Would you still Worship Christ if....

Originally posted by Alfheim
So why would you have to be a Jew or Christian there other religons you know? 🙄

Those would be the other religions that I would be willing to follow because they believe the same god; the God of Abraham.

I addressed that in my last post, if you even read it.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Those would be the other religions that I would be willing to follow because they believe the same god; the God of Abraham.

Yeah so what? Why do you have to follow the God of Abraham.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

I addressed that in my last post, if you even read it.

What this one.....

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Yeah I know....you're Islamaphobic.

Nice points, but if it was proven that Jesus lacked divinty, then there's really no point in worshipping him, is there?? That would be a textbook example of denial.

I stand correct: I would become a Muslim if that were the case. Because like Christianity, Islam also emphasizes the Afterlife, I've read the Koran and liked it, and I admire the religion.

And also, you seem to think that I would cast Jesus and his teachings aside; that's not true. In Islam, he's God's second greatest prophet. The Koran speaks very highly of him, and he's mentioned by name in it 93 times, which is more than he is mentioned by name in the entire New Testament.

If this is one I did read it....and?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
My statement has nothing to do with rather you think you are better then anyone else. I was questioning your need to test people. I think the person you are testing is really yourself. However, Marcu point is valid and not in contradiction to my point.

Well I've already failed the test in my own eyes. That's why I believe in Christ, cause I kinda already know that I haven't passed it, and that he's the only one who can get me through it. Belief in Christ gives me hope -- I mean if he can work with a guy like me(hypocritical nut-job), King David(murderer/adulturer), and countless other flawed human beings - than I believe that's proof enough he can work with anyone.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Yeah so what? Why do you have to follow the God of Abraham.

I choose to.

Originally posted by Alfheim
What this one.....

If this is one I did read it....and?

I explained why I would be a Muslim.

You honestly believe that I think there are only three religions in existence?? Be real.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I choose to.

Fair enough

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

I explained why I would be a Muslim.

You honestly believe that I think there are only three religions in existence?? Be real.

Well as long as your not being elitist thats fine. But at the same time did you mention earlier on you didnt have a problem with some people beating their wives. If so I can see why maybe you might have no problem in being muslim.

Originally posted by Thundar
Well I've already failed the test in my own eyes. That's why I believe in Christ, cause I kinda already know that I haven't passed it, and that he's the only one who can get me through it. Belief in Christ gives me hope -- I mean if he can work with a guy like me(hypocritical nut-job), King David(murderer/adulturer), and countless other flawed human beings - than I believe that's proof enough he can work with anyone.

I wasn't trying to criticize you; I was just trying to help you. Knowledge will set you free.

Originally posted by Alfheim
Well as long as your not being elitist thats fine. But at the same time did you mention earlier on you didnt have a problem with some people beating their wives. If so I can see why maybe you might have no problem in being muslim.

I find the Islamic views of God, sin and the Afterlife more appealing than the Christian, to be honest.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I find the Islamic views of God, sin and the Afterlife more appealing than the Christian, to be honest.

Id actually agree on that, but I bet you dont understand that the Christian view of orginal sin is actually about duality....in that regard the Christian view of sin makes more sense.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I wasn't trying to criticize you; I was just trying to help you. Knowledge will set you free.

Although I appreciate you trying to help, I really wasn't requesting it. I was just giving you an example of how great God's love is and how far reaching it is. My point was that if God can help someone like me or King David..he can help anyone..😉

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Originally posted by Thundar
Although I appreciate you trying to help, I was really wasn't requesting it. I was just giving you an example of how great God's love is and how far reaching it is. My point was that if God can help someone like me King David..he can help anyone..😉

You are welcome. 😄

Originally posted by Alfheim
Id actually agree on that, but I bet you dont understand that the Christian view of orginal sin is actually about duality....in that regard the Christian view of sin makes more sense.

I understand it plenty good.

Islamic view of sin: We're all born with a clean slate. Sin is an action only; not a state of being.

Christian view of sin: We're all born dirty sinners and need to spend the rest of our life repenting.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I understand it plenty good.

Islamic view of sin: We're all born with a clean slate. Sin is an action only; not a state of being.

Christian view of sin: We're all born dirty sinners and need to spend the rest of our life repenting.

Yeah but I think its more complicated than that. Regardless of wether you believe in Islam or not, one question bugs me is that why is it children suffer?

What has a child done to deserve pain. Well the story of adam and eve explains it. Whoever the first human being was that person perceieved duality in other words they were aware of opposites for example beautiful and ugly, hot and cold etc. In the Bible Paradise isnt just a place but a state of mind where these opposite where not perceived. The fall of man is trying its best in the bible to explain some thing that happened in a plane of reality which is not fully comperehended by the human mind, so man did fall but it the reason why its told in a story is that its the best medium for us humans to understand. The story is a metaphor.

At the end of the day when they talk about original sin, its talking about that state of mans mind. At the end of the day all humans will suffer until they learn to escape duality.

In Islam you may not have original sin but your still going to suffer..why, because God allowed it to happen. The Islamic God is basically a sadist.

I think a point of this thread that should be considered by just about anyone who has answered that they'd just become Jewish or Muslim needs to be: If one of the worlds major religions has just been proven completely false, why would I turn to another organized religion that has the overwhelming potential to be completely wrong as well?

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
I think a point of this thread that should be considered by just about anyone who has answered that they'd just become Jewish or Muslim needs to be: If one of the worlds major religions has just been proven completely false, why would I turn to another organized religion that has the overwhelming potential to be completely wrong as well?

There all supposed to be taken metaphorically anyway...shessshhh.

Originally posted by Alfheim
There all supposed to be taken metaphorically anyway...shessshhh.

That doesn't mean they are taken metaphorically.

Originally posted by Capt_Fantastic
That doesn't mean they [B]are taken metaphorically. [/B]

Yeah well there supposed to be and it would help if some athiests types understood that as well.

Originally posted by Thundar
On a related note -- I can generally tell when a question is asked with sincerity, or if the motivation behind it is really meant to disparage someone or with evil intent. From my limited experiences interacting with Urizen, it's fairly apparent that his modus operandi is always to disparage Christianity upon opening up topics like these. Just click on his name, and read anyone of his threads and you'll clearly see what I'm talking about.

😆 OH YES I AM THE ANTI CHRIST ! FEAR ME KMC !!!! I AM HERE TO DESTROY ALL OF YOU !!! 😈

GET REAL WHOB....seriously, you are such a zealot tool....

I just LOVE how you assume you know exactly what another's intentions are, and I LOVE how you always assume you know exactly what goes on in the minds of others..

How you claim we all "inheritantly" know that God truly exists, how you claim homosexuality is chosen by all homosexuals, how you will ignore all of our POV's and replace them with your own perceptions of good/evil, right/wrong, logic/reason.

You're pathetic 👇

This question is not aimed as bashing Jesus...

I've said OVER AND OVER I beleive Jesus Christ was a great man, like Buddha, but I think people who claim to folllow Christ do not truly know what that even means, and only beleive what they were taught for various reasons...

The question is aimed at questioning Christians, not Christ.

I wanted to know if CHRISTIANS would abandon Christ, someone they claim to love so0o0o much if he happened to be human.

Aparently, most of you would...which I find pathetic. Most of you Christians would abandon your beloved figure just because he doesn't have magical powers...which is sad.

As a Buddhist I admire and respect Buddha, and he being human does not interfere with that. I love my mother, my family, my freinds, my lovers, this world, animals, etc.

Nothing will change that. I love everyone for who they are (i may not like what people do or think, but i will never hate someone for who they are, nor abandon them so)

You even stated you would turn your back on Christ if he didn't truly resurrect from the dead. There goes his teachings, his word, his majesty, his influence on your life...all out the window, because you find out he has no magical powers....WOW

That say A LOT about YOU and your perceptions of LOYALTY

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
😆 [b]OH YES I AM THE ANTI CHRIST ! FEAR ME KMC !!!! I AM HERE TO DESTROY ALL OF YOU !!! 😈

GET REAL WHOB....seriously, you are such a zealot tool....

I just LOVE how you assume you know exactly what another's intentions are, and I LOVE how you always assume you know exactly what goes on in the minds of others..

How you claim we all "inheritantly" know that God truly exists, how you claim homosexuality is chosen by all homosexuals, how you will ignore all of our POV's and replace them with your own perceptions of good/evil, right/wrong, logic/reason.

You're pathetic 👇

This question is not aimed as bashing Jesus...

I've said OVER AND OVER I beleive Jesus Christ was a great man, like Buddha, but I think people who claim to folllow Christ do not truly know what that even means, and only beleive what they were taught for various reasons...

The question is aimed at questioning Christians, not Christ.

I wanted to know if CHRISTIANS would abandon Christ, someone they claim to love so0o0o much if he happened to be human.

Aparently, most of you would...which I find pathetic. Most of you Christians would abandon your beloved figure just because he doesn't have magical powers...which is sad.

As a Buddhist I admire and respect Buddha, and he being human does not interfere with that. I love my mother, my family, my freinds, my lovers, this world, animals, etc.

Nothing will change that. I love everyone for who they are (i may not like what people do or think, but i will never hate someone for who they are, nor abandon them so)

You even stated you would turn your back on Christ if he didn't truly resurrect from the dead. There goes his teachings, his word, his majesty, his influence on your life...all out the window, because you find out he has no magical powers....WOW

That say A LOT about YOU and your perceptions of LOYALTY [/B]

Those kind of Christians worshipers of the death of Jesus. They never talk about the teachings of Jesus. If they quote from the bible it will most likely be from Paul.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Those kind of Christians worshipers of the death of Jesus. They never talk about the teachings of Jesus. If they quote from the bible it will most likely be from Paul.

I notice that too....there are many Christians like Marcu who focus on his teachings of love, understanding, peace, tolerance, etc.

Then there are others who focus on his death and Hell like Whob (Thundar), Marcello, JIA, Usagi, etc.

Then there are those who lay in between: Nellinator, Regret, Feceman

Hi, Shaky. What's new?

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