NJO Luke Runs The Gauntlet

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
The point is that you have no evidence.

If Emerald Lightning was so effective against Jedi then Luke had the chance to use it on Lumiya.

It is designed specially to counter Vong. We can't just say that it is a special technique so it will pawn every Jedi in sight

Point is I don't need evidence, I have logical deduction. And your argument destroys itself. That's like saying why didn't Malak use his force drain on Revan, or why didn't Revan use his many ancient sith techniques on Malak, or why didn't Sidious instantly kill Luke on the death star. Very easy, because they didnt NEED to. And Luke didn't want to kill Lumiya, if you read Exile, you'd know that. So please, your logic is as bad as Noobaris.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I can say the same about yours.

Course not.. Facts>Fanboyism.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Point is I don't need evidence, I have logical deduction. And your argument destroys itself.

Logical deductions are not always true.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
That's like saying why didn't Malak use his force drain on Revan, or why didn't Revan use his many ancient sith techniques on Malak

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
or why didn't Sidious instantly kill Luke on the death star. Very easy, because they didnt NEED to. And Luke didn't want to kill Lumiya, if you read Exile, you'd know that. So please, your logic is as bad as Noobaris.

Sidious was indeed hesitant to kill Luke first because he wanted his make him to apprentice and he let Vader do the job for him. But once he decided to kill Luke and unleashed his Force Lightning, it was a totally different situation then. Again your point is moot.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Course not.. Facts>Fanboyism.

Okey, I am really starting to think most of the people here hadn't played KOTOR or atleast went thought it.

Whichever noob crossed out my quote saying Revan can make mini Lightning Storms probably never beat the game and never got to the last level of Lightning

Okey now, once you do beat the game and get to the last level of lightning, this is the title. "LIGHTNING STORM"
This is a fact, not a logic. Facts>Logic.

We have never seen Luke use emerald lightning against poweful jedi, so it has a high probability of having a weakness against powerful jedi or sith and can be easily blocked.

If you ever gotten to the end of the game and fought Malak, you would've known he uses Force Drain on you.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Evidence is what matters most in these kinds of debates.

Logical deductions are not always true.

Malak threw everything he knew at Revan on Star Forge and this happened even in the game. Try to fight without Force Immunity and you will see that Malak uses his Force Drain on Revan. So your point is moot.

Sidious was trying his best to kill Luke on Death Star with his Force Lightning after Luke refused to turn to Dark Side. He could not insta-kill him because Lightning cannot insta-kill a strong Jedi.

Sidious was indeed hesitant to kill Luke first because he wanted to make him to apprentice but once he decided to kill Luke and unleashed his Force Lightning, it was a different situation then. Again your point is moot. [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have provided me no facts and just your assumptions regarding a Force ability. Facts are determined by evidences from canonical sources.

Facts are also determined by logical deduction which is unable to be disproved. You have yet to disprove it and it is logical, therefore it's as factual as it gets.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except when they're logicala nd you can't disprove them.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Considering you don't know anything about force immunity and that you just stated that gameplay isn't canon, I think you just owned yourself.

I just told you that Malak uses Force Drain on Revan if you don't boost your defences. Because you said that Malak does not uses Force Drain on Revan and this is not true. Malak used his Draining abilities on the Jedi and logic points that he used it against Revan as well as evident from the fight in the game.

Also "Game Mechanics" and "Game-play" are two different things. What we do in the game is not canon but what the characters do in the game against you is canon.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
But Sidious had an instakill and by your logic, if all of these people have these uber moves, why not use them. Once again, self pwnage.

And you are mistaken if you think that their is an pwnage in this case.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
And yet again, if all of the characters have these moves, by your logic, they should use them. Self pwnage 3 times..

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Facts are also determined by logical deduction which is unable to be disproved. You have yet to disprove it and it is logical, therefore it's as factual as it gets.

My logical deduction also stands.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Another stupid argument. I can disagree with what you said. Unless your view is backed by a canonical evidence, don't tell me that you have a better arguement.

I don't know about Force Immunity? Wow!

I just told you that Malak uses Force Drain on Revan if you don't boost your defences. Because you said that Malak does not uses Force Drain on Revan, which is not true.

Sidious had an instakill in ROTJ? Then why did it not worked on Luke?

And you are mistaken if you think that their is an pwnage in this case.

I notice an irrelevant mis-direction here. You don't have any argument and you say pwnage. You better get your eyes checked. [/B]

Except all of my posts provided an argument while yours provided an opinion. Denial can be a powerful ally.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Considering the fact that Force Lightning attacks can be blocked so same will happen in case of Emeral Lightning. If not by hands then by Light Sabers.

My logical deduction also stands.

You don't possess any logic as you've clearly shown. You're comparing force power X to force power Y. Sorry to tell you but because one common force technique can be blocked, doesn't mean that another one that was invented on another level of the force can be, ESPECIALLY since nobody but Luke has knowledge of it. Sure, your "logical deduction" still stands, but only in your head.

Originally posted by Spidervlad
Okey, I am really starting to think most of the people here hadn't played KOTOR or atleast went thought it.

Whichever noob crossed out my quote saying Revan can make mini Lightning Storms probably never beat the game and never got to the last level of Lightning

Okey now, once you do beat the game and get to the last level of lightning, this is the title. "LIGHTNING STORM"
This is a fact, not a logic. Facts>Logic.

We have never seen Luke use emerald lightning against poweful jedi, so it has a high probability of having a weakness against powerful jedi or sith and can be easily blocked.

If you ever gotten to the end of the game and fought Malak, you would've known he uses Force Drain on you.

I have played KOTOR.

I crossed it out because it is just a game name, it isn't actually Sidious' power, and, Revan was lightside.

Emerald lightning effects beings that are immune to force attacks, also, Revan would have no idea what it even is. He'd probably throw up his lightsaber thinking it was lightning and die.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Congratulations, you've made one of the most retarded statements this forum has ever had, and have shown your inability to understand the rules of logical debating. You can disagree with whatever the hell you want, nobody cares about your fanboyism, but when you can't counter a logical argument with one of your own, your opinions mean very little. Logical deduction wins on this forum.

I asked for a simple evidence and you can't provide it. And you are just stating your assumption and passing it on as a fact, which is idiotic.

You should congratulate yourself for your own foolishness.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Prove that Malak canonically possessed force immunity..

An example: He deflected a Light Saber thrown at him without much effort. Also Force Immunity is an advanced form of Force Resistance and Malak could resist or counter many Force attacks.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I'm just ridiculing your stupid argument about "If everyone has an instakill, why dont they use it".

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Same reason why Luke didn't use his on Lumiya, and why the ancient sith didn't use theirs on others. There was no need to dumbass.

Traya insta-killed 3 Jedi Masters because she knew that it was the best way to defeat them.

If Luke had the chance to destroy Lumiya and his Lightning could insta-kill a Jedi then he could have used it on her. No one was holding him back. But he did not do so for a reason. And several cases show that a Lightning attack does not insta-kill a strong Jedi.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except I can logically back it up, while all you have is your fanboy opinion.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except all of my posts provided an argument while yours provided an opinion. Denial can be a powerful ally.

You also have just stated an opinion. And my opinion is based on some observations.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You don't possess any logic as you've clearly shown. You're comparing force power X to force power Y. Sorry to tell you but because one common force technique can be blocked, doesn't mean that another one that was invented on another level of the force can be, ESPECIALLY since nobody but Luke has knowledge of it. Sure, your "logical deduction" still stands, but only in your head.

Emerald Lightning was invented to damage Vong and it just did that. There is no evidence that shows that this technique can destroy a powerful Jedi instantly.

My point stands.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And I don't care about your fanboyist views as well.

I asked for a simple evidence and you can't provide it. And your just stating your assumption and passing it on as a fact which is idiotic.

You should congratulate yourself for your own foolishness.

Malak is a defined character in the game and he possessed Force Immunity and this capability was attributed to him by Drew K. The point is that he had some good defensive abilities and thus he countered many Force attacks as evident from his fights. See! this is called proper logic with some backing.

Traya insta-killed 3 Jedi Masters because she knew that it was the best way to defeat them.

If Luke had the chance to destroy Lumiya and his Lightning could insta-kill a Jedi then he could have used it on her. No one was holding him back. But he did not do so for a reason. And we several cases that show that a Lightning attack does not insta-kills a strong Jedi.

Logically you have not backed any shit.

You are in a denial actually.

You also have just stated an opinion. And my opinion is based on some observations. [/B]

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Emerald Lightning was invented to damage Vong and it just did that. There is no evidence that shows that this technique can destroy a powerful Jedi instantly.

My point stands. [/B]

how long does a force storm last? One that Luke could/would make?

Provide proof that Emerald Lightning takes up 3/4 of your power. Its not a game, they don't have force power levels by their names or something. If you're always attuned to the force, they you can keep using it.

To prove that Revam or Malak could block EL, you would have to prove that its no different than regular Sith lightning. Can you do that? No, didn't think so.

There's also no evidence that EL cant destroy a Jedi instantly...you cant use that he's never done it because that doesn't mean he cant. I can run my car into a crowd of people...but i haven't done it...see how illogical that is?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Considering the fact that Force Lightning attacks can be blocked so same will happen in case of Emeral Lightning. If not by hands then by Light Sabers.

My logical deduction also stands.

An assumption.
But I need an evidence in which it is shown that emerald lightning can be blocked by sabers and/or hands. Only in this case I will be convinced.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except my views are objective and logical. I'm glad you're repeating all of my criticism back to me, thanks for being a parrot.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You ask for specific evidence that doesn't exist and then you claim that I can't prove anything. Ergo, I provided a logical conclusion, and it matters little to me you accept it.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
You should congratulate yourself for yours elf pwnage.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Yes, proper logic based on a gameplay fight! Good one.. Now since there is no canon evidence that Malak possessed force immunity, it's speculation.

Canon evidence is that Drew assigned this ability to Malak. Your point is moot.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, she killed them because she wanted them to feel what the Exile feels, the death of the force. You'd know that if you played KOTOR II.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Luke held himself back and youre looking like a moron because this comes from a book you have not read. Therefore, read the book before spewing out ignorance.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Just because you want to believe it doesn't make it true

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Thanks for playing the game of "I know you are but what am I". Enjoy high school.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
My argument is based on objective and logical deductions. Your "argument" is based on subjective observations. Good one. [/B]

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except for the fact that it reached a higher level of the force than any force user or any being in the galaxy has achieved, and Luke was the only one who knew the technique, so again your argument is destroyed.

Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Only in your mind.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No your views are objective and logical only in your head.

Your logic is flawed.

There is no self pwnage here. You look like a perfect idiot by stating this over and over again.

Game-play? No!

Canon evidence is that Drew assigned this ability to Malak. Your point is moot.

She used an insta-kill ability on them, which is what matters more.

Luke held himself back from killing Lumiya. But this have nothing to do with his emerald lightning. He have yet to show us that his lightning can insta-kill a powerful Jedi. Until this happens, I will stick by my point.

Again! your point is your opinion and is not backed by any form of canon or a view of an author.

My arguments have some basis. Your argument is based on just a self belief. [/B]

Thanks parrot.. Want evidence of a failing argument? Just copy everything the OTHER guy said.. Great going jackass.