Would you still Worship Christ if....

You have no basis to make those claims. And who cares?

Originally posted by Thundar
This is why yours and Urizen's version of Love will never be able exist beyond death. Your love is limited, and you know it -- as you both are inherently afraid of death and or hell and the suffering that comes along with it. When I die, my Love will continue. When you die - your Love will die with you.

1) This is simply your beleif, not not fact.

2) How do you know my Love is limitted? My love is not conditional, unlike your own and unlike your deity's is.

3) I may fear Death to a degree, but I do not fear Hell. Hell does not exist.

4) When you die, you will be reborn as will I. There is no difference between you and myself, other than that you devote yourself wholeheartedly and closed mindedly to a delusion.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
😐 + 🤨 *no comment*

Islam sucks...that simple.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Excuse me? Where in that post did I say "forget about Jesus"?

You stated you would no longer worship him and convert to Judaism or Islam..you really are afraid of Hell, aren't you ? 😬

Denouncing Christianity is forgetting Jesus, and betraying him as well.

If I worshipped Christ, or Loved him the way you all claim too, I would not disown him or stop loving him just because he was human. Does him being human make him less worthy or your adoration, somehow ?

That's fkn pathetic....your love must be conditional then.

If I truly loved Christ, I'd stick by him and his word 100%, no matter what. And I'm not even fkn Christian....

I don´t think anything would happen to christianity if that was proven.

Much of religion is about blind devotion to beliefs and ideas that one doesn´t understand and doesn´t seek to understand, not actually about truth and understanding. Religion creates the illusion of spiritual safety for people who doesn´t care about spirituality but still believe that there are consequences. Of course there are rare exceptions.

A proof like that would make people feel very unsafe about their illusion of spirituality and this is against the purpose of religion.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Islam sucks...that simple.

Yeah I know....you're Islamaphobic.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
You stated you would no longer worship him and convert to Judaism or Islam..you really are afraid of Hell, aren't you ? 😬

Denouncing Christianity is forgetting Jesus, and betraying him as well.

If I worshipped Christ, or Loved him the way you all claim too, I would not disown him or stop loving him just because he was human. Does him being human make him less worthy or your adoration, somehow ?

That's fkn pathetic....your love must be conditional then.

If I truly loved Christ, I'd stick by him and his word 100%, no matter what. And I'm not even fkn Christian....

Nice points, but if it was proven that Jesus lacked divinty, then there's really no point in worshipping him, is there?? That would be a textbook example of denial.

I stand correct: I would become a Muslim if that were the case. Because like Christianity, Islam also emphasizes the Afterlife, I've read the Koran and liked it, and I admire the religion.

And also, you seem to think that I would cast Jesus and his teachings aside; that's not true. In Islam, he's God's second greatest prophet. The Koran speaks very highly of him, and he's mentioned by name in it 93 times, which is more than he is mentioned by name in the entire New Testament.

Even if it was proven he was just a man, we humans would still say he was sent by God, or told by God to lead humanity and that time just twisted the Son of God thing.

He'd still be worshiped as a savior of some sort.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Let's just say that in some future timeline where we still exist, there was[b] concrete proof that Jesus Christ was simply a human being and was never resurrected.

I don't know what the proof would be, but for argument's sake, let us just say it was universally proven by all standards, and there was no more room for denial.

Would you abandon Christ ? Would you no longer worship him ? Would you deny his words, and forget about him as your savior ? (to all Christians)

Or

Would you still love him because of the teachings he has presented to you ? Would you remain loyal despite his lack of divinity, despite his being a human being, because of the example he set ? [/B]

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Let's just say that in some future timeline where we still exist, there was[b] concrete proof that Jesus Christ was simply a human being and was never resurrected.

I don't know what the proof would be, but for argument's sake, let us just say it was universally proven by all standards, and there was no more room for denial.

Would you abandon Christ ? Would you no longer worship him ? Would you deny his words, and forget about him as your savior ? (to all Christians)

Or

Would you still love him because of the teachings he has presented to you ? Would you remain loyal despite his lack of divinity, despite his being a human being, because of the example he set ? [/B]

This hypothetical question has no intrinsic value so why ask it? There is not now nor will there ever be any proof--concrete or theoretical--that Jesus is anything but divine. Yes, Jesus is God. Sorry, but there is just no other way for me to respond to this inane scenario.

Oh, I almost forgot: Jesus loves you too.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This hypothetical question has no intrinsic value so why ask it? There is not now nor will there ever be any proof--concrete or theoretical--that Jesus is anything but divine. Yes, Jesus is God. Sorry, but there is just no other way for me to respond to this inane scenario.

Oh, I almost forgot: Jesus loves you too.

JIA...it is a hypothetical question. You must view it that way. I believe and you believe that there is a God. But if one comes into this forum and chooses to answer someones post, they must take the post for what it is...in this case hypothetical. Really think on this one JIA. It's a good question..even for believers of God.

Originally posted by marcu
JIA...it is a hypothetical question. You must view it that way. I believe and you believe that there is a God. But if one comes into this forum and chooses to answer someones post, they must take the post for what it is...in this case hypothetical. Really think on this one JIA. It's a good question..even for believers of God.

Unfortunately I don't concur Marcu, it's really nothing more than a vieled attempt(pathetic one at that) to get unbelievers and believers to blapheme and deny the Holy Spirit. It falls right up there in patheticness with the whole James Cameron crappy stunt.

I can only think that since such pathetic juvenile drivel has had little effect on true believers over the years, the only last ditch(and equally pathetic) effort used by Satan to undermine Christ will be to pretend that he is Christ. Funnily enough, the last laugh will be God's as everything that's going on right now - has already been foretold by God himself within the scriptures. Or as He(God) himself has put it --

Isaiah 48:3
Things of the past I foretold long ago, they went forth from my mouth, I let you hear of them; then suddenly I took action and they came to be.

Thundar, I didn't view the original question as an "attempt" to get believers and non-believers to deny the Holy Spirit. If you read the original post...it was clearly stated that it was the poster didn't know what proof that would actually be and "let's just say" as in it being hypothetical. Christians who are strong in their faith should have no trouble interacting and answering such a question. The original poster could have worded that much differently and THEN I could see reason to get up in arms about it...but that was not the case.

I love God. I believe in Him with my whole heart. I KNOW that HE is there and I will see Him one day. But, what good does it do to ignore all topics here and the non-believers if we can't let go for a second and answer them and show we are real people too?

marcu the difference between you and Thundar is that you assume the positive about people, and that is why I like you. However, Thundar always assumes the worst from people, and he then gets the worse.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
marcu the difference between you and Thundar is that you assume the positive about people, and that is why I like you. However, Thundar always assumes the worst from people, and he then gets the worse.

Not true at all. I see good in many things. But I still know evil when I see it, and I will not conform to it just because a few people don't like me.

I don't know anything about JIA or Thundar in terms of their upbringing or how they became Christians. I DO know that I am very sensitive to the way Christians interact with non-believers. I had a very bad taste in my mouth for many years over the actions and judgements that the Christians and Churches around me dished out. It took me many years to accept Christ after seeing that stuff. Disrespect for ANY person, regardless of their faith or lack of faith is not acceptable to me at all.

I don't understand why the question could be viewed as so terrible. If one believes in God, and wants to witness/interact with non-believers...then why not view it as hypothetical and answer it? Strange.

Originally posted by Thundar
Not true at all. I see good in many things. But I still know evil when I see it, and I will not conform to it just because a few people don't like me.

However, I think you see what you believe to be evil first.

Originally posted by Thundar
Not true at all. I see good in many things. But I still know evil when I see it, and I will not conform to it just because a few people don't like me.

But Thundar, the question was not for you to denounce God. It was a "what if" question to see how you would react to such an event. You and I both know it will NEVER happen...so why not answer and show some real dialogue? Please explain.

I would not EVER be strung into believing there was no God or that Jesus was just a regular guy who did nice things and not the son of God. A hypothetical question is just that...hypothetical.

Originally posted by marcu
But Thundar, the question was not for you to denounce God. It was a "what if" question to see how you would react to such an event. You and I both know it will NEVER happen...so why not answer and show some real dialogue? Please explain.

I would not EVER be strung into believing there was no God or that Jesus was just a regular guy who did nice things and not the son of God. A hypothetical question is just that...hypothetical.

Basically the question being asked was...

"Would you follow the anti-Christ?"

Again it was a stupid vieled question, meant to lead people astray.

That being said --

I've already answered the question, but let me answer again for you. If Christ was found to be a liar, everything he said would be full of lies, and he would have lead millions of people to death with such a doctrine. It would be difficult for me to have much love or respect for anti-Christ who purposefully mislead millions of people for selfish motivations.

On a related note -- I can generally tell when a question is asked with sincerity, or if the motivation behind it is really meant to disparage someone or with evil intent. From my limited experiences interacting with Urizen, it's fairly apparent that his modus operandi is always to disparage Christianity upon opening up topics like these. Just click on his name, and read anyone of his threads and you'll clearly see what I'm talking about.

Thundar do you think you will ever help Lord Urizen?

If you really have a non-selfish intent, you would never give up on anyone. Lord Urizen is not evil. He is young and having to struggle with the complexities of his life. If you have something to offer him, you would listen and address him with compassion regardless of his misguided intent. I’m not saying you have to condone his point of view, but to discard him, reflex poorly on you.

Originally posted by Thundar
Basically the question being asked was...

"Would you follow the anti-Christ?"

Again it was a stupid vieled question, meant to lead people astray.

That being said --

I've already answered the question, but let me answer again for you. If Christ was found to be a liar, everything he said would be full of lies, and he would have lead millions of people to death with such a doctrine. It would be difficult for me to have much love or respect for anti-Christ who purposefully mislead millions of people for selfish motivations.

On a related note -- I can generally tell when a question is asked with sincerity, or if the motivation behind it is really meant to disparage someone or with evil intent. From my limited experiences interacting with Urizen, it's fairly apparent that his modus operandi is always to disparage Christianity upon opening up topics like these. Just click on his name, and read anyone of his threads and you'll clearly see what I'm talking about.

And the simple answer for most Christians should be that they would no longer believe as they have concerning Christ but his teachings would still be held in high esteem because they are intrinsically based in humanitarian principle. If Christ is, or is not, who we believe him to be, the value of his teachings is the reason someone should live them, not for some reward for living them. For the value of living them, regardless of the end reward.

I do not believe in existence as a Buddhist does, but much of their teachings are honest and beneficial for all people. I do not believe as many religions do, but almost all religions have some truth that is beneficial for man.

Regardless of our opinion of Urizen, the question is being discussed. If you cannot respond appropriately to the thread there is no point in participating in it. Which is what Marcu has correctly stated.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This hypothetical question has no intrinsic value so why ask it? There is not now nor will there ever be any proof--concrete or theoretical--that Jesus is anything but divine. Yes, Jesus is God. Sorry, but there is just no other way for me to respond to this inane scenario.

Oh, I almost forgot: Jesus loves you too.

Wow, way to dodge the question... key word "Hypothetical", as in "What if" not "When it happens". There is also zero concrete proof that Jesus was devine, it all boils down to faith and faith isn't "concrete proof".