Originally posted by RealityWarper
Equals ?The portrayal of the characters doesn't show them on the same planet skill-wise, even that's a crossover Batman is portrayed as a more skilled character.
More skilled? Since it states that the kick was more startling than painful, I don't see how it has any bearing on their skill.
You can get startled by a three-year old kicking you in the stomach - doesn't mean the toddler can now kick your butt in a fight.
Since this is pure H2H, my vote goes to Iron Fist. If it was a full-on fight, no holding back with Bats allowed to use all his tricks and gear, my vote would go for him.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Batman is far superior in h2h.
AGREED.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
More skilled? Since it states that the kick was more startling than painful, I don't see how it has any bearing on their skill.You can get startled by a three-year old kicking you in the stomach - doesn't mean the toddler can now kick your butt in a fight.
Since this is pure H2H, my vote goes to Iron Fist. If it was a full-on fight, no holding back with Bats allowed to use all his tricks and gear, my vote would go for him.
Batman is a lot more skilled in H2H.
His battle tactics are better, he has a better ratio against more skilled peak humans than Danny and on top of that his pressure-points techniques proves him on another level than Iron Fist.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
The most probable winner is Batman. He will take out Iron Fist with a single nerve strike:
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Batman isn't even the best H2H fighter in the Bat family, according to his writer. He's number #3, ranked after Dick Grayson.
He is till better than Danny feat wise in term of battle tactics and hand-to-hand skills.
I don't see how his rating in the Bat-family matters at all.
On the other hand, Danny is still below the likes of Captain America and Wolverine skill-wise and both have always been portrayed at Batman-level.
Pressure points might work against completely unskilled opponents, who have never trained in any form of martial arts, but that is meaningless against a skilled opponent.
Danny don't have any pressure-point feats at Batman-level, it is very dubious he could defend against it.
Danny failed to affected the Hulk and Spider-man with his pressure-point attacks while Batman was able to paralyse or disable superhuman beings.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
Batman isn't even the best H2H fighter in the Bat family, according to his writer. He's number #3, ranked after Dick Grayson.Pressure points might work against completely unskilled opponents, who have never trained in any form of martial arts, but that is meaningless against a skilled opponent.
Originally posted by RealityWarper
1) He is till better than Danny feat wise in term of battle tactics and hand-to-hand skills.2) I don't see how his rating in the Bat-family matters at all.
3) On the other hand, Danny is still below the likes of Captain America and Wolverine skill-wise and both have always been portrayed at Batman-level.
4) Danny don't have any pressure-point feats at Batman-level, it is very dubious he could defend against it.
5) Danny failed to affected the Hulk and Spider-man with his pressure-point attacks while Batman was able to paralyse or disable superhuman beings.
1) Battle tactics yes, H2H no.
2) You don't see how the fact that Batman isn't even the best H2H fighter in the Bat family, never mind the DC universe, matters in a H2H fight? Okay.
3) Every Marvel ranking I've seen put Iron Fist above Cap and Wolverine. Would you care to share a link?
Here is mine: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=451069&pagenumber=5
4) Again, demonstrating pressure point-feats against unskilled opponents is meaningless, but if you want to insist:
Here Danny demonstrates a nerve pinch on an unskilled opponent.
https://i.imgur.com/p9afpKn.jpg
Here Danny reflects on his capabilities, specifically mentioning the Black-Black Poison Touch.
https://i.imgur.com/ZiRi3br.jpg
5) Your very own post proves the opposite, as it specifically states that Batman's kick didn't hurt the Hulk, it startled him.
To counter: Here are two posts demonstrating Danny's speed:
Catching a bullet after he's been poisoned:
https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpg
Moving several feet to catch a bullet when a woman pulls a trigger to kill herself.
http://imgur.com/a/Fup9N
Originally posted by Dreampanther
1) Battle tactics yes, H2H no.
Sure. Danny get rag-dolled by Cap while he fights on an equal ground with Batman.
That means that Batman his more skilled than Danny while the latter has to rely on his Iron Fist to try to fight on an equal ground.
2) You don't see how the fact that Batman isn't even the best H2H fighter in the Bat family, never mind the DC universe, matters in a H2H fight? Okay.
That "argument" is pointless. The point is to compare Danny and Bruce skills.
3) Every Marvel ranking I've seen put Iron Fist above Cap and Wolverine. Would you care to share a link?
Here is mine: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=451069&pagenumber=5
Your opinion on the matter is just an opinion.
By feats, Danny is inferior in skills to many in the Marvel Universe whom are equal to Batman.
4) Again, demonstrating pressure point-feats against unskilled opponents is meaningless, but if you want to insist:Here Danny demonstrates a nerve pinch on an unskilled opponent.
https://i.imgur.com/p9afpKn.jpg
ROFL.
That"s not even in a combat situation.
Danny comes from being a mob and headlock him while applying the pressure point.
I showed to you Batman pressure-pointing opponents in combat.
Your scan is irrelevant.
Here Danny reflects on his capabilities, specifically mentioning the Black-Black Poison Touch.
https://i.imgur.com/ZiRi3br.jpg
Do you mind showing Danny using it on an opponent statements can't be taken as face-value if they aren't backed-up by feats.
5) Your very own post proves the opposite, as it specifically states that Batman's kick didn't hurt the Hulk, it startled him.
It affected the Hulk while Danny's kick did literally nothing.
The difference is vast.
To counter: Here are two posts demonstrating Danny's speed:Catching a bullet after he's been poisoned:
https://i.imgur.com/mzHglT3.jpgMoving several feet to catch a bullet when a woman pulls a trigger to kill herself.
http://imgur.com/a/Fup9N
Those two scans are pointless.
I showed you Batman engaging and beating opponents in an hand-to-hand situation twice.
You are trying to move the goalpost to Danny avoiding projectiles which completely off topic.
If you want to argue for Danny hand-to-hand skills you have to post feats related to hand-to-hand skills.
Originally posted by RealityWarper1) Your opinion on the matter is just an opinion.
2) By feats, Danny is inferior in skills to many in the Marvel Universe whom are equal to Batman.
3) It affected the Hulk while Danny's kick did literally nothing.
4) You are trying to move the goalpost to Danny avoiding projectiles which completely off topic.
First, your scans: Again your own scans prove you a liar. In that same issue, Cap remarks on the fact that Danny is pulling his punches, even though he doesn't know why. And that backhand from Danny that Cap catches on his shield, which is supposed to absorb kinetic energy, still sends Cap flying through a wall.
Would you like me to post those scans?
Next, your claims/statements.
1) So is yours.
2) Proof?
3) So now we have moved from "paralysed and disabled" to "affected". Lol. Just call it what it was: Startled.
4) So now catching bullets has somehow become avoiding projectiles?
I must confess, I am very impressed by your ability to look at a scan, completely ignore what is there and state with complete confidence that it means something else.
There is a huge difference between dodging bullets and catching them, a feat Batman has never even attempted. For good reason.
He can't do it. Because he's not in Danny's class.
