Originally posted by cdtm
If his speed isn't enhanced, how do you explain catching a sniper round at point blank range? (Sniper guns tend to be more powerful then small arms, and thus faster.)
Which instance are you speaking about ?
By the way I think that you are oversimplificating my posts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qY0DA7DG9s
Aim-dodging bullets is still irrelevant to that thread.
Originally posted by cdtm
From an Immortal Iron Fist annual. Can post scans later, but his back was essentially to the window, and he caught the shot in his hand.
I know what you are referring to...
There was no sniper, the Hydra agents all used automatic rifles. Danny sensed them a long time before they began to shoot, the shot was going through a window, etc...
But that's completely irrelevant to a hand-to-hand combat situation so I don't get why you are bringing that feat.
Do you want to Battlezone with me ?
Originally posted by RealityWarper
[B]1) Iron Fist isn't "pulling his punches". He is even surprised that Captain America is able to roll with the blows.
2) "Pulling the punches" doesn't reduce the skill, unfortunately this argument is invalid.
3) You failed to provide evidence by posting irrelevancies so far...
4) I presented evidence for everything so that's my opinion.
5) I already posted multiples examples of Batman one-shotting superhuman with light touches, Danny has nothing on that order.
6) I compared the effects of the attacks that both did to the Hulk. Danny did nothing. Batman provoked an involuntary reflexes. That means that Batman's skills are superior to Danny as it have been demonstrated many times in that thread.
7) That's on the same order, an irrelevancy. That's a typical red herring from someone whom is trying to avoid posting hand-to-hand feats which are asked in that thread.
8) You must confess that you are borrowing the account of a friend because if nobody noticed I know who you are. After the irrelevancies, the personal attacks.
9) There is something that they have in common. None of those feats are relevant to that thread. Now, if you have no relevant feats to add to that thread please restrain responding to me again. You obviously want to spam irrelevancies and I'm not interested in reading them again.
1) Either you are woefully misinformed or you are deliberately being deceitful, but this directly contradicts your statement.
2) "Pulling your punches" literally means not hitting the other fighter as hard as you can. Perhaps you simply do not understand English idioms, or how holding back means a fighter is not fighting to the best of his abilities because he does not want to hurt his opponent? This might prove helpful:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pull+punches
3) I asked if you wanted me to post the scans. Since you insist, I will post some at 5) (I can see why you didn't want them posted).
4) When you present evidence, you don't need an opinion. That's what evidence does, it proves something true or false, so your opinion is redundant.
5) Since you insisted:
Iron Fist taking out Nightcrawler, Wolverine and sending Colossus flying.
Iron Fist taking out Hercules in one punch.
Iron Fist taking out Luke Cage with a kick and a punch
Iron Fist taking Cage out with a single punch.
6) You mean you were wrong (either deliberately or through ignorance, just like when you claimed Danny didn't pull his punches) when you first stated Batman's attack "paralysed and disabled". Then you backpedaled to"affected", and now it has become "provoking an involuntary reflex". Just say it: Startled. Batman S-T-A-R-T-L-E-D the Hulk, which does prove, in fact, that Batman was better at startling the Hulk than Danny was.
7) First: Who, not whom. You only use whom when you refer to the object of a verb or preposition, not the subject. But hey, at least you tried.
Second: You think handspeed is irrelevant in a fight? You think it is irrelevant that a trained martial artist shows the ability to catch a bullet in flight? Or are you just trying to obfuscate the fact that you, again, ignored the evidence and somehow turned "catching a bullet' into "avoiding a projectile"?
8) Now this, honestly, made me smile. I don't know who you think I am or whose account I am borrowing, but I am dying of curiosity. So, who do you think I am? And who is my friend? In case you haven't noticed, I live in South Africa. The closest thing I have to friends here on KMC is the people I interact regularly with and whose opinions I respect.
And by the way, that wasn't a personal attack. That was a conclusion I drew based on the fact that at least twice I have proved that you either deliberately lied or couldn't your read own scans correctly.
Why so paranoid? Why would I get personal with you or try to hide my identity when it is much simpler and easier to just prove your claims are wrong using evidence?
9) First: "Refrain from", not "restrain". Second, if I were you, I would also implore me to stop responding. It must feel horrible having all your claims proven wrong.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The Cage scans are good, I'd argue Herc was wasted in that scan though.
Yes, he was drunk.
Once I get to my laptop, maybe I can contribute a few things.
I'm pretty disorganized though, it's why I've never bz'd before. Would nees like a week just to ger everything together.
Originally posted by Dreampanther
1) Either you are woefully misinformed or you are deliberately being deceitful, but this directly contradicts your statement.2) "Pulling your punches" literally means not hitting the other fighter as hard as you can. Perhaps you simply do not understand English idioms, or how holding back means a fighter is not fighting to the best of his abilities because he does not want to hurt his opponent? This might prove helpful:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/pull+punches
Unfortunately the statement that Cap made was after Danny kicked him.
But we already know that Danny tried to KO Cap' and even used the Iron Fist against which is clearly a proof of not holding back.
Cap' isn't KO because he rolled with the blow which means that Iron Fist was trying to KO him.
Danny use the Iron Fist which means he try to beat Cap' with his best attack.
3) I asked if you wanted me to post the scans. Since you insist, I will post some at 5) (I can see why you didn't want them posted).
Because they will be out-of-context and a waste of time to read for a character I already know.
4) When you present evidence, you don't need an opinion. That's what evidence does, it proves something true or false, so your opinion is redundant.
That's why I provide evidence and you provide an opinion.
5) Since you insisted:Iron Fist taking out Nightcrawler, Wolverine and sending Colossus flying.
He didn't KO any of them.
Iron Fist taking out Hercules in one punch.
Hercules was MORTAL, DEPOWERED, WEAKENED at this time and DRUNK.
Iron Fist taking out Luke Cage with a kick and a punchIron Fist taking Cage out with a single punch.
Luke Cage isn't the impressive badass that you want him to be.
6) You mean you were wrong (either deliberately or through ignorance, just like when you claimed Danny didn't pull his punches) when you first stated Batman's attack "paralysed and disabled".
I've never said that Hulk was "paralysed and disabled" which you would have noticed if didn't push your post to make useless strawman.
That is my original post:
Originally posted by RealityWarper
He is till better than Danny feat wise in term of battle tactics and hand-to-hand skills.I don't see how his rating in the Bat-family matters at all.
On the other hand, Danny is still below the likes of Captain America and Wolverine skill-wise and both have always been portrayed at Batman-level.
Danny don't have any pressure-point feats at Batman-level, it is very dubious he could defend against it.
Danny failed to affected the Hulk and Spider-man with his pressure-point attacks while Batman was able to paralyse or disable superhuman beings.
Here is the two sentences we are talking about:
"Danny don't have any pressure-point feats at Batman-level, it is very dubious he could defend against it.
Danny failed to affected the Hulk and Spider-man with his pressure-point attacks while Batman was able to paralyse or disable superhuman beings.
Keyword:
"Superhuman beings".
I've never said that Batman was able to do anything to the Hulk but affect him.
Then you backpedaled to"affected", and now it has become "provoking an involuntary reflex". Just say it: Startled. Batman S-T-A-R-T-L-E-D the Hulk, which does prove, in fact, that Batman was better at startling the Hulk than Danny was.
I didn't back-pedalled on anything, "startled" and "provoked an involuntary reflex" are actually the same thing and that's what I said since the beginning.
My original statement was about superhuman-beings not the Hulk, which you would have understand the first time if you had a correct ability to read and understand.
Nice strawman dude, probably involuntary due to poor reading skills.
7) First: Who, not whom. You only use whom when you refer to the object of a verb or preposition, not the subject. But hey, at least you tried.
Thanks for the tip.
English isn't my mother-tongue, it seems it isn't yours either.
Second: You think handspeed is irrelevant in a fight? You think it is irrelevant that a trained martial artist shows the ability to catch a bullet in flight? Or are you just trying to obfuscate the fact that you, again, ignored the evidence and somehow turned "catching a bullet' into "avoiding a projectile"?
I think that you are using loaded question.
I think that only hand-to-hand feats are relevant in a fight concerning close-quarter combat and that your speculations can't be taken at face-value.
I'm inviting you at using evidence AKA showing combat feats.
Projectile stuff are irrelevant to the topic at hand.
8) Now this, honestly, made me smile. I don't know who you think I am or whose account I am borrowing, but I am dying of curiosity. So, who do you think I am? And who is my friend? In case you haven't noticed, I live in South Africa. The closest thing I have to friends here on KMC is the people I interact regularly with and whose opinions I respect.
Sure. Your debating style is very predictable.
I guess that if I am paranoid all of your claims can be only due to some form of group thinking.
And by the way, that wasn't a personal attack. That was a conclusion I drew based on the fact that at least twice I have proved that you either deliberately lied or couldn't your read own scans correctly.
We saw that. I had to bring you back to the true context. Again.
You wasn't even capable to read my post properly about Batman's pressure-point abilities.
Why so paranoid? Why would I get personal with you or try to hide my identity when it is much simpler and easier to just prove your claims are wrong using evidence?
Keywords:
Predictable fallacious claims.
Group thinking mentality.
9) First: "Refrain from", not "restrain". Second, if I were you, I would also implore me to stop responding. It must feel horrible having all your claims proven wrong.
Thanks for the English tips again, they will help me to improve however I advice you to read my post many times and try to understand it this time.
Your strawman was ludicrous and shows that you aren't capable to fully read a post with FIVE sentences.
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Does IF hit harder than Batman with his Iron Fist? Yes, sure. But is he more skilled? No, never ever. I see you got your opinion and you clearly don't know the difference between h2h skills and punching hard...
I see you clearly didn't read any of the posts. Or just read into them what you wanted to. Which seems about par for the course. I posted those in direct response to RW's continual complaint that I didn't post something on the order of "one-shotting superhumans".
I wasn't trying to demonstrate his skill. If I wanted to demonstrate his skill, I would have posted something like this:
Taking out an opponent even as a bullet leaves his gun:
Or taking out 88 SHIELD agents in seven minutes while holding back...
...while it is noted that if he had cut loose, he could have done it in seconds.
Taking out Cat with a couple of punches
Or, perhaps, this one of him defeating an inhuman ninja assassin with 2,000 years of experience.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He was drunk and mortal at the time, I believe. Though the whole shit with Herc losing and regaining his immortality is something Marvel never really managed to clear up.
I've been looking around forever. Either it doesn't exist, or it's in some obscure one shot (The Wrecking Crew beat down from an Iron Fist origin is like that. You won't find it just by Googling around.)
Originally posted by cdtm
Sorry RW, but Cap made that statement for a reason.Wolverine charged Cap with his claws in AvX, missed and stuck the Avengers jet wall. Does that mean he was trying to kill Cap?
That was after the kick.
IF said that Cap' rolled with his punch meaning he expected to do greater damages.
Originally posted by cdtm
I've been looking around forever. Either it doesn't exist, or it's in some obscure one shot (The Wrecking Crew beat down from an Iron Fist origin is like that. You won't find it just by Googling around.)
I've already posted the scan.