Well all of my middle school career, and my first year of High School, I've kept an above 90 average in my Italian class. This year however, my grades have gone down to the high 60/low 70 range.
My teacher is not able to teach because the rest of my class is extremely disruptive. It is very unfair to the two or three students in that class who are actually trying to learn.
For this, I blame it on the rest of the class, and partly on the teacher for not being able to control the class.
That said, just to brag a bit..........my Chemistry average is 101.
I say that 89% is the Parent's fault and 11% is the teacher's fault.
Look, some children may be born with a stubborn attitude or lazyness, but Parents who care about their children can fix that, IF they start at a young age. Discipline them, make them grateful, and so on. If the parents grow their child well, then the child WILL listen, and WILL study.
These lazy attitudes get to the children these days because parents are afraid of either arguing with them, punishing their children, and etc...
Originally posted by ~Flamboyant~
Well all of my middle school career, and my first year of High School, I've kept an above 90 average in my Italian class. This year however, my grades have gone down to the high 60/low 70 range.My teacher is not able to teach because the rest of my class is extremely disruptive. It is very unfair to the two or three students in that class who are actually trying to learn.
For this, I blame it on the rest of the class, and partly on the teacher for not being able to control the class.
That said, just to brag a bit..........my Chemistry average is 101.
What measures can she take to control the class?? Many of these children can't be controlled period. What's he/she going to do, throw them out? Or maybe she could launch them into the sun?
Re: Who's at fault when students fail?
Originally posted by Oncewhite
Who's at fault when students fail? The parents, the school, the child, or all of them?
Generally? The students. You can't teach those who don't want to learn.
There is the occasional case of a student doing poorly in a class due to the teacher, but those cases are rare, and it is generally the laziness of the student that can be attributed to failure.
Any student can easily, and I mean easily pass a class simply by putting a little bit of effort into it. Of course, there are learning disabilities and the like, but everything can be passed... especially standardized tests, which I find easy to an almost unnecessary level. On a test I took last year, one only needed to answer 46% of the questions correct in order to attain a 67 and pass the test.
Originally posted by Spidervlad
I say that 89% is the Parent's fault and 11% is the teacher's fault.
Look, some children may be born with a stubborn attitude or lazyness, but Parents who care about their children can fix that, IF they start at a young age. Discipline them, make them grateful, and so on. If the parents grow their child well, then the child WILL listen, and WILL study.These lazy attitudes get to the children these days because parents are afraid of either arguing with them, punishing their children, and etc...
This, however, I do agree with. Parents these days are too soft on kids. Of course, I hate when mine discipline me (though I rarely do anything worth disciplining) but it is necessary, and I'd much rather be disciplined than be able to do whatever I want. Who knows, I could have ended up much different had my parents not cared about what I did.
But to play the Devil's advocate, there are children that no matter what the upbringing and no matter what the outside factors, they still refuse to learn and accept failure in school.
Originally posted by Grinning Goku
What measures can she take to control the class?? Many of these children can't be controlled period. What's he/she going to do, throw them out? Or maybe she could launch them into the sun?
diddnt bother to read many posts to this question because i will always believe that it is always most likely the students fault for failing. If i child in school has a consistan d average through out three years of school. The only probable explanation is that the child fails to pay attention or has some kind of earning disability. If the child does indeed have some kind of learning dissability it is then the parents responsibility to acknowledge this. it is only the teachers reasponsibility to teach the curriculum, nothing more and nothing less. A teacher who incoorperated their own spin on the subject and the teacher who identifies the childs learning dissability, is one who goes above the call of duty. People need to take responsibility in this day and age. In the 50's-70's there was very little liberal influence in the school systems and those students did just fine. When the government steps in and dictates what the parents responsibility is in there childs education, you have an assembly line instead of an outlet of self discovery and world realization
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
diddnt bother to read many posts to this question because i will always believe that it is always most likely the students fault for failing. If i child in school has a consistan d average through out three years of school. The only probable explanation is that the child fails to pay attention or has some kind of earning disability. If the child does indeed have some kind of learning dissability it is then the parents responsibility to acknowledge this. it is only the teachers reasponsibility to teach the curriculum, nothing more and nothing less. A teacher who incoorperated their own spin on the subject and the teacher who identifies the childs learning dissability, is one who goes above the call of duty. People need to take responsibility in this day and age. In the 50's-70's there was very little liberal influence in the school systems and those students did just fine. When the government steps in and dictates what the parents responsibility is in there childs education, you have an assembly line instead of an outlet of self discovery and world realization
yeah, but your teachers should have forced you to SPELL check, then, we would understand your point easier. 😱
Originally posted by Oncewhite
yeah, but your teachers should have forced you to SPELL check, then, we would understand your point easier. 😱
my point exactly... This is not the responsibility of a teacher. It is my responsibility, and one i neglected. Besides, i diddnt mis spell many words, I missed a few letters in my haste.
Re: Who's at fault when students fail?
Originally posted by Oncewhitesometimes its the teacher. afew teachers ive had before grade your paper of the work you did judging of how they like you. some of them do that.
Who's at fault when students fail? The parents, the school, the child, or all of them?
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
my point exactly... This is not the responsibility of a teacher. It is my responsibility, and one i neglected. Besides, i diddnt mis spell many words, I missed a few letters in my haste.
call it what you want, the fact of the matter is, most know that the environment shapes a child, in a broad sense, environment shapes our health and overall psyche, it even has an effect on the food we eat. the environment that "surrounds" us, no matter if it's elemental/ecological environment or "people", it still has an effect on our mind, physical and/or mental health, and shouldn't be ignored just because a few argue for self sufficiency. this is why MOST parents of UPPER CLASS families keep their children in environments that are conducive for learning, the structure shapes the psyche and aids in self discipline, sure, it's up to the person, but in the stage of formation, environment is an essential factor, and, although i have paralleled many aspects of environment that seem unrelated, i will go further and state that even in child birth, the mother's womb/environment (her mood, the type of nutrient she eats, the air she breaths, water, mental health) has an enormous effect on the overall development of the (potential growth of the) child's physical, emotional, and intellectual growth, even though, it's really up to the fetus to actually grow, but what's the point of planting a seed in the desert, the seeds job is to flourish. if a seed is like a fetus, the environment has a enormous effect on success of that seed/fetus, and just because a few seeds do spout, doesn't mean that you start a Martha's vineyard in the sand. and if you do start planting seeds in the desert, arguing that a few made it, and therefore the survival of the fittest is the master chess game at play, then don't scratch your head years later wondering why you and your society is starving b/c a lack of harvest. environment (social, ecological, societal (family and friends), educational) is essential part of mental, physical, emotional, psyche development, from infancy and throughout our life span on earth.
Originally posted by fini
As a teacher, I realise that most of the problems come from home........... that being the child, lack of discipline, parents that dont encourage studying, children who dont care about work, parents who also dont care bout work( yes I have met a few that say that their child already has a job lined up after school, so why stress!!)Most students these days are LAZY, they refuse to sit down and even try. Even the school system is getting lazy to KEEP DOWN ( not up) with these lazy students. Students that want to do the work, I push them so that they can at least get the amount of work that is required. The others, just waste everyone's time......... I've fallen back with my class by trying to be superteacher and trying to get through to everyone, which was a mistake.
MIND you there are some cases where it is the teacher's fault, but then again, a child is in school for 15 years, and usually the get one teacher for just one year, so that cant be the reason a child fails at school.
At my school, the IT teacher, is rarely ever there, she only does practicals and never teaches the theory ( which is what comes for written exams). I dont get her, she has the brightest , most disciplined classes in the school and she just comes when she wants.To answer the question
Child = 50-70%
PArents = depends
Teacher = 10-25%
Other influences = depends
Wow, it's nice to have a teacher's point of view!! I agree with what you are stating, the responsibility or burden is on the child/learner, but I agree with your statement only if the environmental aspects are taken care of, meaning, GOOD books, GOOD teachers, GOOD organizational curricula, and GOOD administration of rules and overall conditions of the facility.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
call it what you want, the fact of the matter is, most know that the environment shapes a child, in a broad sense, environment shapes our health and overall psyche, it even has an effect on the food we eat. the environment that "surrounds" us, no matter if it's elemental/ecological environment or "people", it still has an effect on our mind, physical and/or mental health, and shouldn't be ignored just because a few argue for self sufficiency. this is why MOST parents of UPPER CLASS families keep their children in environments that are conducive for learning, the structure shapes the psyche and aids in self discipline, sure, it's up to the person, but in the stage of formation, environment is an essential factor, and, although i have paralleled many aspects of environment that seem unrelated, i will go further and state that even in child birth, the mother's womb/environment (her mood, the type of nutrient she eats, the air she breaths, water, mental health) has an enormous effect on the overall development of the (potential growth of the) child's physical, emotional, and intellectual growth, even though, it's really up to the fetus to actually grow, but what's the point of planting a seed in the desert, the seeds job is to flourish. [b] if a seed is like a fetus, the environment has a enormous effect on success of that seed/fetus, and just because a few seeds do spout, doesn't mean that you start a Martha's vineyard in the sand. and if you do start planting seeds in the desert, arguing that a few made it, and therefore the survival of the fittest is the master chess game at play, then don't scratch your head years later wondering why you and your society is starving b/c a lack of harvest. environment (social, ecological, societal (family and friends), educational) is essential part of mental, physical, emotional, psyche development, from infancy and throughout our life span on earth. [/B]
so, in other words it is up to the student? I fail to find your point. It seems you are siding with both sides of the argument that it is the responsibility of the teachers as well as the student and parent.
Originally posted by Oncewhite
call it what you want, the fact of the matter is, most know that the environment shapes a child, in a broad sense, environment shapes our health and overall psyche, it even has an effect on the food we eat. the environment that "surrounds" us, no matter if it's elemental/ecological environment or "people", it still has an effect on our mind, physical and/or mental health, and shouldn't be ignored just because a few argue for self sufficiency. this is why MOST parents of UPPER CLASS families keep their children in environments that are conducive for learning, the structure shapes the psyche and aids in self discipline, sure, it's up to the person, but in the stage of formation, environment is an essential factor, and, although i have paralleled many aspects of environment that seem unrelated, i will go further and state that even in child birth, the mother's womb/environment (her mood, the type of nutrient she eats, the air she breaths, water, mental health) has an enormous effect on the overall development of the (potential growth of the) child's physical, emotional, and intellectual growth, even though, it's really up to the fetus to actually grow, but what's the point of planting a seed in the desert, the seeds job is to flourish. [b] if a seed is like a fetus, the environment has a enormous effect on success of that seed/fetus, and just because a few seeds do spout, doesn't mean that you start a Martha's vineyard in the sand. and if you do start planting seeds in the desert, arguing that a few made it, and therefore the survival of the fittest is the master chess game at play, then don't scratch your head years later wondering why you and your society is starving b/c a lack of harvest. environment (social, ecological, societal (family and friends), educational) is essential part of mental, physical, emotional, psyche development, from infancy and throughout our life span on earth. [/B]
I would like to dedicate the preceding quote to all those who love inner beauty more than outer beauty.
From a readibility standpoint in lament's terms, substance over appearance/convenience from a readibility standpoint.