Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
As far as I know, Force Lightning can instantly kill non force sensitive or ordinary beings.
That's a ridiculous assumption to make. Although a force based attack, it's still has the same apparent effects as normal lightning.
It could kill a non-Force sensitive being if a certain amount of intensity was applied, however, to assume that a weak blast of it (for example, Quinlan Vos' usage) would "instakill" them, when it more than likely wouldn't, is ludicrous.
Undoubtedly, a Jedi or Sith would have a greater defense against such an attack, and thereby have more resistance, but your lack of specifications on how much power renders your suggestion null.
But tolerance level of a Jedi is greater then that of ordinary beings. It is a very rare case in which a Jedi got instantly killed by Force Lightning and I have yet to see such a case.
We've seen three Force sensitive beings drop dead by Palpatine lightning, whilst only using a single hand (ergo, less powerful):
It matters not that you haven't "seen" something like that, because from what we've seen of Palpatine's lightning, a sub par Force user would be reduced to bone, and ash if he applied his upper limit.
Yes! I have seen Jedi getting knocked out for a short time by Force Lightning but this has happened to those Jedi who could not or failed to defend against a Lightning attack but they were not killed by it.
What is your point, exactly? You're spewing a bunch of random bullshit, which is completely irrelevant to what I'm discussing. Please, stick to the point, or shut the hell up.
A few examples: Anakin tolerated Dooku's Lightning in AOTC. Yoda tolerated Sidious's Lightning in ROTS.
What is your point, exactly? You're spewing a bunch of random bullshit, which is completely irrelevant to what I'm discussing. Please, stick to the point, or shut the hell up.
Your examples are irrelevant to the discussion insomuch as they don't prove that Palpatine had been trying to vaporize Luke, or administering the "full dosage", so to speak.
Luke had greater tolerance level then ordinary beings.
He didn't have a greater tolerance than Sora, AotC Anakin, and Yoda. Either elaborate, or as par expected, your point holds no water.
And his reaction showed that Force Lightning actually causes pain and burns.
Wow, good eye. Did you need to use the Hubble Telescope just for that one?
Sidious was zapping him with both of his hands. He was trying to do his best to terminate Luke in short time.
Prove up, or shut up.
Where do you see any evidence for this? It certainly isn't anywhere I've seen, and logic points to the fact that he was far from his utmost power.
If you believe the contrary, try providing evidence, instead of statements, of which contain not a shred of what I'm asking for.
Where does a Luke became weaker and weaker with each zapping until his father realized that Luke would be killed.
1. Interrogative sentences end with a question mark, Einstein.
2. What does any of that have to do with what I wrote? What the hell are you even trying to get across? It's true that Luke would become anemic, but that's also due to the fact he was practically being tortured.
3. An example I can give that would show that - were Palpatine to use his full strength, Luke would've been knocked unconscious, at the very least - is Sora Bulq. Count Dooku unleashed an assault of Force lightning on Bulq:
As we can see, this was with one hand. This is Sora Bulq, who's more skilled than RotJ in defense of the Force, given that he's had years of formal training, helped develop Vaapad, and an abundant amount of other reasons. Now, Sora was knocked out by Count Dooku's lightning, and we know that Palpatine's power, as of RotJ, are far above and beyond anything Count Dooku can conjure.
So, your assertion begs the question: why was Luke still conscious? Why did he get right back up in a split second? Clearly, you're wrong. And you cannot provide any viable proof to change that. QED. Try again, chump change.
That is because of the advantage of Force.
Oh god, Anakin Skywalker in AotC took minutes to get up, and he got blasted by Count Dooku, who we've already covered as being far inferior to Palpatine.
The Force helps, but a neophyte farmboy like Luke Skywalker would never be able to get right back up, if someone like Palpatine gave him a dose of his utmost power, as you suggest. If Palpatine wanted him dead, he would've been.
There is also a technique known as "Force Healing". Luke might have knowledge of this capability but of-course, I do not know.
As par expected, considering you "do not know" a lot of things.
You failed to note that Sidious was using both of his hands (just like in one of your PICS)
Irrelevant. So, because he uses two hands, he must've been using a greater intensity of lightning than he could generate with one hand? No, that doesn't compute.
I can swing a baseball bat with two hands, and not use as much force as I could with one hand, if I chose to. Try again, chump change. You really cannot out debate me, so my best advice would be stop while your behind.
Yet this great display of power failed to kill him instantly.
It wasn't a "great display of power". It was a display of power, not great, as we know, and you refuse to accept.
He wasn't trying to kill him instantly. Unless you prove otherwise, which you've: a) yet to do, and b) are incapable of doing.
I can make a case that Luke's tolerance level was much higher then we could expect.
I can, and have made a case (of which you've yet to refute properly), that Palpatine's lightning wasn't near its greatest. As a matter of fact, I've already had this conversation before you even came through the woodwork to spew your idiocy.
The only problem was that he did not knew how to deflect the Lightning with his hands.
According to the script, he tried (and was "half successful"😉. Now, obviously scripts aren't always on point, it still would disprove that he "did not know" how to defend against such an attack, seeing as even earlier drafts aren't considered N-canon.
Luke might have used Force Healing ability to recover quickly and get back to his feat. This is open to interpretation however because we don't fully know.
Except you cannot even deduce that he knew it, nor is there anything to imply that he did use it. Indeed, I've already covered this, chump change. Save it for someone on a lower intellectual level than me (like a clone of yourself, or a sheepdog).
And the only thing open to interpretation is whether or not your mentally retarded, or just want to act like that.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And yes! ordinary people and non-force sensitive beings have been instantly killed by powerful bursts of Force Lightning in various cases. I am an idiot.
This may be relevant to what Sexy is discussing with you, however, if you note the massive scale of lightning Palpatine uses, and the apparent power, it's clear that he didn't go this far with Luke.
I know that Dooku's Lightning is not as powerful as that of Sidious's Lightning. I am an idiot.
Then you should note that Count Dooku's lightning was able to put Sora Bulq to sleep (so to speak). Now, I've already stated this, but to get to the point: Sora > Luke (at least, in defense). So, if you believe that Palpatine really attempted to kill Luke, then you should take note of what happened in the scenario mentioned with Sora.
You don't need to tell me this but it still was effective against a Jedi as Anakin was knocked out for a short time. I am an idiot.
And somehow, Luke, who's again, not as skillful in the arts of defense (or the Force in general, as of RotJ), was able to get up in a split second. That's ridiculous.
By your logic, RotJ Luke must have a stronger defense than RotS Yoda, seeing as Yoda was also knocked unconscious for a very short amount of time.
Very bad observation. He defeated Vader in combat and that was testimony of his skills. Vader himself said that Luke's training was complete in ROTJ. I am an idiot.
His lightsaber skills, maybe. It's also speaks for the fact that Darth Vader sucks in comparison to the more powerful Jedi of the prequels in bladed combat. On the official Q&A, it states that "[Luke], though not as skillful as the young Jedi of the prequels[...]", which is indicative that Darth Vader's skill in lightsaber combat is severely lacking (as it even mentions).
Nonetheless, if you'll note, Luke admits that he didn't believe Darth Vader had gone balls to the wall:
"And there was a further matter. In his battles with Darth Vader and the Emperor, Luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits. Vader had sought only to turn him, had kept Luke alive." (Courtship of Princess Leia, Ch. 21).
Again a possibility. But from what I saw in the movie. I am an idiot.
Take off your blindfold, and then watch the movie. He was increasing the power behind it gradually, but what you're saying is unsupported.
