I should note before posting the following, but LeGenD, you should respond to all the points I've made, I couldn't help, but notice that you skirted several.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have been using the term "powerful bursts of Lightning" more often now. Did you care to check my next post? No.
Was it my obligation to read your later post? Or was the onus on you to properly word your sentences, so as they make reasonable sense when I respond to that post? Oh, wait. That's right. The latter seems to be the more obvious choice here.
Now, it's undeniable that numerous points will be repeated due to the fact that Sexy, and Lightsnake are responding to your "rebuttals" (I don't even think they deserve that title, but I'm cutting you slack), so deal with it, or like I've been saying, shut the hell up.
The bold part of your post is what I have been trying to say for a long time here but nobody checked it.
No, it's not. Seeing as I cared enough to check your next post (ha!), you're taking what I said, and making an inaccurate interpretation.
They aren't "naturally" more resistant, however, due to the fact that they can use the Force
My logic stands.
And no, it doesn't.
Were those Force sensitive trained in Jedi arts or powerful?
They were Force sensitive Sith acolytes, ergo trained in the Darkside. They were powerful enough to raise Darth Maul from the dead, or create a new -- one that gave Darth Vader an immense amount of trouble, so much that he had to commit seppuku to get the win.
My point is that Lightning cannot instantly kill those who are strong in the Force.
Depending upon the circumstances, yes it can. So, you are, as usual, wrong. Darth Sidious' lightning could annihilate someone like Master T'Chooka, for example (who was described as "strong in the Force" by the omniscient narrator), ergo whatever passes for logic in your world fails due to that.
We can deduce that the lightning Sidious can generate would be able to take down numerous foes. Even just using the Sora Bulq example, if Dooku - with one hand (therefore, less full power) - could cause a Jedi master like Sora Bulq to be rendered unconscious, then imagine what Darth Sidious, who we've seen reduce three acolytes to ash, kill a battalion of Stormtroopers (and the circumstances here imply that it wasn't at its apex of intensity), and knock the indisputably, most powerful Jedi up to RotS, Yoda unconscious for an amount of time, could do.
Indeed, I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of that attack. Your assumption is flawed, and all you've been doing is stating this and that, but not backing it up with evidence - whether by means of using logic, or actual source material. I, on the other hand, have done this. As well, so have Sexy, and Lightsnake.
Malak's Lightning could do the same as well as it happened on Star Forge.
What are you referring to? Where does he reduce someone to "bone and ash"? Even if he does, how the hell does that correlate to my point? Oh? What's that? It doesn't? I figured as much.
The point is that Force Lightning varies in intensity.
Yes, depending upon the wielder of the lightning themselves. If they want to torture, by all means, the lightning isn't going to be aimed to kill.
I think we've established this, however, as our prime example is Sidious, if he applied his full strength into the attack, a sub par Force user would, as I said, be dead.
I am talking about those Jedi who are strong in the Force. Those Jedi who can't defend themselves from Force Lightning are prone to die quickly but their is always a chance to counter Lightning through Light Saber.
Oh my Buddha, see above.
Dooku shoots Lightning at Anakin. Anakin gets knocked out for a short time and then comes back.
"Short time"? No, it was a long time, if we are including the fact that the blast clearly wasn't intended to kill, but only remove him from the picture he wasn't even knocked out, he was writhing in pain, and trying to recuperate after getting fried. It was a
Anyways, proof that Count Dooku was aiming to kill Anakin at that specific point? Or, at the least, poured his utmost power into the attack? Well, that's actually already been disproved by the fact he only used one hand.
Sidious shoots Lightning at Yoda. Yoda gets knocked out for a short period and then comes back.
Proof that Sidious was aiming to kill Yoda at that specific point? Or, at the least, poured his utmost power into the attack? Well, the former (and thus latter) is already unanswerable on your part, because we see Sidious try to flee after being Force pushed. If he wanted him dead right then, and there, he would've blasted him continuously, or elaborate on his last attack.
Sidious shoots Lightning at Luke. Zapps him several times but Luke still comes back.
Proof that Sidious was aiming to kill Luke at that specific point? Or, at the least, poured his utmost power into the attack? Well, you're currently being dismantled by three of the best debaters here, and have another one of the greatest currently here telling you you've been annihilated. So, for the time being, we'll just let this discussion continue (even though the anti-LeGenD side has proved up). It's rather entertaining.
My point is that strong Jedi are not killed instantly by Lightning.
The thing is, you have no proof of the affirmative (that they were applying their full power, or trying to kill them). Skepticism is generally the default position, thus I'm telling you to prove up on that, which you've yet to do, and seem to refuse to do.
And stop telling me to STFU. I can speak where-ever I want and when-ever I want to speak.
I can tell you to "shut the hell up" (learn2read) wherever, and whenever I want, bizatch. If you don't like it, go cry to your mother, and get off the board.
And, again, I'm only telling you to "shut the hell up", because you won't prove up. So, prove up or shut the hell up.
My point is that Lightning attack does not instantly kills a strong Jedi.
Except your point isn't backed up by viable evidence. You've provided three occasions where a "powerful Force user" was blasted, but not that they were applying their highest limit.
Sidious was giving full dosage to Luke. But he did not got pawned.
Prove up, or shut the hell up. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so, Limbaugh.
Sidious was giving full dosage to Yoda but that resulted in a blast.
Prove up, or shut the hell up. Just because you say it, doesn't make it so, Limbaugh.
Still have doubts then it is your perception and not mine.
See above, addressed, and taken down.
Oh, so what you say is magically constituted by fact. Well, Sieg Heil to you, my friend! Please, child. You still haven't provided proof of the following:
1. That anyone in any situation you named was using their utmost power.
2. That you can see.
3. That you're competent.
Listen, I'm going to explain to you things in a demeaning manner from now on:
You. Have. Not. Backed. Up. Your. Assumptions.
Therefore, that leads me to believe
That. You. Have. No. Proof.
And thusly, are
Talking. Out. Of. Your. Ass.
Now, ditto what I've been saying: prove that Palpatine administered his apex of power into the attack during RotJ. If you don't do so, then I'd advise you not to respond, because it's only looks worse for your case.
Are Sora, Anakin AOTC and Yoda ordinary beings? No.
Was that what I asked for? No. Was the comment relevant to what we were discussing, and what I was responding to? No.
I was stating that we've seen Sora Bulq knocked out, same case with Yoda, and we've seen AotC Anakin being put out of combat for a time. They all correlate to my point that if Sidious were to utilize his maximal amount of power, then Luke would've - at the very least - been knocked out.
He wasn't, therefore logic would dictate that he (Sidious) didn't.
Luke's screams gave what indication to you? Do you need an Hubble Telescope to judge the impact of Lightning on a person?
It was sarcasm, for one, and not meant to be taken as serious as you're doing. It was more of a "wow, irrelevant, who gives a flying ****"-esque deal.
Anyways, to be on point (since every minuscule detail needs to be explained to you), Luke's scream gave indication that he was being tortured, however, they didn't give indication of what you're entire premise is based around.
Did you see that Pic that I have provided here? No.
So, now, you know what I did, and didn't do? Funny, see below, because I'll address the point with something I've already written regarding the situation.
Sidious was zapping Luke with Lightning using both of his hands.
Originally posted by Advent
Irrelevant. So, because he uses two hands, he must've been using a greater intensity of lightning than he could generate with one hand? No, that doesn't compute.I can swing a baseball bat with two hands, and not use as much force as I could with one hand, if I chose to. Try again, chump change. You really cannot out debate me, so my best advice would be stop while your behind.
QED.
