Originally posted by Darth Sexy
It's a logical theory escape. If the quote states that even a black hole(which if we've studied physics, we could derive to be more powerful than a force storm) couldn't move him, what makes you think a force storm could?
Don't turn into Glentract, Darth Sexy. We can quantify the power of a black hole, but I don't think we can do so for a Force Storm. Glentract might be able to quantify the bare minimum power that a Force Storm has (destroying a fleet) but considering how it did such a thing effortlessly, it is impossible to compare a Force Storm's apex to a black hole.
And such a thing could be considered hyperbole, considering how if that were true, Luke would have been invincible. But we know that he wasn't, Shimrra nearly killed him and he was exhausted. Such a power is phenomenal, but it doesn't last long and it greatly tires the user.
Originally posted by Gideon
Don't turn into Glentract, Darth Sexy. We can quantify the power of a black hole, but I don't think we can do so for a Force Storm. Glentract might be able to quantify the bare minimum power that a Force Storm has (destroying a fleet) but considering how it did such a thing effortlessly, it is impossible to compare a Force Storm's apex to a black hole.And such a thing could be considered hyperbole, considering how if that were true, Luke would have been invincible. But we know that he wasn't, Shimrra nearly killed him and he was exhausted. Such a power is phenomenal, but it doesn't last long and it greatly tires the user.
You're right it doesn't last forever, however I'm not turning into Glentract. A force storm from what we have seen, wipes out fleets. A black hole can wipe out an entire planet, if not an entire system. From a physics standpoint, as powerful as a force storm is, I don't think it pales in comparison to a black hole. My point is Luke has some credibility here when discussing possible ways to block the force storm.
A small post before I go out for the night, but Utrigita, are you trying to say that the lines Yoda spoke are accurate enough to base a conclusion that the light side is stronger, or that they're equal in terms of power? If so, you're totally wrong.
Yoda's words are cryptic, one could just be assuming that he's claiming that the Dark side isn't more powerful due to the fact you will eventually fall (as that's your "destiny" as a dark sider), and that's all. Indeed, that's probably the only logical assumption to make, otherwise Yoda was lying to Luke, seeing as the highest form of canon, George Lucas, has stated the following:
Originally posted by George Lucas on AotC DVD Commentary
"The key part of this scene ultimately is Anakin saying "I'm not going to let this happen again." We're cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi. The only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark Side because the Dark Side is more powerful. If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side which is the Dark Side, but ultimately it would be your undoing. But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed to keep things and to not let go of things and to allow the natural course of life to go on, which is that things come and go, and to be able to accept the changes that happen around you and not want to keep moments forever frozen in time."
As you can see clearly, the dark side is more powerful; so, the quote made by Yoda holds no value.
Originally posted by Advent
A small post before I go out for the night, but Utrigita, are you trying to say that the lines Yoda spoke are accurate enough to base a conclusion that the light side is stronger, or that they're equal in terms of power? If so, you're totally wrong.Yoda's words are cryptic, one could just be assuming that he's claiming that the Dark side isn't more powerful due to the fact you will eventually fall (as that's your "destiny" as a dark sider), and that's all. Indeed, that's probably the only logical assumption to make, otherwise Yoda was lying to Luke, seeing as the highest form of canon, George Lucas, has stated the following:
As you can see clearly, the dark side is more powerful; so, the quote made by Yoda holds no value.
And yes that I was I am saying. Yoda is a near 900 years old Jedimaster how in his time has battled multiply dark side users and in reality only lost one of those fights, and that wasn't even because of him not being able to do defeat sidious if order 66 hasn't been executed before he encounteret Sidious.
I can see that but I also asked what was the highest form of canon since I was stopped between Lucas and the film.
Yes the dark side is stronger in some sense but the Light will always be victorious and you will only attain great power if you have a great desire for using that power "But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed"
So actually only in some sense is the dark side stronger then the light.
(funny how the Dark side that is the strongest actually always get there asses kicked by a much lesser force 😄 )
Funny that a female should be on Star Wars only thought it was male that was that kind of geeks 😉
Originally posted by kamikz
Well when Sidious is loading for a force storm, doesn't that leave him open for any attacks by Luke?
Also, if Sidious does one on a scale that took out fleets, he should die himself seeing as if it'll drag a neraby Luke into it, it will effect him as well....
Sidious loading for a Force Storm hasn't been shown to take a massive amount of time. The longest we've seen him take is when he monologued to Luke and Leia after his hand was amputated, and even then, we don't know if that was necessary to build up the energy, and I believe that Force Storm was one of the largest he'd created. So I don't think it'll be enough time for Luke to kill him.
And, lastly, Kamikz, let's be realistic. If Sidious knows he's going to die, wouldn't that be something he would do? If he knows he's going to lose, he strikes me as the kind've person that would take anyone he could with him - out of spite.
Like I said. Luke will not be owning Sidious at all.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And yes that I was I am saying.
Originally posted by Advent
If so, you're totally wrong.
Yoda's age is entirely irrelevant, as well his experience, as he would say, "matters not". If you contained the slightest bit of intelligence, you'd see that. Yoda is an in-universe source, meaning he's subject to being fallible, and he's not omniscient (thus why his age, and experience don't count for jack shit in this matter).
In terms of power - the dark side is more powerful, and seeing as George Lucas, who is infallible when it comes to Star Wars, and cannot be argued with, at all (when it comes to outright stated things, with no wiggle room), has stated my perspective in direct terms, Yoda was wrong, and you are, too.
Even if you want to consider the movies, and Lucas on the same canonic level, you are still incorrect. Why? Because, as I mentioned, Yoda's word is subjective, and George Lucas' word is not; it's gospel.
And no, there's no way to get around the fact that in terms of power, the dark side is stronger. So, stop while you're behind, because you were trying to prove the opposite (or that they're equal in strength), and failed utterly.
Like I said, the light side is only "better" in the way that you won't "ultimately fall" as you're destined to do on the dark path. In strength? It's weaker. The reason I'm repeating myself is to get the point through your thick, and minuscule skull. Oh, and I find it comedic how a ten year old child is attempting to argue with me, and George Lucas, as I'm sure everyone else does. As well, "geek"? Please, son.
Originally posted by Gideon
Sidious loading for a Force Storm hasn't been shown to take a massive amount of time. The longest we've seen him take is when he monologued to Luke and Leia after his hand was amputated, and even then, we don't know if that was necessary to build up the energy, and I believe that Force Storm was one of the largest he'd created. So I don't think it'll be enough time for Luke to kill him.And, lastly, Kamikz, let's be realistic. If Sidious knows he's going to die, wouldn't that be something he would do? If he knows he's going to lose, he strikes me as the kind've person that would take anyone he could with him - out of spite.
Like I said. Luke [B]will not
be owning Sidious at all. [/B]
Didn't we say about 5 seconds? Anyway, even that is enough. If Sidious is gonna focus on that, he will be open for any attack that Luke can pull.
Yeah, I never argued that Sidious wouldn't do it, I just stated that he would die as well, so it wouldn't be really necessary for him to pull one of the largest unless he was going to die as well, and even then, I don't know if he can get the largest one without Luke interrupting him...
The biggest advantage Luke has is that he actually knows what Sidious can pull off, there is no way in hell he is gonna let him create a force storm.
Nope, Luke won't own...
Originally posted by Advent
Yoda's age is [b]entirely irrelevant, as well his experience, as he would say, "matters not". If you contained the slightest bit of intelligence, you'd see that. Yoda is an in-universe source, meaning he's subject to being fallible, and he's not omniscient (thus why his age, and experience don't count for jack shit in this matter).In terms of power - the dark side is more powerful, and seeing as George Lucas, who is infallible when it comes to Star Wars, and cannot be argued with, at all (when it comes to outright stated things, with no wiggle room), has stated my perspective in direct terms, Yoda was wrong, and you are, too.
Even if you want to consider the movies, and Lucas on the same canonic level, you are still incorrect. Why? Because, as I mentioned, Yoda's word is subjective, and George Lucas' word is not; it's gospel.
And no, there's no way to get around the fact that in terms of power, the dark side is stronger. So, stop while you're behind, because you were trying to prove the opposite (or that they're equal in strength), and failed utterly.
Like I said, the light side is only "better" in the way that you won't "ultimately fall" as you're destined to do on the dark path. In strength? It's weaker. The reason I'm repeating myself is to get the point through your thick, and minuscule skull. Oh, and I find it comedic how a ten year old child is attempting to argue with me, and George Lucas, as I'm sure everyone else does. As well, "geek"? Please, son. [/B]
OH yes lets call a 900 years old jedi master that have battled numorous dark side users and only lost to one lets call his statement irrelavant great idea 👆
Sorry you didn't get a word of what I was saying none apparently did, I was analysing his words yes the Dark side is Stronger sure, can the light side destroy a planet, great a force storm and so on NO it cannot in that way it is the most powerful for causing destruction mayham suffering and so on but you will always "fall" (die) from using its terrible powers Lucas own Words, in that way light side>dark Side that is what Lucas says read you own post and use you eyes to actually read what Lucas says.
My thick skull the things I just posted
:Yes the dark side is stronger in some sense but the Light will always be victorious and you will only attain great power if you have a great desire for using that power "But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed"
So actually only in some sense is the dark side stronger then the light.:
Hmm I wonbder what you get of that start using you own damm low IQ and read THE DARK SIDE IS STRONGER IN SOME SENSE (YOU WILL DIE) THAT ISN'T SO DAMM GREAT. The soul transfer that Sidious uses isn't even his own thats a jedimasters.
Now you begin using you little brainless skull to actually read my meaning instead off just posting some shit that cannot be used for anything.
Originally posted by kamikz
For crying out loud, use periods.We are arguing that the dark side is stronger in battle, and it is. The light side is good in it's own way, but in a fight the dark is better. You weren't arguing this I hope!
Sorry hates gramma and isn't even English.
No but I was doing a analyse on the words by George Lucas, which himself said that only in some sense is the dark side stronger agree 100% on the dark side being best for destruction and so on. I was mearly discussing with advent weather ore not the dark side is when everything is concluded the strongest (the strongest philosophy) but none seems to get that and think that I am arguing for the light side being more destructive then the dark side.
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