Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have provided me no facts and just your assumptions regarding a Force ability. Facts are determined by evidences from canonical sources or consultations from Authors and not assumptions.
Hey, man, you really need to stop arguing about this.
Im Revan's no.1 fan, and im tellin you this: NJO Luke>Revan and Malak.
There are other Jedi and Sith more powerful than Revan in star wars, like Exar Kun, or DE Sidious. NJO LUke is the most powerful being in all of star wars. He beats DE Sidious and he certainly beats Kun. Malak is not at all as strong as Revan... he simply isnt. Revan is stronger by far.
Malak wouldnt actually last long against Luke. You cannot say Revan and Malak can beat NJO Luke or put him a GREAT fight cuz its simply not logical. If LUKe can beat DE SIdious or Kun, who are stronger than Revan and Malak, (and thats a fact) its logical that in any way, Force using or saber figthing, he would beat them both
Revan is lightside? Since when? Where talking about Post Darth Revan, I suppose. And everyone agrees the most powerful Post Darth Revan is in his Sith Form. YOU get to choose the side on which you fight, so saying Darth Revan is lightside is kinda stupid, giving me more of a reason to think you never played the game.
Emerald Lightning COULD have been invented by Luke just for an attack that can kill Vong, nobody knows what it's effect will be on a poweful jedi or sith. So this arguement is stupid, it could be either way and has a 50-50 chance.
The force storm Revan had in the game LOOKED like a force storm, and ACTED like a force storm. What is there not to understand? Revan made a cloud of lightning up in the air which preety much electrifies any opponents around. Althought not as powerful as Sidious's which can go VERY far, thats why I said MINI Force Storm.
When you fight Malak in KOTOR IT IS USELESS TO USE FORCE ATTACKS ON HIM! Hmm.. Lemme see... What does that show? Something that blocks the force... Hmm... FORCE IMMUNITY!
Originally posted by Riverollv
Hey, man, you really need to stop arguing about this.
Im Revan's no.1 fan, and im tellin you this: NJO Luke>Revan and Malak.
There are other Jedi and Sith more powerful than Revan in star wars, like Exar Kun, or DE Sidious. NJO LUke is the most powerful being in all of star wars. He beats DE Sidious and he certainly beats Kun. Malak is not at all as strong as Revan... he simply isnt. Revan is stronger by far.
Malak wouldnt actually last long against Luke. You cannot say Revan and Malak can beat NJO Luke or put him a GREAT fight cuz its simply not logical. If LUKe can beat DE SIdious or Kun, who are stronger than Revan and Malak, (and thats a fact) its logical that in any way, Force using or saber figthing, he would beat them both
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
[B]Wonderful, a parrot.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
I bet
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Sure I do fool.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
compelling argumentGood lord, you're pathetic enough to make shit up. "Drew assigned blahblah" Drew didn't assign shit..
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, that's irrelevant.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
No, you said that he didn't hold back and if his emerald lightning could be used on force users, he would have. You sound like a blabbering buffoon contradicting yourself.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Except facts can be created without an author's consent as long as it doesn't contradict real canon. Thanks for your ignorance.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Thanks parrot.. Want evidence of a failing argument? Just copy everything the OTHER guy said.. Great going jackass.
Your have no better argument either so why not STFU.
Originally posted by Spidervlad
Revan is lightside? Since when? Where talking about Post Darth Revan, I suppose. And everyone agrees the most powerful Post Darth Revan is in his Sith Form. YOU get to choose the side on which you fight, so saying Darth Revan is lightside is kinda stupid, giving me more of a reason to think you never played the game.Emerald Lightning COULD have been invented by Luke just for an attack that can kill Vong, nobody knows what it's effect will be on a poweful jedi or sith. So this arguement is stupid, it could be either way and has a 50-50 chance.
The force storm Revan had in the game LOOKED like a force storm, and ACTED like a force storm. What is there not to understand? Revan made a cloud of lightning up in the air which preety much electrifies any opponents around. Althought not as powerful as Sidious's which can go VERY far, thats why I said MINI Force Storm.
When you fight Malak in KOTOR IT IS USELESS TO USE FORCE ATTACKS ON HIM! Hmm.. Lemme see... What does that show? Something that blocks the force... Hmm... FORCE IMMUNITY!
Wow.
Revan has been determined, by the creators, to be a male and lightside. I've played the game, and I liked it a lot. How else would I know that : Power attack looked dumb and had an unnecessary flip, every opponent was a pushover, and the Selkath planet sucked.
Have you read any NJO? He wouldn't need the lightning, he could just throw Revan and Malak a mile away.
It did not look like a force storm. Did it rip apart the fabric of space itself? I don't think so. It was just lightning. There's no way you've read DE.
Wow, that's gameplay, but, even if it wasn't, it would show that Revan isn't powerful enough to affect Malak. Sucks for him.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sidious was trying his best to kill Luke on Death Star with his Force Lightning after Luke refused to turn to Dark Side. He could not insta-kill him because Lightning cannot insta-kill a strong Jedi.
His instant-kill worked on the Dark Side adepts in the Vader vs. Maul comic.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Yeah! Luke fanboyism at his finest.He cannot constantly barrage through other powerful Jedi like they are shit or something.
He certainly falls at 4 or at max 5.
How do we know? He says he could've killed her at any time and casually deflects all her attacks using his saber with one hand.
Luke could very well make it to the top
Originally posted by Spidervlad
Revan is lightside? Since when?
The earliest official known date (to the public, and to my knowledge) was July 13, 2005, where Leland Chee posted this at the official forums:
"Another example is the decision to make Revan a male character. Again, these types of things are only determined when needed." (Holocron continuity database).
You have the internet, try using it next time.
And everyone agrees the most powerful Post Darth Revan is in his Sith Form.
"Everyone agrees"? No, in fact, Darth Malak's dialogue indicates otherwise:
"Well done, Revan. I was certain the defenses of the Star Forge would destroy you, but I see there is more of your old self in you than I expected. You are stronger than I thought; stronger than you ever were during your reign as the Dark Lord." (Darth Malak, KoTOR).
Although Malak is an in-universe source (and thusly, fallible), he still has a greater knowledge, and understanding of Revan's power than anyone here. And, of course, the Light side ending is canonical, ergo the quote was in regards to Revan as he were on said side of the Force.
YOU get to choose the side on which you fight
In the game, yes, we do. Outside of the game, officials at LucasFilms, Ltd. get to decide, and their decision was, as jollyjim has already mentioned, a light sided, male character.
so saying Darth Revan is lightside is kinda stupid, giving me more of a reason to think you never played the game.
Or, the more likely case, it just suggests that your knowledge base on Revan is limited to video games.
The force storm Revan had in the game LOOKED like a force storm, and ACTED like a force storm. What is there not to understand? Revan made a cloud of lightning up in the air which preety much electrifies any opponents around.
If you take a comparison of Darth Sidious' Force Storm, and Revan's you'd find a vast difference. Darth Sidious' Force Storm:
Darth Sidious' version is a wormhole, which is mentioned to "rend the fabric of space", and as shown, consume entire fleets. As well, it's a "storm of raw energy", and summoned via:
"Anger concentrated by Will in the vital center of the body [which] creates a portal through which vast energies are released -- the energies of the dark side of the Force" (The Book of Anger).
Now, as for the KotOR Force Storm, I don't recall it even having any of the same effects as Sidious', neither was it described in the same fashion. It was merely, as you've said, an attack that causes electrification.
You've reminded me why I took a break from this forum, FFS. Incapable of logic reasoning? Check. No (viable) evidence provided? Check. Clueless? Check.
Althought not as powerful as Sidious's which can go VERY far, thats why I said MINI Force Storm.
It doesn't matter what you said, son. It's not the same force attack, and the fact that you lack any justification for assuming such furthers the point that you're wrong.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Sidious was trying his best to kill Luke on Death Star with his Force Lightning after Luke refused to turn to Dark Side. He could not insta-kill him because Lightning cannot insta-kill a strong Jedi.
If you're referring to RotJ, you're completely wrong.
From what we've seen displayed of the sheer power and intensity his lightning can generate up to his incarnation RotJ, it can clearly kill the victim in a relatively short amount of time, or at the least, knock said victim unconscious upon contact. Luke had neither of those ill effects induced upon him, in fact, he was still writhing in pain, and could still muster the strength to call to his father for help, continuously I might add.
Furthermore, as soon as the lightning is lifted off of Luke and thusly goes into the air wildly, Luke gets right back up. The lightning displayed in RotJ was light years from Palpatine's upper limit.
For reinforcement purposes, Palpatine's lightning in action:
Indeed, the "Strikeout King" would've been reduced to a steaming pile of ash had he applied his greatest strength into the attack.
You by far are is the most annoying fanboy of revan, at least legend and the revan fans come out with logical assumptions
Originally posted by SpidervladActually canonically it was stated revan turned back to the lightside and malak stated that revan is EVEN MORE powerful than his pre kotor form. The NEC proves this so dont babble that people didnt play the game when we did and further researched it/.
Revan is lightside? Since when? Where talking about Post Darth Revan, I suppose. And everyone agrees the most powerful Post Darth Revan is in his Sith Form. YOU get to choose the side on which you fight, so saying Darth Revan is lightside is kinda stupid, giving me more of a reason to think you never played the game.
Originally posted by SpidervladReally? We have seen what ordinary lightning can do, sidious killed 100 storm troopers with it while instantly killing lukes apprentice. Luke is the god of star wars and is stated to be the most powerful force user ever. The force attacks he unleashed were described as immense and even in TUF. he was described as a maelstorm of force energy
Emerald Lightning COULD have been invented by Luke just for an attack that can kill Vong, nobody knows what it's effect will be on a poweful jedi or sith. So this arguement is stupid, it could be either way and has a 50-50 chance.
Originally posted by SpidervladSadly revan has never done that. Force storm is tearing a hole in space, and sidious destroyed the entire fleet with that move killing thousands of people
The force storm Revan had in the game LOOKED like a force storm, and ACTED like a force storm. What is there not to understand? Revan made a cloud of lightning up in the air which preety much electrifies any opponents around. Althought not as powerful as Sidious's which can go VERY far, thats why I said MINI Force Storm.
Originally posted by SpidervladGameplay isnt accurate, safe to say that vader can use lightning since he did it in the ROTS game right? wrong!
When you fight Malak in KOTOR IT IS USELESS TO USE FORCE ATTACKS ON HIM! Hmm.. Lemme see... What does that show? Something that blocks the force... Hmm... FORCE IMMUNITY!
It's pretty much open to interpretation, but I believe that Revan would have turned back to the darkside once he fully regained his memories, that's the most likely scenario, because clearly within his memory is the trigger that originally sent him to the darkside, so why wouldn't the same effect take place after regaining his memories? He'll probably be a boss in KotOR 3 if there is one.
Originally posted by allfg
It's pretty much open to interpretation, but I believe that Revan would have turned back to the darkside once he fully regained his memories, that's the most likely scenario, because clearly within his memory is the trigger that originally sent him to the darkside, so why wouldn't the same effect take place after regaining his memories? He'll probably be a boss in KotOR 3 if there is one. [/B]
Good god Noobaris, you just purposely make it a point to argue against canon. And you wonder why you are the joke on this forum. Guess what, nothing in what you said is open to interpretatiion, or is logical.. Revan WOULDNT have turned back to the darkside because he came back to the light. Nothing in his memory was a trigger that sent him to the darkside. You love making shit up and then wondering why you can't win a debate.
