Just asking now, how did Nihilus get wounded by draining the Exile. (More than just, "she's a wound in the force" plx). I haven't played KOTOR 2 in years...
Bcos while The Exile has some presence in the force, she also has a lack of presence, and basically, draining a lack of the force seemed to severely weaken Nihilus, as he usually uses his force drain to drain the force out of someone and have it power him up, yet the opposite happened...
Didn't Visas stun Nihilus if you asked her to, which is a cut scene in game (dialoug to).
No. Definitely not. Even if she did, the cut scene is dependant on the PC's choice (as you just pointed out) which means it isn't canon until confirmed elsewhere.
Originally posted by Gideon
As I've argued before, there is no indication that the Emperor [B]wanted to drain Byss completely and in one fell swoop, since he used it to house his dark side experiments as well as replenish his life force due to the toll the dark side was taking on his body. To drain the entire thing would be completely counterproductive to his goals, wouldn't you agree? [/B]
I agree. It still begs proof whether he can do the technique instantaneously.
I'll try and put it like this: you proved that if he could he wouldn't want to, but not that he could.
Originally posted by allfgIdiot, read totj, the amulet burned a hole through the sith wyrm and the pictures clearly show us that the blast dissintigrate the masassi to ashes, sorry liar buut you failed again
Where's it said that the amulet blasts disintegrated anything? And even then, while you're right about disintegration alone being more powerful than simply breaking something, when you consider that Kun's attack only made small holes in the temple wall, whereas Bane's collapsed the entire fricking temple, and thus had a much larger effect when taking volume into respect, Bane's attack is indeed much more powerful.
Originally posted by allfgidiot, kreia stated nihilus to be just like the exile and if nihilus is immune to force powers which would mean he is cut of the force completely, that would also mean he cannot use force powers. By your dumb logic nihilus > full potential anakin because "ZOMG! he is immune to powers!!!!!!!!!!"
The Exile wasn't a complete wound, as he had been slowly regaining a presence in the force since the start of KotOR 2, and that's why he was able to be affected by force attacks. Nihilus however, was a complete wound in the force, has no force presence, and is immune to force attacks.
Originally posted by allfgplease, lifting the ravager from the gravity wells prove nihilus > everybody else, palpatine lifted a SSD which is 20 times larger than the ravager. And if TK can counter amulet blasts then i guess it can counter Lightning and emerald lightning, first off you are a liar, 2nd you attempt to refute and defy canon 3rd you fail as usual. now sit down and stfuOk, I'm not going to pretend I can 100% undeniably prove that Nihilus can defend against them, because I can't, nobody can otherwise, and the majority of crap on this forum hasn't exactly been 100% proven anyways. However, when considering that Nihilus' TK abilities have been shown to be far more powerful than the destructive capabilities of Exar's amulet blasts, and logic points to him being overall stronger in the force, I'd say the most likely route to take is that Nihilus would simply be able to push the blasts back at Exar. I'd also say that it's very likely that he could simply just conjure up a force shield and defend against it through those means. There's also the fact that the amulet blasts are inherently force based, and Nihilus is immune to force powers, so it's likely they would just arch away from nihilus like force lightning does the Vong.
Originally posted by allfg
Nihilus takes this, he's too damn powerful.1. He was able to drain an entire force sensitive race, as well as hundreds of jedi, all at once. His drain is also different in nature to a regular drain, in that it causes havoc on infrastructure and pretty much drains the force out of everything, and the life out of everyone that gets in its way. He's also shown that he has the ability to do it at will, and near instantaneous as well. His drain was so strong that Traya described his use of it as something to which there is no defence.
2. With the force, he threw Traya around like a rag dole..
The same Traya who instantly force owned three powerful jedi masters, and who was able to see 4 thousand years into the future.3. He escaped a physical death by transferring his consciousness into his armour when his physical body died. The fact that he knew such obscure techniques as this one makes it clear that his knowledge base must have been very large, and very great.
4. With the force, he tore his entire fleet, including his starship, The Ravager, out from the mass shadows of Malachor. That kind of TK is insane.
5. His drain was so damn powerful that it was always under constant effect, and would dominate the minds of virtually everyone around him, including even some force sensitives to a degree.
5. While on his ship, he would constantly hold his entire ship together through telekinesis. This kind of continuous use of the force would be extremely draining on his strength, yet even in this state, he was able to instantly stun The Exile, Visas Marr and the Mandalore at once. And even after subsequently being weakened by draining The Exile - a wound in the force, he was able to put up a good fight against all three of them, and almost defeat them, given that Visas still felt that even in that weakened state, he was still too powerful to defeat. In other words, while continuously using most of his energy, and after having been heavily weakened, he still kicked major ass.
He also possesses two major advantages against force users:
1. He's a wound in the force, which means that he gains the same advantage against other force users that the Yuuzhan Vong do. Exar won't be able to sense him through the force, he won't be able to read his thoughts/feelings, and he won't be able to directly affect him with the force. Technically, Darth Nihilus could just use a force camouflage, and Exar wouldn't be able to visibly see him, or sense where he is with the force. In other words, he would be screwed.
2. His consciousness lies within his armour, which means that the only way he can be killed is through the destruction of his armour.
Most of what he said is actually right.
Exar Kun is realistically no where near as powerful as Nihlus.
Nihlus wins this.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
I'm thinking (as a theory, so don't go on with pointless bashing) that Nihilus' powers, when used on a grand scale were either ritualistic or aided by the use of some artifact (maybe even his ship).It doesn't make sense to me that Nihilus could drain a whole planet, but, when he goes to kill an unsuspecting Kreia, she lives through it. Even his attack in the cut content against Sion is a "Meh" as far as big dog force powers go.
I'm not so sure that draining a planet will help all that much in a vs. match.
No, thats one big difference with Kun's power and Nihlus's.
You notice plainly that Nihlus doesn't require or have artifacts or amulets to unleash his destruction.
Kun requires these things for him.
Originally posted by kamikz
Just remembered the Luke part.Just asking now, how did Nihilus get wounded by draining the Exile. (More than just, "she's a wound in the force" plx). I haven't played KOTOR 2 in years...
Didn't Visas stun Nihilus if you asked her to, which is a cut scene in game (dialoug to).
When Nihlus tried to absorb the Exile's power, he depleted most of his Force energy in the attempt and ended up exhausting himself to an extreme degree.
After that the Exile was able to fight him on a leveled playing field, so to speak.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
No, thats one big difference with Kun's power and Nihlus's.You notice plainly that Nihlus doesn't require or have artifacts or amulets to unleash his destruction.
Kun requires these things for him.
What a shitty argument. Nobody says Kun requires his amulet but the amulet does amplify his force abilities. That doesn't put him below anybody.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Didn't Kun require it to destroy the Cron Cluster?
You are claiming that Kun requires the amulet to do his shit. That's already a piss poor argument considering Kun didn't "require" the amulet, and he only used it when he needed to wtfpwn something. And he used the sith technology on Naga Sadow's ship to rip the core from the sun and cause a chain reaction.