledged that I, indeed, am.
And yes we can still make the assumption that he is good but we have only one thing to work with (I can now see that aren't good at math)
Except that isn't the situation here, nor is it what my examples was demonstrating, or even asked, Mr. McCoy.
It doesn't matter if we can say if he's just "good", we're not discussing that. We have to make a conclusion that he's "the best in the league", because that is what the commentator stated, and that is what we're trying to find out (if he's [the commentator] really correct, or not). And, that is something we cannot do without considering statistics, and other current, updated sources.
So, try again. I can now see that you aren't good at, well, anything.
No you cannot say that a writer has 100% control over his person/universe
Well, that's good for me, seeing as I said "creator", and I stated in specifics what type of control he has over his comic, I said "absolute control", meaning he isn't restricted by his contractor, or whatever company publishes the comic. So, all that time you've been jerking off in the Comic Book 'Versus' Forum didn't do you too much good.
See below for further expansion.
I spend a lot of time in comic vs forum
Oh, so that's why you're so clueless! It all makes sense now. The Comic Book 'Versus' Forum is pretty much riddled with idiots, majority of which have grammar that would make my third grade English teacher puke. And, how can I forget the fact they wouldn't know logic if it smacked them in the face (some of them, not all - Nikkolas, for example, knows his shit).
and there I have learned that a writer in there has SHIT to say every moves in changing his character, has to be approved by either Marvel ore DC
See above. I laughed out loud.
Since when is making a comic book a trademark of only Marvel, and DC Comics? As I thought, never.
So, if an independent creator decides to redesign, or state various things regarding the physical attributes, or magical power of one character to another, they have to receive approval from Marvel, and DC? Rofl. Not every comic book has to be licensed under the two aforesaid companies.
Plus, my example was about a creator who has "absolute control", meaning he can do whatever the **** he wants, whenever the **** he wants, so you fail. Utterly. Yet again. You're even denser than I had previously thought.
and by the other writes in question els he cannot write that person A can beat person B when person B can defeat person C which person A cannot defeat, so sorry that is no the way it works
See above; try to make sense next time. I don't speak Finnish (as that's what this steaming pile of shit looks like).
good try though which is why the books sometimes contradicts themselves and GL cannot go out everytime and correct something if he did, he couldn't do anything els.
Again, try to make sense next time. I don't speak Finnish (as that's what this steaming pile of shit looks like).
Now, the book example you gave, is - like almost everything you're gross fingers touch - irrelevant. I said when George Lucas speaks, he cannot be trumped. Such as, in this matter. If he says "The dark side is stronger", then it is. Absolutely nothing can question that. So, what the **** do books have to do with that? Oh? Nothing? Thought not.
Lets say we find a victim killed in a bankvault, we have near to nothing to work with but then we find a handwritten note where is says that person X killed me because Person X closed the door, It rarely happens that the victim can writte it down that is why it when it is done is consideret very strong evidence.
Except that has nothing to do with my point. My point was that, if we used your line of thinking, there's no way to get around being guilty if a victim claims you to have committed a criminal act on him/her, or if you're linked to a crime.
However, as we see, the Justice System doesn't work that way, and we have to consider other evidence, and reasonings. Thus, you're wrong. I'm not going to bother to directly respond to your faulty example, because it's rather off the point, and stupid, for lack of a better word.
True you learn something every day
In your case? I don't think so, because you're 19 years old (I'm two years older, so respect your elders, bizatch), yet there's no way you've learned 7,000 plus things, seeing as you're still a dimwitted buffoon.
and I thought I was going to use you own words and still my question is that allowed, of cause I can always ask the moderators.
Go for it.
Does it really look like a care if I get a warning, temporary suspension, or permanent ban? No, it's an internet forum. Not anything important.
Then it would pain you to know that in my country I am straight A sorry In a mathematic line hate langauge.
It only pains me to know that a boy who's mentally handicapped can achieve an "A".
But, then again, I keep on forgetting you're in the special education class. Either that, or your teacher is a complete dumbass, which wouldn't come as a shock to me given what I've seen from you. Actually, I have my doubts that you're even in school, because my sister had displayed more intelligence at age 7 than of what I've seen of you during this entire argument.
And a girl with just the lowerst form of brainactivity wouldn't have changed a reply/manipulated one, I wonder which school you are attending, not a good one els you parents are wasting there money.
And I'd wonder if you even attend school.
