Darkseid vs. Thanos

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Actually DS has hurt the AM and absorbed the power of all those pantheons he killed.

I'd ask for evidence of your second assertion.

And there is no evidence that he hurt the AM with his own powers. He pushed a button and then Anti-Moniter was blasted. Since when are his Omegas operated by the push of a button?

ANd as for the Astro force, you are incorrect, the astro force is the exact oppostie of the OE. THey are flip sides of the same coin.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. The Alpha Bullets are the opposite of the OE, as explained in the original New God series.

The Astro Force is the Wrath of the Source, a weapon that can only be wielded by one who stands firmly in the light but knows, understands and is born of the darkness.

Which is why only Orion can wield it properly.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS Stopped the power of The God Wave, He also Hurt The AM, and has Hurt Imperiex, He has destroyed Galaxies and Planets with his mere presence, and even was able to heal the source along with High father. When ODin can heal half the power of the Heart of the Universe, let me know. I'm not impressed with Odin. He's not any more powerful than DS. SOrry buddy.

DS didn't stop the power of the Godwave with his own power. He planned for years to harness it, and then Ares came and tried to steal it. He then used his technology - no evidence of him doing it on his own - to trap him like a fly in amber while he was at his weakest.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Where has DS dstroyed galaxies.

As someone who is a HUGE fan of the character, I can confidently say "never".

Originally posted by Desaad
I'd ask for evidence of your second assertion.

And there is no evidence that he hurt the AM with his own powers. He pushed a button and then Anti-Moniter was blasted. Since when are his Omegas operated by the push of a button?

Sorry, but you are incorrect. The Alpha Bullets are the opposite of the OE, as explained in the original New God series.

The Astro Force is the Wrath of the Source, a weapon that can only be wielded by one who stands firmly in the light but knows, understands and is born of the darkness.

Which is why only Orion can wield it properly.

We will have to differ. I have read that the Astro force is the flip of the OE. They both come from the source. which is why DS can't use it on SUperman the way he would like.

Originally posted by Desaad
As someone who is a HUGE fan of the character, I can confidently say "never".

he doesn't have to. He's hurt beings who can destroy universes. And the Spectre who is more powerful than The multiverse. Has Odin ever did anything like that?

Originally posted by Desaad
Well, Shazam was using the magical artifacts of his realm to help him out.

The only thing that being on Apokolips did for Hal Spectre was make him murderously angry (more of an advantage than a disadvantage, I think).

Agreed here...I don't see any evidence that Highfather is as powerful as Odin. He's had some impressive showings, undoubtedly, as what he did in GDS or the way he undoes what Darkseid does, or his casual dismissal of near-top tiers, etc.

Probably not as impressive, though, as transporting two worlds with the Omegas.

Really more in line with what Highfather did, which is transport the two populations from one world to the other.

Meh, Masterson Thor has done pretty well against Annihilus too.

Definitely more impressive than anything we've seen from Darkseid, Highfather or Thanos.

This was retconned. Odin was tapping into the cosmic being "Infinity"'s power to do all that.

Now Odin was using The Odin force in Thor #60 to explain to Thor how to tap into it's potential.

The only Infinity Odin has ever encountered is his self, the part of his mind that had a piece of the Odin Force. Now I've never seen him encounter the abstract Infinity, but if you have proof that would be nice.

So you were lying when you said

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He has destroyed Galaxies and Planets with his mere presence

Originally posted by Mr Master
ALE is NOT Multiversal at all.

It is surely more powerful than a Universal destroyer, but it CAN'T even leave it's own Realm.

As a matter of fact, the ALE CAN'T Survive outside it's own Realm.

Therefore the ALE would Never be able to attack or damage any other Universe.
(hence, NOT Multiversal)

Thats only if you are using the rather outdated and never-before-seen Starlin version of the Anti-Life Entity.

The Kirby/Byrne/Simonson/Evanier/Morrison version of the concept made Orion one of the most powerful beings in the Multiverse, according to Metron.

And then went ahead and destroyed the Ecruos, which was most definitely a multiversal destroyer.

That said, the reason that Darkseid can't conquer the universe is because of New Genesis, which is as powerful as Apokolips.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
We will have to differ. I have read that the Astro force is the flip of the OE. They both come from the source. which is why DS can't use it on SUperman the way he would like.

Everything comes from the Source.

From the Source was born all matter, all energy, all life.

We can leave it at "differing" if you want, but I'm giving you what was stated in the original Kirby books.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he doesn't have to. He's hurt beings who can destroy universes. And the Spectre who is more powerful than The multiverse. Has Odin ever did anything like that?

Hal as the Spectre was not more powerful than the Multiverse. He was about Skyfather level, in my mind.

It was specifically said that he wasn't given the full power of the Spectre.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
DS Stopped the power of The God Wave, He also Hurt The AM, and has Hurt Imperiex, He has destroyed Galaxies and Planets with his mere presence, and even was able to heal the source along with High father. When ODin can heal half the power of the Heart of the Universe, let me know. I'm not impressed with Odin. He's not any more powerful than DS. SOrry buddy.

Darkseid didn't stop the god wave under his own power. It took him years to find out how to harness the power, something Odin(without any prep at all) or Thanos could have easily done.

He used tech to "hurt" AM, that's not really impressive.

Superman hurt Imperix, and Thor has nearly killed Galactus. Not a big deal considering what Odin has done and can do.

When has DS ever destroyed a Galaxy, or even a planet for that matter? and I'm talking about under his own power, without the use of prep or tech.

Feat wise, Odin is easily more powerful than DS and that's with many less appearances.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Now Odin was using The Odin force in Thor #60 to explain to Thor how to tap into it's potential.

The only Infinity Odin has ever encountered is his self, the part of his mind that had a piece of the Odin Force. Now I've never seen him encounter the abstract Infinity, but if you have proof that would be nice.

It was revealled in an issue of Quasar. I'll look it up, to be sure, but the basic story was that he unknowingly tapped into the Infinity being and took a small fraction of her power, which allowed him to do all that crazy, insane jazz.

Its a retcon.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
he doesn't have to. He's hurt beings who can destroy universes. And the Spectre who is more powerful than The multiverse. Has Odin ever did anything like that?

Thor hurt and nearly destroyed Galactus. Does this no mean that he's some skyfather lv character who can destroy and demolish galaxies at a whim?

Odin's mind was destroying the universe, something Darkseid has never and can't do.

Originally posted by Desaad
It was revealled in an issue of Quasar. I'll look it up, to be sure, but the basic story was that he unknowingly tapped into the Infinity being and took a small fraction of her power, which allowed him to do all that crazy, insane jazz.

Its a retcon.

If you can get that it would be nice.

Oh yea, and which feats were you saying had been retconed?

Originally posted by Soujaboy
Darkseid didn't stop the god wave under his own power. It took him years to find out how to harness the power, something Odin(without any prep at all) or Thanos could have easily done.

Uh.

No.

It took years and the Infinity Well (ie, not his own research) for Thanos to figure out how the Infinity Gems could work together.

Darkseid and Desaad figured it out in, what, minutes in JLA/Avengers?

Your above statement is pure speculation.

He used tech to "hurt" AM, that's not really impressive.

I think its VERY impressive, actually. No one else could do it, and Darkseid did it with the push of a single button.

Thats maybe one of the most powerful tech feats of any reoccuring character in either universe (below Galactus and his like).

Superman hurt Imperix, and Thor has nearly killed Galactus. Not a big deal considering what Odin has done and can do.

Superman hurt Imperiex when he was wielding the power of Kismet/Strange Visitor -- an abstract being.

Thor nearly killed Galactus while he was fighting Ego and was terribly weak.

Meanwhile, Odin has never actually shown the ability to fight/hurt Galactus.

When has DS ever destroyed a Galaxy, or even a planet for that matter? and I'm talking about under his own power, without the use of prep or tech.

In GDS it was said that the fight between he and Orion would roast the planet. And there is one scene in which he is fighting Highfather that planets are destroyed in their battle, but I think thats more metaphorical than anything.

Feat wise, Odin is easily more powerful than DS and that's with many less appearances.

He's also got some low ones, like being captured by a bunch of aliens...

But I don't think there is any argument that Odin is more powerful than Darkseid.

Originally posted by Soujaboy
If you can get that it would be nice.

Oh yea, and which feats were you saying had been retconed?

Consider it got...

"I spend my time searching for the face of...Infinity. I glimpsed her hand once -- many cycles ago -- when a tiny fraction of her power was being tapped by the Earth-God Odin..*"

*The father of the Mighty Thor -- see Thor 185

Quasar 19, Page 3.

I'd post the scan, but I don't think I'm allowed to yet, based on my post count.

Oh, and I'm saying the entire Infinity saga was retconned. None of that stuff counts, in my book.

Originally posted by Desaad
Uh.

No.

It took years and the Infinity Well (ie, not his own research) for Thanos to figure out how the Infinity Gems could work together.

Darkseid and Desaad figured it out in, what, minutes in JLA/Avengers?

Your above statement is pure speculation.

I think its VERY impressive, actually. No one else could do it, and Darkseid did it with the push of a single button.

Thats maybe one of the most powerful tech feats of any reoccuring character in either universe (below Galactus and his like).

Superman hurt Imperiex when he was wielding the power of Kismet/Strange Visitor -- an abstract being.

Thor nearly killed Galactus while he was fighting Ego and was terribly weak.

Meanwhile, Odin has never actually shown the ability to fight/hurt Galactus.

In GDS it was said that the fight between he and Orion would roast the planet. And there is one scene in which he is fighting Highfather that planets are destroyed in their battle, but I think thats more metaphorical than anything.

He's also got some low ones, like being captured by a bunch of aliens...

But I don't think there is any argument that Odin is more powerful than Darkseid.

Fair enough, but Odin vs Darkseid is for another thread.

Originally posted by Desaad
Uh.

No.

It took years and the Infinity Well (ie, not his own research) for Thanos to figure out how the Infinity Gems could work together.

Darkseid and Desaad figured it out in, what, minutes in JLA/Avengers?

Your above statement is pure speculation.

I think its VERY impressive, actually. No one else could do it, and Darkseid did it with the push of a single button.

Thats maybe one of the most powerful tech feats of any reoccuring character in either universe (below Galactus and his like).

Superman hurt Imperiex when he was wielding the power of Kismet/Strange Visitor -- an abstract being.

Thor nearly killed Galactus while he was fighting Ego and was terribly weak.

Meanwhile, Odin has never actually shown the ability to fight/hurt Galactus.

In GDS it was said that the fight between he and Orion would roast the planet. And there is one scene in which he is fighting Highfather that planets are destroyed in their battle, but I think thats more metaphorical than anything.

He's also got some low ones, like being captured by a bunch of aliens...

But I don't think there is any argument that Odin is more powerful than Darkseid.

QUestion, why is it a metaphorical thing when Planets get destroyed and nto when Odin does it? It never said on panel it was metaphorical.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
QUestion, why is it a metaphorical thing when Planets get destroyed and nto when Odin does it? It never said on panel it was metaphorical.

It's actually shown when Odin does it. 😐

Originally posted by Soujaboy
It's actually shown when Odin does it. 😐

It was shown as well. I remember reading the book where DS and Highfather destroyed Planets in thier battle. Actually in Jack Kirby's 4th world, DS and Highfather are shown shaking the entire cosmos all the way from the 4th world into the main DCU. DS also has half the power it takes to heal the source. Odin is NOT more powerful than the likes of DS. And I'll stand by it.