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Originally posted by Kadesh
too bad the one about sidious got closed, It is true the DESB said "it is believed", I dont know why lightsnake keeps pointing out he mastered everything and i seem to follow
Remember that^? That's the situation here.
Originally posted by allfgExactly, and i was in denail that sidious mastered everything at that time till i accepted the fact that he did,
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=433396Remember that^? That's the situation here.
Novels indicated that he has been studying ancient sith holocrons and according to FOC, he has an entire museum of sith holocrons which he studied and those holocrons date back to as far as the ancient sith
FOC backs up of what DESB said
Originally posted by allfg
1. It's never said that he mastered every aspect of the force.2. Mastering the Darkside and Sith Magic =/ Mastering Every Aspect of the Force.
3. While my post PT knowledge is pretty lacking, I'm pretty sure that Palpatine didn't ever master the White Current.
1. Hee mastered alot of techniques including nihilus force drain and alot of ancient sith techniques according to FOC and several novels which indicates that for the past 19 years between ROTS and ANH, he has been studying the aspects of the force going to every part of the galaxy so what DESB said is highly considered
3. Idiot the white current is also known as the force, its what the fallanasi called it damfool. And if you are talking about the fallanasi technique, sidious knows it because one of them joined him and since he is on a quest to master the aspects of the force, he made the fallanasi teach him what they knew
Originally posted by RiverollvHe mastered more tecnhniques than luke and yet luke > him because lukes raw power > that of sidious. As gideon pointed out luke would lose in a force fight because luke doesnt have enough offensive powers other than emerald lightning
Sidios did not master every aspect of the force. If he had, he would be the most powerful SW being ever, and hes not
As escape said, Sidious has vastly more knowledge than Luke or any other force user in the SW Galaxy. Luke has more raw and force abilities than Sidious and would possibly be able to defend himself against Sidious' force storm by rooting himself into the heart of the force as he did in the NJO novels. However, Sidious DOES have more weapons in his arsenal while Luke has emerald lightning.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
As escape said, Sidious has vastly more knowledge than Luke or any other force user in the SW Galaxy. Luke has more raw and force abilities than Sidious and would possibly be able to defend himself against Sidious' force storm by rooting himself into the heart of the force as he did in the NJO novels. However, Sidious DOES have more weapons in his arsenal while Luke has emerald lightning.
Bingo.
I understand that Luke's raw power is much more potent than Sidious's own, but Sidious is the more experienced fighter and the one with more knowledge and mastery of the Force. He is also capable of producing the most destructive Force power we've seen, without aid or assistance from other people or artifacts. Luke could most definately defeat the Emperor in a lightsaber duel - if this is him in TUF, which, again, is sort of unfair considering how he "placed himself in the heart of the Force" as Darth Sexy elaborated on.
But the Force fight? I hardly think it'll be a slaughter, if Luke can even win. Even when he is "in the heart of the Force", he is not invincible or invulnerable, and fatigue can still set in. It just basically means he's on steroids, and it is likely that given the boost of power, it leaves him drained and evaporates quickly.
The bottom line: I don't dispute that Luke has this in a lightsaber fight [if this is him in TUF, then he can take it without too much difficulty]. However, even in his "uber-mode", I don't see him owning Sidious in the Force. I can very much see him dying.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My point about Luke rooting himself into the heart of the force is that is a valid counter attack to Sidious' potent force storm.
No, it isn't. You don't know that. Luke wasn't invincible even then - and Sidious's Force Storms can obliterate anything it comes across, be it Force users or entire fleets. There is no reason to believe that he would be immune to a Force Storm without proper deduction or any hints within the text.
If it said: "Luke was all but invincible to Force attacks in this mode", then I'd believe it. If it doesn't, all you have is a theory.
Originally posted by Gideon
Bingo.I understand that Luke's raw power is much more potent than Sidious's own, but Sidious is the more experienced fighter and the one with more knowledge and mastery of the Force. He is also capable of producing the most destructive Force power we've seen, without aid or assistance from other people or artifacts. Luke could most definately defeat the Emperor in a lightsaber duel - if this is him in TUF, which, again, is sort of unfair considering how he "placed himself in the heart of the Force" as Darth Sexy elaborated on.
But the Force fight? I hardly think it'll be a slaughter, if Luke can even win. Even when he is "in the heart of the Force", he is not invincible or invulnerable, and fatigue can still set in. It just basically means he's on steroids, and it is likely that given the boost of power, it leaves him drained and evaporates quickly.
The bottom line: I don't dispute that Luke has this in a lightsaber fight [if this is him in TUF, then he can take it without too much difficulty]. However, even in his "uber-mode", I don't see him owning Sidious in the Force. I can very much see him dying.
thats exactly my point. Sidious would most likely kill Luke in a Force fight, but... Sidious doesnt dominate "every aspect of the Force"... does he?