Wolverine..........peak-human?

Originally posted by long pig
But, when Wolverine goes into blind berserk mode, his stats raise. Once, while being studied by instruments, the machines said his strength, speed and what-not raised nearly 10x what they were before when he went berserk. I don't know if anyone has talked about this or not, but there it is.

So, yes, he's peak human until he goes berserker, then he's a good bit above peak human but loses his intelligence.

Originally posted by Disappear
that's physically impossible, you realize. wolverine's healing factor is regulated to simulating normal human healing at a highly advanced rate and allowing him to survive otherwise fatal injuries. he heals like a regular person, but "better." so, even assuming that his healing factor would consistently correct flaws or weaknesses in his skeletal structure, he couldn't heal beyond human perfection.

Originally posted by Disappear
and a peak human, being the perfect physical specimen, would also be at the level of human perfection in the very same sense. the only things different about his skeleton are that his claws [an obvious non-human trait] are abnormally dense, and his skeleton heals incredibly quickly.

Originally posted by capt it up
your right and wrong. he does not lose any intelligence when he goes berserker.

In fact, his enemies have forced him into a berserker rage just because they know he's easily outwitted when he goes into the rage.

All control of his human, logical traits leave when he goes berserk, he's essentially an animal.

Originally posted by long pig
He doesn't "lose" it, but he's unable to use it. He didn't know even when he's stabbed his own teammate when he went berserk.

In fact, his enemies have forced him into a berserker rage just because they know he's easily outwitted when he goes into the rage.

All control of his human, logical traits leave when he goes berserk, he's essentially an animal.

true and false. He will kill pritty much any thing in sight. He can not decern friend from foe however fighting and tactic wise his brain is still in prefect form even to the point of being said to beat 4 chest computers while doing a olympic gold metal ruteen.

no enemy has ever forced him into a berserker rage in order to out witt him. Hell wolverine has never really lsot in a berserker rage. You may be getting berserker rage and ferla rage confused there completely different states of being.

feral rage is when he animal berserker still retains the tactical skills and prowess of the human side.

*laughs*

Yes. His mind is in the prefect form.

Wolverine's mind is on the level of chest computers, and gold metal ruteens.

😆

Sorry. Just the irony.

Originally posted by Soljer
*laughs*

Yes. His mind is in the prefect form.

Wolverine's mind is on the level of chest computers, and gold metal ruteens.

😆

Sorry. Just the irony.

I'm just in a dick-ish mood tonight, ignore me.

I was just pointing out the irony of you speaking about how terribly advanced Logan's mind is, using 'words' like 'ruteen,' and 'prefect,' followed by phrases like 'chest computer.'

Originally posted by Soljer
I'm just in a dick-ish mood tonight, ignore me.

I was just pointing out the irony of you speaking about how terribly advanced Logan's mind is, using 'words' like 'ruteen,' and 'prefect,' followed by phrases like 'chest computer.'

Not to mention use spell check

actually, you didn't contradict anything i said about his healing factor. all humans are capable of regenerating the tissue logan does, but he does so far more quickly and from greater states of damage. i'm pretty sure, but i'll double check, that "healing at a highly advanced rate and allowing him to survive otherwise fatal injuries" covers that.

yep, it does. and by the way, humans are completely capable of healing damage done to their heart or nervous system, jack.

his healing factor does not heal him, nor his skeleton, into having a non-human physiology. it doesn't heal his bones with the same fortifications quicksilver's bones have. if you'd like to point out where it's been said his bones and muscles are beyond human standards [and no, novels don't count as canon until the events therein are mentioned in actual comics,] i'd be glad to reconsider my opinion. i mean, you already know it's true, it shouldn't be hard for you to dig out an issue number. unless you're just, i don't know, making it up.

Originally posted by Disappear
there are plenty of 300+ pound people out there. that doesn't mean they're lifting tons of weight. and a healing factor wouldn't increase his overall ability to lift by any great amount, it would allow him to lift the same amount of weight over a longer period. that's like saying if you recovered immediately [after tiring your muscles to exhaustion] doing a one-rep max, you'd be able to lift more. you wouldn't, you'd simply be able to lift again.

unless he's undergoing massive protein synthesis after every spec of physical exertion, which he's clearly not considering he hasn't become bloated with muscle after decades of high-intensity physical activity, a healing factor won't make him considerably stronger.

It'd have to do with the growth of his muscles, his muscles would heal faster, and thus, he'd be able to increase the growth rate of his muscles. That's how having the extra weight would make his muscles, per pound, stronger than a humans. He'd be able to handle the extra weight and benefit from it. His endurance has nothing to do with how fast his muscles heal, it has to do with how much oxygen can get to the muscles. When you run, your legs initially get tired because your heart and lungs aren't getting enough oxygen-rich blood to the muscles fast enough. After a certain amount of time, the muscles themselves do start to tear, but that takes MUCH longer than the exhaustion caused by a lack of oxygen and just plain 'ole glucose.

So in the end, he'd end up slightly stronger than a peak human, just because he ISN'T a human, his physiology allows his muscles to heal from stress beyond what the normal limits are, you can only push yourself so far before your muscles just can't heal themselves.

Originally posted by long pig
But, when Wolverine goes into blind berserk mode, his stats raise. Once, while being studied by instruments, the machines said his strength, speed and what-not raised nearly 10x what they were before when he went berserk. I don't know if anyone has talked about this or not, but there it is.

So, yes, he's peak human until he goes berserker, then he's a good bit above peak human but loses his intelligence.

His stats rise because of adrenalin. Humans have lifted cars (Tilted them, not over their head, it's still a HUGE amount of weight to lift, in most cases over 1000 lbs) in situations where their body overloaded them with adrenalin. Just as with all people, when your adrenalin kicks in, the blood vessels in your brain expand because of the amount of blood being pumped, thus it's harder to think. If you've ever been in a real fight, any sort of life-threatening emergency or a firefight, you'll know that once that adrenalin gets pumping it's very hard to think, everything goes back to muscle memory. Hence why Wolverine can still fight, as fighting is tied to muscle memory, in the military and martial arts it's constantly taught to drill techniques so that when you get that adrenalin rush all the skills you need come naturally to you. However, there is no way to make logical thought patterns come naturally in this state, it just doesn't happen. Even if you COULD, it would take insane amounts of training, and the more adrenalin you get going, the harder it would be, hence why Wolverine has such a hard time thinking logically in his berserker state, his adrenalin is just through the ****ing roof.

Originally posted by Disappear
there are plenty of 300+ pound people out there. that doesn't mean they're lifting tons of weight. and a healing factor wouldn't increase his overall ability to lift by any great amount, it would allow him to lift the same amount of weight over a longer period. that's like saying if you recovered immediately [after tiring your muscles to exhaustion] doing a one-rep max, you'd be able to lift more. you wouldn't, you'd simply be able to lift again.

unless he's undergoing massive protein synthesis after every spec of physical exertion, which he's clearly not considering he hasn't become bloated with muscle after decades of high-intensity physical activity, a healing factor won't make him considerably stronger.

Not that I am supporting Wolverine in being a multiple ton lifter because I am not.

However when reviewing a "lifting" feat rather then looking at say the regenerative factors on his muscles it could enhance his neurological system allowing him to recoupe and send the flow of Acetyl choline to his nerve receptors faster as well as recover, who knows, it could be his strength is increased in a manner that reflects an explosive response.

Sliding muscle filament theory be damned I say!

His stats rise because of adrenalin. Humans have lifted cars (Tilted them, not over their head, it's still a HUGE amount of weight to lift, in most cases over 1000 lbs) in situations where their body overloaded them with adrenalin. Just as with all people, when your adrenalin kicks in, the blood vessels in your brain expand because of the amount of blood being pumped, thus it's harder to think. If you've ever been in a real fight, any sort of life-threatening emergency or a firefight, you'll know that once that adrenalin gets pumping it's very hard to think, everything goes back to muscle memory. Hence why Wolverine can still fight, as fighting is tied to muscle memory, in the military and martial arts it's constantly taught to drill techniques so that when you get that adrenalin rush all the skills you need come naturally to you. However, there is no way to make logical thought patterns come naturally in this state, it just doesn't happen. Even if you COULD, it would take insane amounts of training, and the more adrenalin you get going, the harder it would be, hence why Wolverine has such a hard time thinking logically in his berserker state, his adrenalin is just through the ****ing roof.

But he's as smart as a wounded dog when that happens.

Originally posted by long pig
Yeah, that's pretty much what I said. But, it still means, in berserk mode, he's at least a 4ton character. His speed and healing also increase.

But he's as smart as a wounded dog when that happens.

Was stating it to clarify for the slower crowd, I.E. Capt.

He's not slow, he's completely friggin' stopped.

Originally posted by capt it up
your right and wrong. he does not lose any intelligence when he goes berserker.

Originally posted by capt it up
however fighting and tactic wise his brain is still in prefect form even to the point of being said to beat 4 chest computers while doing a olympic gold metal ruteen.

nataku, i was assuming wolverine's respiratory system was significantly enhanced to the point where oxygen deprivation would become a non-issue, given how tirelessly he's able to continue rigorous activity. i see the flub in what i said v. what i meant, though.

Originally posted by Disappear
nataku, i was assuming wolverine's respiratory system was significantly enhanced to the point where oxygen deprivation would become a non-issue, given how tirelessly he's able to continue rigorous activity. i see the flub in what i said v. what i meant, though.

Originally posted by Nataku8188
It'd have to do with the growth of his muscles, his muscles would heal faster, and thus, he'd be able to increase the growth rate of his muscles. That's how having the extra weight would make his muscles, per pound, stronger than a humans. He'd be able to handle the extra weight and benefit from it. His endurance has nothing to do with how fast his muscles heal, it has to do with how much oxygen can get to the muscles. When you run, your legs initially get tired because your heart and lungs aren't getting enough oxygen-rich blood to the muscles fast enough. After a certain amount of time, the muscles themselves do start to tear, but that takes MUCH longer than the exhaustion caused by a lack of oxygen and just plain 'ole glucose.

So in the end, he'd end up slightly stronger than a peak human, just because he ISN'T a human, his physiology allows his muscles to heal from stress beyond what the normal limits are, you can only push yourself so far before your muscles just can't heal themselves.

His stats rise because of adrenalin. Humans have lifted cars (Tilted them, not over their head, it's still a HUGE amount of weight to lift, in most cases over 1000 lbs) in situations where their body overloaded them with adrenalin. Just as with all people, when your adrenalin kicks in, the blood vessels in your brain expand because of the amount of blood being pumped, thus it's harder to think. If you've ever been in a real fight, any sort of life-threatening emergency or a firefight, you'll know that once that adrenalin gets pumping it's very hard to think, everything goes back to muscle memory. Hence why Wolverine can still fight, as fighting is tied to muscle memory, in the military and martial arts it's constantly taught to drill techniques so that when you get that adrenalin rush all the skills you need come naturally to you. However, there is no way to make logical thought patterns come naturally in this state, it just doesn't happen. Even if you COULD, it would take insane amounts of training, and the more adrenalin you get going, the harder it would be, hence why Wolverine has such a hard time thinking logically in his berserker state, his adrenalin is just through the ****ing roof.

By the way, when did Wolverine get an upgrade and what got upgraded?

Don't know about Wolverine's upgrades, but here are my new Wolverine upgrades. Yessir