Believing in a limited God

Originally posted by Thundar
Jesus said to him, "[b]I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -- John 14:6 (NKJV)[/B]

* i believe we are talking about the Father and not His Son, Jesus... and yes, Jesus did not lie either... however, if you will imply that the Father and Jesus are the same entity, that is another story...

Originally posted by Thundar
God in his omnipotence - has already defined himself to be Truth and not to be liar, so that makes it only impossible for us to label him as a liar, but that does not make it impossible for him to lie.

* then you are not rightly dividing the word of truth, my friend... because you are directly contradicting and opposing what Saint Paul had written in Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18, i.e. God cannot lie, it is impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
Or looking at it from a broader perspective, lying is just another form of sin, and God has already defined himself to be sinless. Therefore, it is only impossible for us to define him as a sinner. So God does indeed know what sin is and how to sin, since well..he defined what it is. And being that he defined what it is, it is quite possible for him to act in the way in which he defined sin to be. But he won't -- or as God himself puts it...

* with that kind of statement, my argument really fits in... it is impossible for God to commit a sin... so it is really impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, [b]I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

So the implication given is not that God can't change himself and commit this thing he defines as sin, but rather, in the perfection of his Love and grace as well as with his omnipotence, he chooses not to change, and will always stick adhere to Truth as he has defined it. [/B]

* Amen... however, my argument still stands... it is impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
This is a bit off-topic, but I felt it necessary to address it as perhaps I didn't word my post as well as I should have. As you have stated, God is not the Father of sin, however, in his perfection and Love he does allow it, knowing that his reign over it will allow the perfection of his Love to increase.

If God was indeed limited or incapable of doing anything, even sinning, then he would not be able to reign over sin. We know this to not be the case. I summarized this point in another thread quite well. I must admit, I was extremely confused on this topic myself and I got some clarity on it from Nellinator, and then prayed to God about it. Below is the original post regarding God's reign over sin.

* first of all, i believe that eventhough God cannot lie (and is impossible for Him), i don't think that He is "limited"... true, the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie but He is still Almighty...

* and eventhough God is incapable of lying, that does not mean He cannot reign over sin... see how powerful my God is? He is incapable of lying but He can reign over sin...

Originally posted by Thundar
All this being stated, I truly am greatful that I have been allowed to worship and get to know a loving God with this gift he's given me called "life." After having posted on this forum to you and many others, I have full faith and confidence now that he is indeed a God who will never abuse the power he possesses, one whose power and knowledge is beyond the comprehension of this world full of sin, and one who as you so graciously quoted -- consists of Truth that "endureth to all generations", a Truth that cannot be overcome by the "Father of lies" or any of those who purposefully attempt to mock and misrepresent his Word.

* abusing power is not in God's vocabulary... why? because God is good, Psalms 100:5... 'nuff said... 🙂

Originally posted by Thundar
Jesus said to him, "[b]I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." -- John 14:6 (NKJV)[/B]

* i believe we are talking about the Father and not His Son, Jesus... and yes, Jesus did not lie either... however, if you will imply that the Father and Jesus are the same entity, that is another story...

Originally posted by Thundar
God in his omnipotence - has already defined himself to be Truth and not to be liar, so that makes it only impossible for us to label him as a liar, but that does not make it impossible for him to lie.

* then you are not rightly dividing the word of truth, my friend... because you are directly contradicting and opposing what Saint Paul had written in Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18, i.e. God cannot lie, it is impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
Or looking at it from a broader perspective, lying is just another form of sin, and God has already defined himself to be sinless. Therefore, it is only impossible for us to define him as a sinner. So God does indeed know what sin is and how to sin, since well..he defined what it is. And being that he defined what it is, it is quite possible for him to act in the way in which he defined sin to be. But he won't -- or as God himself puts it...

* with that kind of statement, my argument really fits in... it is impossible for God to commit a sin... so it is really impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
Malachi 3:6
For I am the LORD, [b]I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

So the implication given is not that God can't change himself and commit this thing he defines as sin, but rather, in the perfection of his Love and grace as well as with his omnipotence, he chooses not to change, and will always stick adhere to Truth as he has defined it. [/B]

* Amen... however, my argument still stands... it is impossible for God to lie...

Originally posted by Thundar
This is a bit off-topic, but I felt it necessary to address it as perhaps I didn't word my post as well as I should have. As you have stated, God is not the Father of sin, however, in his perfection and Love he does allow it, knowing that his reign over it will allow the perfection of his Love to increase.

If God was indeed limited or incapable of doing anything, even sinning, then he would not be able to reign over sin. We know this to not be the case. I summarized this point in another thread quite well. I must admit, I was extremely confused on this topic myself and I got some clarity on it from Nellinator, and then prayed to God about it. Below is the original post regarding God's reign over sin.

* first of all, i believe that eventhough God cannot lie (and is impossible for Him), i don't think that He is "limited"... true, the Bible states that it is impossible for God to lie but He is still Almighty...

* and eventhough God is incapable of lying, that does not mean He cannot reign over sin... see how powerful my God is? He is incapable of lying but He can reign over sin...

Originally posted by Thundar
All this being stated, I truly am greatful that I have been allowed to worship and get to know a loving God with this gift he's given me called "life." After having posted on this forum to you and many others, I have full faith and confidence now that he is indeed a God who will never abuse the power he possesses, one whose power and knowledge is beyond the comprehension of this world full of sin, and one who as you so graciously quoted -- consists of Truth that "endureth to all generations", a Truth that cannot be overcome by the "Father of lies" or any of those who purposefully attempt to mock and misrepresent his Word.

* abusing power is not in God's vocabulary... why? because God is good, Psalms 100:5... 'nuff said... 🙂