Originally posted by Larcenyyour logic = faulty the only feat that matters shows tyrant is more powerful you want to try and convince someone differently take it to another forum because nobody here is buying it
😆More impressive feats = More powerful character.
Less impressive feats = Less powerful character.
Odin = more impressive feats
Tyrant = Less impressive feats
Odin > Tyrant
Originally posted by lando005
your logic = faulty the only feat that matters shows tyrant is more powerful you want to try and convince someone differently take it to another forum because nobody here is buying it
You don't have to buy it, you've likely never read a comic with Odin in it so why would it matter to me.
And sorry son, but your logic = faulty. For example Thor and Surfer have both fought the Hulk, yet Thor genrally has a tough time while Surfer easily defeats him. However in direct mat ups Thor usually tends to have the uper hand.
Anyways as said, Odin wins.
Originally posted by Larceny
Isn't the fight that Galaxies were destroyed as a side effect of battle. Also, you don't know what a dead galaxy is. Now we all have our theories .
And neither do you, but one thing is sure there is a difference between a "living Galaxy" and a death Galaxy els the matter wouldn't be brought up by the Narrator.
It's something Tyrant hasn't done. You keep using other peoples interpretation of the battles as if their opinions are the equivalent to Marvel themselves. Doesn't exactly work that way.[/B]
And we know that how, If Seth and Odin can destroy death Galaxies and tear at the fabric of the multiverse then Tyrant and Galactus in there battle which destroyed Galaxies should be tearing at the fabric too, a shame we doesn't have strange to confirm it. And you right it doesn't but instead of going over it all again I just found it quicker to say that the matter had already been dealt with in another Thread, I will be happy to bring it up, and the result will be the same.
I never said it was a multiversal battle, only that the battle was indeed tearing the fabric of the multiverse. Again, something Tyrant hasn't shown capable of duplicating.[/B]
See above.
BTW, Strange never limited the destruction of the battle Galaxies. "A cosmic calamity which could imperil untold galaxies". Very different from "it will only effect galaxies". [/B]
Keyworld (as you like to put it) Could, he never said that realities was affected. Only death Galaxies as the narrator states later.
And I'm not going to. The scans are in the respect thread and I don't feel the need to dig through there and find them.[/B]
found it, but it would be nice to actually see the scans instead of getting the message that the scans isn't working.
You know this how? They destroyed a Galaxy or a couple I think? They destroyed an undefined number of planets and reignited an undefined number of suns across the universe. You can say Tyrant and Galactus destroyed more how?[/B]
You only know that they destroyed death Galaxies and ignited death suns, in the battle with Galactus vs Tyrant we know that entire living galaxies was shattered. We doesn't get a number but IMO Living Galaxies destroyed > Death Galaxies Destroyed.
You don't even know if the comic was retconned, which issue it was retconned in, and what part of the comic was retconned. The recreation of all that was destroyed, and easy defeat of Infinity was done by Odin. [/B]
Thor #184-188 a part of infinity, is given to Odin ore taken by him from Infinity (the aspect) Hela later steals the part and corrupt it, and Odin evil side begins drawing from Infinity's power, Odin does so to in order to stop his Evil side.
If you want the entire explanation go and tjeck out Immortalthor.net I believe it has a full explanation but I you can just as well find it yourself his characters stats and histories is based on the handbooks so...
Also it is mention in Odins respect thread that it was retconned.
Originally posted by Utrigita
And neither do you, but one thing is sure there is a difference between a "living Galaxy" and a death Galaxy els the matter wouldn't be brought up by the Narrator.And we know that how, If Seth and Odin can destroy death Galaxies and tear at the fabric of the multiverse then Tyrant and Galactus in there battle which destroyed Galaxies should be tearing at the fabric too, a shame we doesn't have strange to confirm it. And you right it doesn't but instead of going over it all again I just found it quicker to say that the matter had already been dealt with in another Thread, I will be happy to bring it up, and the result will be the same.
See above.
Keyworld (as you like to put it) Could, he never said that realities was affected. Only death Galaxies as the narrator states later.
found it, but it would be nice to actually see the scans instead of getting the message that the scans isn't working.
You only know that they destroyed death Galaxies and ignited death suns, in the battle with Galactus vs Tyrant we know that entire living galaxies was shattered. We doesn't get a number but IMO Living Galaxies destroyed > Death Galaxies Destroyed.
Thor #184-188 a part of infinity, is given to Odin ore taken by him from Infinity (the aspect) Hela later steals the part and corrupt it, and Odin evil side begins drawing from Infinity's power, Odin does so to in order to stop his Evil side.
If you want the entire explanation go and tjeck out Immortalthor.net I believe it has a full explanation but I you can just as well find it yourself his characters stats and histories is based on the handbooks so...
Also it is mention in Odins respect thread that it was retconned.
Your right, I don't. However unlike a few, I refrain from making assumptions to benefit my argument.
What he hell kind of logic is that? Since Odin and Seth did it in a battle, Galactus and Tyrant should've ben able to do although it was never mentioned in the comic?
That may be because it wasn't happening. You know, maybe if they were actually tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse then it would have been mentioned, however they weren't, so it wasn't.
Other posters interpretations of the battle DO NOT EQUAL LAW.
Alternate galaxies are alternate realities. You know like how Asgard is an entirely different reality than Midgard..... Not hat it matters as I never mentioned anything about realities, but "untold galaxies".
Um two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed my friend. The first set of Galaxies were confirmed by Strange a few pages earlier than the dead Galaxies that were confirmed destroyed by Stan Lee.
Sorry.
Two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed. The first set confirmed by Strange that weren't defined as dead and he second a few pages earlier that were "long dead Galaxies".
Tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse, untold galaxies destroyed, reignition of suns, and a fight waged on every plain of existence > a fight that destroyed a galaxy or two.
As I thought, you didn't read it. Odin was in odin sleep, and while sleep Hela began plotting. She extracted an evil aspect of Odin's mind known as Infinity that began consuming the universe. If I recall correctly, galaxies were consumed, lives were lost, etc. Odin awoke and easily defeated Infinity. Odin then restored all that was lost during his sleep. The galaxies, lives, etc. All brought back. Odin was never taping into Infinity, Infinity was. If you read the comic it would help. 🙂
Take note. A being that "gathered planets into his monstrous maw, as a pond doth gather rain", "seizing worlds as if they were toys", "to whom a planet meant little more than a pebble", was easily defeated within a single page by Odin, and all that was destroyed remade.
Originally posted by Larceny
Your right, I don't. However unlike a few, I refrain from making assumptions to benefit my argument.What he hell kind of logic is that? Since Odin and Seth did it in a battle, Galactus and Tyrant should've ben able to do although it was never mentioned in the comic?
That may be because it wasn't happening. You know, maybe if they were actually tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse then it would have been mentioned, however they weren't, so it wasn't.
Other posters interpretations of the battle DO NOT EQUAL LAW.
Alternate galaxies are alternate realities. You know like how Asgard is an entirely different reality than Midgard..... Not hat it matters as I never mentioned anything about realities, but "untold galaxies".
Um two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed my friend. The first set of Galaxies were confirmed by Strange a few pages earlier than the dead Galaxies that were confirmed destroyed by Stan Lee.
Sorry.
Two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed. The first set confirmed by Strange that weren't defined as dead and he second a few pages earlier that were "long dead Galaxies".
Tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse, untold galaxies destroyed, reignition of suns, and a fight waged on every plain of existence > a fight that destroyed a galaxy or two.
As I thought, you didn't read it. Odin was in odin sleep, and while sleep Hela began plotting. She extracted an evil aspect of Odin's mind known as Infinity that began consuming the universe. If I recall correctly, galaxies were consumed, lives were lost, etc. Odin awoke and easily defeated Infinity. Odin then restored all that was lost during his sleep. The galaxies, lives, etc. All brought back. Odin was never taping into Infinity, Infinity was. If you read the comic it would help. 🙂
Take note. A being that "gathered planets into his monstrous maw, as a pond doth gather rain", "seizing worlds as if they were toys", "to whom a planet meant little more than a pebble", was easily defeated within a single page by Odin, and all that was destroyed remade.
Just to add some stuff. Infinity's hands spawned an entire galaxy. It was said that if Odin hadn't been awoken and defeated Infinity the Universe would've been consumed. The most impressive thing about the entire fight was that Odin restored all that was destroyed. All the lives, planets, and galaxies were remade by Odin. Also, before anyone starts screaming PIS, the comic was written by the characters creator(Galactus creator as well) Stan Lee. Funny actually, because he wrote the Seth Infinity fight as well were it was said that Seth was a threat to the universe.
One more thing I just looked back and found out.
It was never confirmed that the Tyrant/Galactus caused the destruction of galaxies. It was believed that because of the scope of the battle and hostility between the characters involved that galaxies "must" have been destroyed. "Must" being a unsure nature. Galaxies being destroyed in their fight has been complete assumptions.
Originally posted by Larcenyyour views are skewed, and how would you know what i've read or not? have you ever read a comic with odin in it? You dont know what i've done so don't try to act like you know me. As for your example it's called jobbing happens all the time pal. You have yet to present a reason why odin would win other than going on and on about his feats because he has the screen time to do them. If tyrant would have had the same amount of screen time as odin and a need to do those things dont you think he would have done them as well? and dont say something stupid like how do you know that's true because you know just as everyone else that he has tremendous cosmic power it's not really necessary to preform different applications of power when he's been seen smacking around a list of cosmic a listers like rag dolls, and yes that includes laying a more decicive smack down against an enhanced opponent that odin already faced and COULD NOT DEFEAT EASILY. Quit looking at things with a bias eye Odin is just not as powerful as you think
You don't have to buy it, you've likely never read a comic with Odin in it so why would it matter to me.And sorry son, but your logic = faulty. For example Thor and Surfer have both fought the Hulk, yet Thor genrally has a tough time while Surfer easily defeats him. However in direct mat ups Thor usually tends to have the uper hand.
Anyways as said, Odin wins.
one more time odin was only able to get the advantage over thanos after the battle went on after a little while, against tyrant thanos would have been reduced to a smear if it wasnt for that POWER UP that's the sheer truth of the matter say what you want but you know that's how it happened
Originally posted by Larceny
Your right, I don't. However unlike a few, I refrain from making assumptions to benefit my argument.
Thanks for shit. That a logic assesment that a dead thing is easier to destroy then a living. Take a tree for instance in what scenario would it be most easy to cut down with a axe???
What he hell kind of logic is that? Since Odin and Seth did it in a battle, Galactus and Tyrant should've ben able to do although it was never mentioned in the comic?[/B]
Yes they should if one destroyes dead galaxies then the one that destroyes living should as well I don't see a wrong logic there other then the fact that Odin while fighting destroys death and Tyrant destroys living Galaxies.
That may be because it wasn't happening. You know, maybe if they were actually tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse then it would have been mentioned, however they weren't, so it wasn't.[/B]
Ohh but it was mention by strange that they was just not at a very great degree. Get you facts straight.
Other posters interpretations of the battle DO NOT EQUAL LAW. [/B]
I know but apparently all posters that bring you Odin in a bad light = not worth reading.
Alternate galaxies are alternate realities. You know like how Asgard is an entirely different reality than Midgard..... Not hat it matters as I never mentioned anything about realities, but "untold galaxies".[/B]
What??? by that Logic Galactus can easily teleport Asgard as well while weak from hunger since Alternate Galaxies = Dimension.
Um two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed my friend. The first set of Galaxies were confirmed by Strange a few pages earlier than the dead Galaxies that were confirmed destroyed by Stan Lee.[/B]
The same incident, just cleared more up as the story progress. First we believe the battle will destroy entire galaxies then it gets IMO leveled down to death galaxies.
Two different instances in which Galaxies were destroyed. The first set confirmed by Strange that weren't defined as dead and he second a few pages earlier that were "long dead Galaxies".[/B]
exactly.
Tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse, untold galaxies destroyed, reignition of suns, and a fight waged on every plain of existence > a fight that destroyed a galaxy or two.[/B]
Again you have absolutely no idea of how many Galaxies that was destroyed in the battle between Galactus and Tyrant. And And neither do you know how many was destroyed between Seth and Odin.
As I thought, you didn't read it. Odin was in odin sleep, and while sleep Hela began plotting. She extracted an evil aspect of Odin's mind known as Infinity that began consuming the universe. If I recall correctly, galaxies were consumed, lives were lost, etc. Odin awoke and easily defeated Infinity. Odin then restored all that was lost during his sleep. The galaxies, lives, etc. All brought back. Odin was never taping into Infinity, Infinity was. If you read the comic it would help. 🙂[/B]
I just ran through it easily I didn't want to go as much down as you did and again it was retconned, into Infinity being a part of Infinity (the aspect)
Take note. A being that "gathered planets into his monstrous maw, as a pond doth gather rain", "seizing worlds as if they were toys", "to whom a planet meant little more than a pebble", was easily defeated within a single page by Odin, and all that was destroyed remade. [/B]
So a being that is at max a solarsystem buster (according to what you just mention) is defeated in One Panel is this supposed to be impressive.
Originally posted by Larceny
One more thing I just looked back and found out.It was never confirmed that the Tyrant/Galactus caused the destruction of galaxies. It was believed that because of the scope of the battle and hostility between the characters involved that galaxies "must" have been destroyed. "Must" being a unsure nature. Galaxies being destroyed in their fight has been complete assumptions.
In you take a narration as a word for it then it happend and it was confirmed twice, that galaxries was destoyed.
Originally posted by Larceny
Just to add some stuff. Infinity's hands spawned an entire galaxy. It was said that if Odin hadn't been awoken and defeated Infinity the Universe would've been consumed. The most impressive thing about the entire fight was that Odin restored all that was destroyed. All the lives, planets, and galaxies were remade by Odin. Also, before anyone starts screaming PIS, the comic was written by the characters creator(Galactus creator as well) Stan Lee. Funny actually, because he wrote the Seth Infinity fight as well were it was said that Seth was a threat to the universe.
So Stan Lee isn't capable of giving a Characters more Power then the person displayed in other instance???
And Funny thing is if we talk Galactus then Stan Lee made Galactus to be a unquestionable space God with power so vast that only the UN should be capable of scaring him. Stan Lee also commented in a issue that Galactus would be capable of Destroying the Universe 10 times over, while being at normal powerlevels.
Originally posted by Utrigita
Thanks for shit. That a logic assesment that a dead thing is easier to destroy then a living. Take a tree for instance in what scenario would it be most easy to cut down with a axe???Yes they should if one destroyes dead galaxies then the one that destroyes living should as well I don't see a wrong logic there other then the fact that Odin while fighting destroys death and Tyrant destroys living Galaxies.
Ohh but it was mention by strange that they was just not at a very great degree. Get you facts straight.
I know but apparently all posters that bring you Odin in a bad light = not worth reading.
What??? by that Logic Galactus can easily teleport Asgard as well while weak from hunger since Alternate Galaxies = Dimension.
The same incident, just cleared more up as the story progress. First we believe the battle will destroy entire galaxies then it gets IMO leveled down to death galaxies.
exactly.
Again you have absolutely no idea of how many Galaxies that was destroyed in the battle between Galactus and Tyrant. And And neither do you know how many was destroyed between Seth and Odin.
I just ran through it easily I didn't want to go as much down as you did and again it was retconned, into Infinity being a part of Infinity (the aspect)
So a being that is at max a solarsystem buster (according to what you just mention) is defeated in One Panel is this supposed to be impressive.
Um, but you know what a dead tree is. You don't know what a dead galaxy is. We can both make assumptions, but at the end of the dead, we don't know what a dead galaxy is.
The tearing of the muti-verse wasn't caused as a side effect of he destruction of galaxies, but a side effect of the battle, and again, the galaxies confirmed destroyed by Strange were never described as dead. Also, galaxies were assumed destroyed in the Tyrant/Galactus fight, it was never actually confirmed.
Nope, all Strange mentioned was that the battle was tearing at he fabric of the multi-verse, and that "untold galaxies"(se how you don't see dead) were imperil. Untold being many.
Oh, I read it, but I understand one's interpretation of the comic is not law. Hence is the reason I stick to the narration, and try to refrain from making my own assumptions.
As a cosmic character fan I'd assumed you knew this. One man's reality is not my own. BTW, Odin was weak in that instance.
Please stop making your own assumptions. At one instance it was confirmed that the battle was tearing at the fabric of the multi-verse, and endangering untold galaxies and in another confirmed that long dead galaxies were destroyed. Two different attacks, two different instances, two different sets of galaxies.
So you agree?
Yes I do. None were confirmed destroyed in the Galactus/Tyrant fight. However untold galaxies were destroyed in the Odin/Seth fight.
Infinity wasn't a part of Infinity, but Odin. He was supposedly taping into Infinity's power, but that that has to do with it being defeated by Odin is beyond me.
Here we go with more twisting. Where in my post did I saw that Infinity only consumed a solar system? You must not have read these comics either?
Originally posted by Utrigita
In you take a narration as a word for it then it happend and it was confirmed twice, that galaxries was destoyed.
It was never confirmed at all. Only assumed.
Also, people make a big deal about the Galactus/Tyrant fight when Galactus power level at the time was ambiguous. So Tyrant is a character that at best is only assumed to have destroyed a galaxy.
Originally posted by Utrigita
So Stan Lee isn't capable of giving a Characters more Power then the person displayed in other instance???And Funny thing is if we talk Galactus then Stan Lee made Galactus to be a unquestionable space God with power so vast that only the UN should be capable of scaring him. Stan Lee also commented in a issue that Galactus would be capable of Destroying the Universe 10 times over, while being at normal powerlevels.
Considering he created both characters, you'd think he'd know how powerful they are. 😕
Stan Lee also published in a comic that Odin's power rivaled Galactus power, but hey what the hell does he know?
Originally posted by Utrigita
We isn't getting anywhere in this Larceny you have you openion and you wouldn't back down I have mine and will not back down.We are done we are getting nowhere in this discussion.
I'm getting somewhere. I've learned just from this page that you know little about Odin and have debating the entire time depending upon forum talk. It's also becoming increasingly clear that Tyrants greatly overrated, and that they galaxies his battle with Galactus supposedly destroyed were actually never confirmed. Don't run now, I think it's your time to do some defending and debating. 🙂
Originally posted by lando005
your views are skewed, and how would you know what i've read or not? have you ever read a comic with odin in it? You dont know what i've done so don't try to act like you know me. As for your example it's called jobbing happens all the time pal. You have yet to present a reason why odin would win other than going on and on about his feats because he has the screen time to do them. If tyrant would have had the same amount of screen time as odin and a need to do those things dont you think he would have done them as well? and dont say something stupid like how do you know that's true because you know just as everyone else that he has tremendous cosmic power it's not really necessary to preform different applications of power when he's been seen smacking around a list of cosmic a listers like rag dolls, and yes that includes laying a more decicive smack down against an enhanced opponent that odin already faced and COULD NOT DEFEAT EASILY. Quit looking at things with a bias eye Odin is just not as powerful as you thinkone more time odin was only able to get the advantage over thanos after the battle went on after a little while, against tyrant thanos would have been reduced to a smear if it wasnt for that POWER UP that's the sheer truth of the matter say what you want but you know that's how it happened
No, I know you've never read a comic featuring Odin. This is based solely on your knowledge of the character btw.
Yeah, but odin didn't job. It just took him a tad bit longer to defeat Thanos then it should have, no biggie.
So superior feats aren't a viable reason for assuming one character is superior to another? 😐
Tyrant never laid a smack down on Thanos though, not that it matters as the debate has long since evolved from that topic.
He's simply more powerful than Tyrant. Feats speak for themselves.
Originally posted by Larcenyyou keep going on and on like a broken record you havent't realized you've lost yet the forum has already made it's decision on the subject guess who came out the victor i'll give you a hint it's not odin, by the way while i am no expert on odin i am familiar enough with him to make a well informed decision, the same goes with tyrant, and i took both characters and found the strongest common factor and made my decision same as everyone else and if you think i'm wrong why dont you ask anyone else what their opinon is on this fight and then tell me how many people agree with me and how many agree with you. Bet ya i'll come up on top and you know why, because i am making an unbias and logical choice. Stop droning on and on about feats honestly did you expect tyrant to stop in the middle of fighting to perform a bunch of of different feats to prove how powerful he is? Take a second and think about this i'm not the only one telling you the same thing how many people and how many ways do we have to tell you before you understand do i have to get the creators of the characters to tell you? honestly it's like we're trying to explain to you 2+2=4 and you think it =6
No, I know you've never read a comic featuring Odin. This is based solely on your knowledge of the character btw.Yeah, but odin didn't job. It just took him a tad bit longer to defeat Thanos then it should have, no biggie.
So superior feats aren't a viable reason for assuming one character is superior to another? 😐
Tyrant never laid a smack down on Thanos though, not that it matters as the debate has long since evolved from that topic.
He's simply more powerful than Tyrant. Feats speak for themselves.
Originally posted by lando005
you keep going on and on like a broken record you havent't realized you've lost yet the forum has already made it's decision on the subject guess who came out the victor i'll give you a hint it's not odin, by the way while i am no expert on odin i am familiar enough with him to make a well informed decision, the same goes with tyrant, and i took both characters and found the strongest common factor and made my decision same as everyone else and if you think i'm wrong why dont you ask anyone else what their opinon is on this fight and then tell me how many people agree with me and how many agree with you. Bet ya i'll come up on top and you know why, because i am making an unbias and logical choice. Stop droning on and on about feats honestly did you expect tyrant to stop in the middle of fighting to perform a bunch of of different feats to prove how powerful he is? Take a second and think about this i'm not the only one telling you the same thing how many people and how many ways do we have to tell you before you understand do i have to get the creators of the characters to tell you? honestly it's like we're trying to explain to you 2+2=4 and you think it =6
What don't you understand about me caring little about the forum consensus?
As long as Odin's feats remain superior o Tyrants than I'll stand firm in my belief that he can defeat him. It matters not that I'm the only one standing with this view.
From what you've shown, you know very little about Odin.
The unbias logical choice would be to choose that character depicted as more powerful in comics. I've done so.
Are debates are depended entirely on feats. Forum rules you know?
The creator of the characters have decided already who the more powerful of the two are. One being depicted as more powerful than the other. 🙂
Originally posted by lando005
also here is another reason why odin doesnt win we have been arguing comparing odin to a depowered tyrant with tyrant coming out the leader here so how is odin going to beat a full powered tyrant which is the one we are using in this fight
Nope, I've ben arguing with the belief that this was full powered Tyrant. A full powered Tyrant that fought an ambiguous Galactus, and was unsure if he actually destroyed a galaxy. 🙂