All Darth Nihilus needs to do is to unleash his Drain attack and he will win.
And Kun has a chance if he has his amulets with him and can manage to use them quickly on Nihilus.
Still it seems that Nihilus probably has the upper-hand because he can unleash his Drain attack quickly. as evident from the video in the link below.
Here is a video of Nihilus in a one-on-one fight: http://buscatube.com/?q=Gizka
EDIT:
@ xatl
It is Exar and not Exae.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenDThe patch will be restored by non lucasarts officials and thus are not canon. Heck after killing nihilus the ravager spirals and crashes into citadel station as what i saw on wookiepedia while in the game officially and canonically, the ravager blows into dust
Wasn't some content was cut from KOTOR II due to shortage of time?And who said that cut-content is not canon? A huge patch is already under development which will restore the cut-content of this game.
LeGenD, first, let it be known to the public that you can't debate. Secondly, Darth Sexy and Kadesh are both properly correct. Content that is cut from anything - unless supported by The Holocron or George Lucas - is automatically rendered non-canon. Meaning that that lovely video doesn't apply at all, nor do the powers detailed. I would like to conclude, again, with my favorite fact involving you: you can't debate.
As far as this fight is concerned, I can see both sides winning. Kun doesn't have a defense against Nihilus's drain, but then again, Kun can put a bolt right through Nihilus and drop his ass. So, Kun will likely lose his Force powers, but I see him potentially killing him via destroying his armor and his amulet blasts are EASILY within capability to do so.
So, meh. Dunno.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Stop copying and pasting your description on Nihilus, which was destroyed already. Exar Kun's force abilities and sith knowledge exceeds that of Nihilus. Not to mention he's got his amulet blast which would wtfpwn Nihilus. If this gets down to a saber fight, Kun wins this with relative ease..
Originally posted by Kadesh
The patch will be restored by non lucasarts officials and thus are not canon. Heck after killing nihilus the ravager spirals and crashes into citadel station as what i saw on wookiepedia while in the game officially and canonically, the ravager blows into dust
Originally posted by Mizukage Yoda
Yeah b/c Exar Whiped out 99% of the Jedi oorder in one attack. 🙄
Oh look, another blubbering buffoon. Do me a favor and unplug your modem forever. Nihilus didn't wipe out 99% of the jedi order, Revan and his civil war did. What was left of the Jedi(numbering under 100), disbanded, turned to the darkside, abandoned being a jedi, or were on Katarr when Nihilus struck. There is NOTHING that states how many Jedi were on Katarr.. Shut up now.
As per ToTJ, Exar’s greatest feats were his being able to continuously release blasts of energy that leveled a Sith Wyrm’s head and his ability to control the senate. These blasts of energy are nonetheless blockable, as evidenced by Kas’im who managed to shield himself from an energy blast from Bane greater in magnitude than those used by Kun. Seeing how Nihilus is leaps and bounds above Kas’im in his overall force ability, I can easily see him using a force shield to defend against the amulet blasts, and retaliate with his own techniques.
I can see a rebuttal stating that Kun was able to bring down Luke. That was, however, combined with Kyp’s own significant force ability, at one point described even greater than Luke’s. The circumstances are completely different, and he isn’t going to have the advantage of combing his strength (reduced as it was) with someone who was believed to be (but not really) stronger than Luke himself.
Nihilus’ force abilities are titanic, more so than Kun’s. He was able to drain an entire planet containing the majority of Jedi masters and knights remaining, all at once. Before anyone interjects and states that the said Jedi were surprised, it is unlikely given in TOTJ “many Jedi” were capable of noticing Exar’s force signature from “far away.”
Seeing that these Jedi could sense Exar from such a distance, it’s a sound assumption that the Jedi on Kataar would have sensed Nihilus as well (what with his massive signature) but failed miserably when defending against him. Other than that, he was able to lift a starship, have it reach escape velocity (which is ridiculous speeds), and fly it lightyears. The fact that he could do this simultaneously with draining planets is a testament to his force abilities.
Morevoer, let’s add to the fact that Traya, who has an exceptional knowledge base with regards to the force drain technique, makes her a liable source when she stated that it was “impossible to defend against.” Keep in mind that Traya is more powerful than Kas’im, she could defend against Bane’s force attack. Seeing as how she puts Nihilus’ drain a league and a half above these “blasts of energy,” I would state that in a force battle Nihilus would win.
In a lightsaber duel, I would give it to Kun simply because we haven’t seen enough of Nihilus to determine whether or not he could take him.
In an overall battle, I’d give the victory to Nihilus.
Originally posted by zephiel7
As per ToTJ, Exar’s greatest feats were his being able to continuously release blasts of energy that leveled a Sith Wyrm’s head and his ability to control the senate. These blasts of energy are nonetheless blockable, as evidenced by Kas’im who managed to shield himself from an energy blast from Bane greater in magnitude than those used by Kun. Seeing how Nihilus is leaps and bounds above Kas’im in his overall force ability, I can easily see him using a force shield to defend against the amulet blasts, and retaliate with his own techniques.
I can see a rebuttal stating that Kun was able to bring down Luke. That was, however, combined with Kyp’s own significant force ability, at one point described even greater than Luke’s. The circumstances are completely different, and he isn’t going to have the advantage of combing his strength (reduced as it was) with someone who was believed to be (but not really) stronger than Luke himself.
Nihilus’ force abilities are titanic, more so than Kun’s. He was able to drain an entire planet containing the majority of Jedi masters and knights remaining, all at once. Before anyone interjects and states that the said Jedi were surprised, it is unlikely given in TOTJ “many Jedi” were capable of noticing Exar’s force signature from “far away.”
Seeing that these Jedi could sense Exar from such a distance, it’s a sound assumption that the Jedi on Kataar would have sensed Nihilus as well (what with his massive signature) but failed miserably when defending against him. Other than that, he was able to lift a starship, have it reach escape velocity (which is ridiculous speeds), and fly it lightyears. The fact that he could do this simultaneously with draining planets is a testament to his force abilities.
Morevoer, let’s add to the fact that Traya, who has an exceptional knowledge base with regards to the force drain technique, makes her a liable source when she stated that it was “impossible to defend against.” Keep in mind that Traya is more powerful than Kas’im, she could defend against Bane’s force attack. Seeing as how she puts Nihilus’ drain a league and a half above these “blasts of energy,” I would state that in a force battle Nihilus would win.
In a lightsaber duel, I would give it to Kun simply because we haven’t seen enough of Nihilus to determine whether or not he could take him.
Two things noticeably wrong with your post:
1) What Bane and Exar Kun did are not the same thing, Bane's force attack was never described as a beam of energy but it was literally called: "a wave of force energy." and a "shock wave." this can logically be seen as an powered up version of the force power in KOTOR (which coincidentally the writer of PoD in fact wrote.) the force wave as concussive blasts that sends foes flying back.
Moreover this attack was also described as a concussive blast, implying its the same as the KOTOR attack. And not a beam of dark side energy like what Kun did, fianlly we've never seen this attack replicated without an amulet attached to the users are. Therefore your point about it being able to be blocked relatively easy by Nihlius is wrong.
2) Nihlius's force signature is not detectable because of his status as wound in the force, this was stated as to why the Jedi couldn't effectively mount any sort of counter attack against the Sith because just as fast as they appeared they disappeared, Atris talks about how they are cowards and how she had to leak information of a surviving Jedi just to draw the Sith out. Obviously this wouldn't be necessary if they could simply detect him.
Visas states that only she can find her master and she will not bring the Exile before him until she deems her ready for the confrontation, Obviously this wouldn't be necessary if the Exile, Kreia, or any of the other Jedi aboard the Ebon Hawk could simply pin point his location.
Thus the few Jedi on Katarr would have had no clue that Nihlius had arrived until it was too late.
Anther point I belive is that you can't just sense people unless they particularly "want" to be found or are in times of extreme duress and can't control there emotions ie: when a very powerful force users takes a dark side shit or taps into the living force. If this was the case then Malak should have recognized Revans massive signature in the force the moment he started training on Dantooine, or in particular the Jedi should be able to sense any Sith or dark side user to ever come about and vice versa. But as we've seen that doesn't happen.
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1)What Bane and Exar Kun did are not the same thing, Bane's force attack was never described as a beam of energy but it was literally called: "a wave of force energy." and a "shock wave." this can logically be seen as an powered up version of the force power in KOTOR (which coincidentally the writer of PoD in fact wrote.) the force wave as concussive blasts that sends foes flying back.
Whether or not they are exactly similar, is not what I am concerned with, per se. The effect of Bane's "wave of force energy" was IMO greater, as it had a far larger area of effect, and the results were more catastrophic. It was stated to be able to change Kas’im body into a “mass of pulpy liquid,” which is undoubtedly similar to what Exar was capable of doing.
Just a thing to add, whether or not they were different, it is still evident that they could both be blocked, since the general pattern in Star Wars is that offensive techniques can be blocked. To presume otherwise without it being explicitly stated would be making an assumption which is inconsistent with the whole of Star Wars mythos with regards to force attacks and defenses.
Moreover this attack was also described as a concussive blast, implying its the same as the KOTOR attack.
Insomuch as the blast was capable of reducing someone to a “mass of pulpy liquid,” I hardly think that it is similar to a regular force wave. A regular wave pushes things back; it doesn’t have the effect of “crushing from all angles,” like Bane’s “wave of force energy.”
blocked relatively easy by Nihlius is wrong.
To be fair, the attack was more devastating than Kun’s. Whereas Kun was able to destroy parts of the temple with several blasts, Bane was able to demolish the pride of the Rakatans with one blast. Also noting how Kas’im was able to block something that large makes me confident that Nihilus can also block Kun.
2) Nihlius's force signature is not detectable because of his status as wound in the force, this was stated as to why the Jedi couldn't effectively mount any sort of counter attack against the Sith because just as fast as they appeared they disappeared, Atris talks about how they are cowards and how she had to leak information of a surviving Jedi just to draw the Sith out. Obviously this wouldn't be necessary if they could simply detect him.
You're right, I forgot that part. 🙂
Regardless, that he cannot be sensed in the force or exists independently of it seems to give him an even greater advantage. His nature renders all of Exar’s “precognitive” abilities useless, as Nihilus cannot be sensed. Moreover, being an area where no force exists is devastating to Kun. How do you assume that any of Kun’s techniques will work against Nihilus, seeing the effects when the Jedi could not “see” the Vong through the force?
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And Kyp's force potential was never described as greater than Luke's so stop with the bullshit. Luke at one point THOUGHT that Kyp had a potential greater than his own but that was it.
I suggest you reread my post.
“with someone who was believed to be (but not really) stronger than Luke himself.”
I never said that Kyp has more force potential. I stated that he was believed by Luke to have a greater potential in the force. The fact that it was close to that of Luke’s means that it is undeniably great. Combined with Kun’s force energy and I can see how Luke would have easily been taken down.
What force abilities, his force drain that was derived from the ancient sith? The same ability Palpatine, as a spirit possessed?
Palpatine draining Byss was clearly not what Nihilus did to Kataar. With Nihilus the effects were seen as instantaneous, while Palpatine’s drain was taking a while. Ergo, I would like you to prove that whatever conventional drains were known by Kun would be identical to the unique one possessed by Nihilus, which was instaneous and far more devastating. Especially given such a variant of the drain was available only in Malachor, I would be hard pressed to believe that Kun had any knowledge of the said technique.
Not to mention you have no idea how many Jedi were on Katarr, seeing as how from the less than 100 jedi remained, a lot disappeared, while others abandoned the order.
There is proof that the majority of what remained was in Kataar. That certainly is no miniscule amount, as in KOTOR there were enough Jedi to send on missions (protecting the transport ship carrying Bastila,) fighting Malak's troops on the Star Forge, the academies on Dantooine that were evacuated, the academies on Coruscant etc., Seeing how Nihilus could sense them through the force, indicates there signature must obviously have been large enough.
I'm thinking (as a theory, so don't go on with pointless bashing) that Nihilus' powers, when used on a grand scale were either ritualistic or aided by the use of some artifact (maybe even his ship).
It doesn't make sense to me that Nihilus could drain a whole planet, but, when he goes to kill an unsuspecting Kreia, she lives through it. Even his attack in the cut content against Sion is a "Meh" as far as big dog force powers go.
I'm not so sure that draining a planet will help all that much in a vs. match.
Originally posted by jollyjim311
I'm thinking (as a theory, so don't go on with pointless bashing) that Nihilus' powers, when used on a grand scale were either ritualistic or aided by the use of some artifact (maybe even his ship).It doesn't make sense to me that Nihilus could drain a whole planet, but, when he goes to kill an unsuspecting Kreia, she lives through it. Even his attack in the cut content against Sion is a "Meh" as far as big dog force powers go.
I'm not so sure that draining a planet will help all that much in a vs. match.
Jim, I heavily doubt that it was ritualistic. The effect in "unseen unheard" was described as being instantaneous. Nihilus's ship is in orbit and moments later a cloud encompassed the entire planet. Moreover narration and his use of the attack indicated that it was instantaneous as well. The idea that his ship helped him is very unlikely, as it was a piece of junk he lifted from Malachor. Other than that, nothing was stated that would go contrary to the idea that he did it himself, so I don't think so.
As for killing Traya there could be many reasons. They could have believed that leaving her alive and stripped of the force would be an even greater punishment.
If they wanted to kill her, there could have been any number of ways even if Nihilus could not use the drain as much as he wanted to.
ACWhether or not they are exactly similar, is not what I am concerned with, per se. The effect of Bane's "wave of force energy" was IMO greater, as it had a far larger area of effect, and the results were more catastrophic. It was stated to be able to change Kas’im body into a “mass of pulpy liquid,” which is undoubtedly similar to what Exar was capable of doing.
Just a thing to add, whether or not they were different, it is still evident that they could both be blocked, since the general pattern in Star Wars is that offensive techniques can be blocked. To presume otherwise without it being explicitly stated would be making an assumption which is inconsistent with the whole of Star Wars mythos with regards to force attacks and defenses.
Insomuch as the blast was capable of reducing someone to a “mass of pulpy liquid,” I hardly think that is similar to a regular force wave. A regular wave pushes things back; it doesn’t have the effect of “crushing,” from all angles, like Bane’s “blast of energy.”
You misunderstand, I'm not arguing pro Kun, I really don't care much about the actual vs match up, I was just correcting you on when you basically said "They're the same."
I never said it was the same as a regular force wave infact I even used the phrase "powered up" to describe it considering Bane dumped all his remaining force energy into the attack the affects of such an attack would be much greater and more devastating then a "regular" force wave.
Regardless, that he cannot be sensed in the force or exists independently of it seems to give him an even greater advantage. His nature renders all of Exar’s “precognitive” abilities useless, as Nihilus cannot be sensed. Moreover, being an area where no force exists is devastating to Kun. How do you assume that any of Kun’s techniques will work against Nihilus, seeing the effects when the Jedi could not “see” the Vong through the force?
Dunno, dont care.
There is proof that the majority of what remained was in Kataar. That certainly is no miniscule amount, as in KOTOR there were enough Jedi to send on missions (protecting the transport ship carrying Bastila,) fighting Malak's troops on the Star Forge, the academies on Dantooine that were evacuated, the academies on Coruscant etc., Seeing how Nihilus could sense them through the force, indicates there signature must obviously have been large enough.
They were on the Miraluka home-world...a force sensitive species...see where the "large force signature" would come from...
I never said it was the same as a regular force wave infact I even used the phrase "powered up" to describe it considering Bane dumped all his remaining force energy into the attack the affects of such an attack would be much greater and more devastating then a "regular" force wave.
Point acknowledged then.
They were on the Miraluka home-world...a force sensitive species...see where the "large force signature" would come from... [/B]
Granted. For the record, how many Jedi would you imagine were present?
Granted. For the record, how many Jedi would you imagine were present?
Not alot considering the whole thing was a trap set by Atris to lure out the Sith from hiding. Also considering 4 prominent Jedi council members and Bastila didn't go and or had no knowledge and of the arranged meting till after Nihlius destroys the planet it was probably a small collection of Masters that Atris kept in contact with.