Nihilus takes this, he's too damn powerful.
1. He was able to drain an entire force sensitive race, as well as hundreds of jedi, all at once. His drain is also different in nature to a regular drain, in that it causes havoc on infrastructure and pretty much drains the force out of everything, and the life out of everyone that gets in its way. He's also shown that he has the ability to do it at will, and near instantaneous as well. His drain was so strong that Traya described his use of it as something to which there is no defence.
2. With the force, he threw Traya around like a rag dole..
The same Traya who instantly force owned three powerful jedi masters, and who was able to see 4 thousand years into the future.
3. He escaped a physical death by transferring his consciousness into his armour when his physical body died. The fact that he knew such obscure techniques as this one makes it clear that his knowledge base must have been very large, and very great.
4. With the force, he tore his entire fleet, including his starship, The Ravager, out from the mass shadows of Malachor. That kind of TK is insane.
5. His drain was so damn powerful that it was always under constant effect, and would dominate the minds of virtually everyone around him, including even some force sensitives to a degree.
5. While on his ship, he would constantly hold his entire ship together through telekinesis. This kind of continuous use of the force would be extremely draining on his strength, yet even in this state, he was able to instantly stun The Exile, Visas Marr and the Mandalore at once. And even after subsequently being weakened by draining The Exile - a wound in the force, he was able to put up a good fight against all three of them, and almost defeat them, given that Visas still felt that even in that weakened state, he was still too powerful to defeat. In other words, while continuously using most of his energy, and after having been heavily weakened, he still kicked major ass.
He also possesses two major advantages against force users:
1. He's a wound in the force, which means that he gains the same advantage against other force users that the Yuuzhan Vong do. Exar won't be able to sense him through the force, he won't be able to read his thoughts/feelings, and he won't be able to directly affect him with the force. Technically, Darth Nihilus could just use a force camouflage, and Exar wouldn't be able to visibly see him, or sense where he is with the force. In other words, he would be screwed.
2. His consciousness lies within his armour, which means that the only way he can be killed is through the destruction of his armour.
Stop copying and pasting your description on Nihilus, which was destroyed already.
We've been through this before Sexy, now what's worse, doing what I do, which is using old arguments to save time from having to come up with a brand new one, or what you do, which is copying other people's arguments (such as Advent's or Gideon's) and still not expressing them very clearly? I'll answer for you: what you do is worse, so why bring this up every debate?
Exar Kun's force abilities and sith knowledge exceeds that of Nihilus.
Unsupported. Really, given your attitude at thinking you're on par with people such as AC, Advent and Gideon, you should at least learn to debate like them; they usually post nice long arguments that make sense and are backed up, all you do is state your opinion as fact, and it gets tireless debating with someone like that. You're arguments constantly bore me.
Not to mention he's got his amulet blast which would wtfpwn Nihilus.
Again, unsupported. Maybe, just maybe, given how strong Nihilus is, he'll be able to defend against them. His TK abilities, as I have already pointed out, were petty insane; I really wouldn't be surprised if he could just push the blasts back at Kun with the force.
If this gets down to a saber fight, Kun wins this with relative ease..
1. No proof whatsoever...
2. It likely won't get to a saber fight, when you have somebody as powerful with the force as Nihilus is.
Originally posted by allfg
We've been through this before Sexy, now what's worse, doing what I do, which is using old arguments to save time from having to come up with a brand new one, or what you do, which is copying other people's arguments (such as Advent's or Gideon's) and still not expressing them very clearly? I'll answer for you: what you do is worse, so why bring this up every debate?
Unsupported. Really, given your attitude at thinking you're on par with people such as AC, Advent and Gideon, you should at least learn to debate like them; they usually post nice long arguments that make sense and are backed up, all you do is state your opinion as fact, and it gets tireless debating with someone like that. You're arguments constantly bore me.
Again, unsupported. Maybe, just maybe, given how strong Nihilus is, he'll be able to defend against them. His TK abilities, as I have already pointed out, were petty insane; I really wouldn't be surprised if he could just push the blasts back at Kun with the force.
2. It likely won't get to a saber fight, when you have somebody as powerful with the force as Nihilus is. [/B]
Actually I don't copy either of their arguments and they could attest to that, you just like making up bullshit when your shit gets defeated quickly.
Lol, of course you don't. You don't copy arguments. 🙄
Considering while I'm not better than either Advent or Gideon, I certainly am in the same league, and they could attest to that as well.
😆 😆
As the worst debater on this forum, you don't really have the authority, nor the credibility to tell me where I stand.. I'm glad my arguments constantly bore you, so do your daily defeats.
Yes I can. You're actually someone I can honestly say that I'll always beat in a debate, I can't actually imagine you defeating a beyond Kadesh level debater, you're that bad. I wouldn't usually bother with you, but you see to feel obligated to challenge every single one of my posts, and I'm sure you can understand how that could be a tad bit fricking annoying.
Aren't you the idiot who said Nihilus is the most powerful star wars character?
Based on his pure power, and the advantages he has against other force users, he is the most powerful, except maybe Sion.
I love how you constantly argue against logic, and then wonder why you have no debating skills whatsoever. And your bullshit about Nihilus blocking energy makes me laugh and wonder why you come back here for embarassment. I wouldn't even call that an unsupported assumption, as much as a dumb claim by a fool.
ZOMG, it's ENERGY, ergo it Can't Be Blocked! 😱
You're right, there would be nothing left of Nihilus after Kun blasts him with all that energy.
Sure thing buddy!
Originally posted by allfg
Lol, of course you don't. You don't copy arguments. 🙄😆 😆
Yes I can. You're actually someone I can honestly say that I'll always beat in a debate, I can't actually imagine you defeating a beyond Kadesh level debater, you're that bad. I wouldn't usually bother with you, but you see to feel obligated to challenge every single one of my posts, and I'm sure you can understand how that could be a tad bit fricking annoying.
Based on his pure power, and the advantages he has against other force users, he is the most powerful, except maybe Sion.
ZOMG, it's ENERGY, ergo it Can't Be Blocked! 😱
Sure thing buddy! [/B]
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Stop copying and pasting your description on Nihilus, which was destroyed already. Exar Kun's force abilities and sith knowledge exceeds that of Nihilus. Not to mention he's got his amulet blast which would wtfpwn Nihilus. If this gets down to a saber fight, Kun wins this with relative ease..
You are so right.
Originally posted by allfg
OK, I'm done debating with you, the fact that I made a nice long and supported argument for Darth Nihilus winning while you have done no such thing for Kun says everything.
Oh right, in your word you typing constitutes as a nice and long argument, just like your Darth Bane novel. Oh wait.. Tool
Originally posted by allfg
Refute it, make a greater argument for Kun, or be quiet.
I did. Kun's raw force abilities and sith knowledge exceed that of Nihilus'. His dueling abilities also exceed Nihilus' dueling skills, and unless Nihilus ca quickly use his force drain(seeing as how Kun is uber powerful and studied ancient sith secrets, thereby more than likely knowing a version of force drain), there's no chance of him winning. There we go, that little paragraph should shut you up. Then again you don't seem to know when to shut up.
I did. Kun's raw force abilities and sith knowledge exceed that of Nihilus'.
This is exactly what I'm talking about...
You need to back up your sh1t, or stfu.
His dueling abilities also exceed Nihilus' dueling skills
Again, unsupported. This is getting a bit too easy dude.
and unless Nihilus ca quickly use his force drain(seeing as how Kun is uber powerful and studied ancient sith secrets, thereby more than likely knowing a version of force drain), there's no chance of him winning.
Read my post again, there's much more to Darth Nihilus than that one ability.
There we go, that little paragraph should shut you up. Then again you don't seem to know when to shut up.
Are you actually being serious? I usually have to work harder when replying to fricking Kadesh, at least he keeps me busy for longer than half a minute.
Originally posted by allfg
This is exactly what I'm talking about...
You need to back up your sh1t, or stfu.
Again, unsupported. This is getting a bit too easy dude.
Read my post again, there's much more to Darth Nihilus than that one ability.
Are you actually being serious? I usually have to work harder when replying to fricking Kadesh, at least he keeps me busy for longer than half a minute. [/B]
This could go either way, if Kun uses his amulet blast right away he could get Nihilus, otherwise Nihilus could just drain him instantly. I don't believe Kun has a defense for that. And Kun's not the type of guy to use the amulet blasts in a one on one fight, it seems, unless he has to. So he draws his saber only to get Force Drained. I go w/ Nihilus.
Do we even know if nihilus drain is instant? I know that a while back i used to claim it is but now i think its proper and formal to back it up. So is it instant?
And if its why would nihilus use it during battle, as far as i am concerned he only uses it when he needs to when he hungers for the force
Originally posted by Kadesh
Do we even know if nihilus drain is instant? I know that a while back i used to claim it is but now i think its proper and formal to back it up. So is it instant?And if its why would nihilus use it during battle, as far as i am concerned he only uses it when he needs to when he hungers for the force
he would ue it in battle because he's ALWAYS hungry for the force.
i say if nihilis's force drain is instant he wins, and thats against anybody, even if it were all of the force users ever. if it's instant they all get eatin.
but if it isnt then ya exar woud beat him.