Captain America and Black Panther versus Dare Devil and Elektra

Originally posted by Metalmanx
What is with all this hate towards Black Panther? Man, he's being so very underrated lately. 😬

Thank you, someone with some freaking common sense.

Originally posted by jasonk3
I think it's because of Hudlin

I don't care if no one likes the new series, it doesn't give people the say so to say hes not a Top Tier Martial Artist, he has always been.

Originally posted by masterbruce
it seems like it's the popular thing to do on KMC right now to hate Black Panther.

And I could understand if there were a mad amount of rabid fanboys towards BP like Wolverine and Hulk, but besides me, I think there might be one or two other people on KMC who would call Panther their favorite character, hell he don't even make most peoples top five.

I probably know more about Panther then anybody on KMC, I think I know what he is, and is not capable of.

Originally posted by capt it up
black panther been very overated as well. alot of things he was said he could do has been proven to not work.

such as his claws were said to be able to turn adamatium into ligued or some non senses and yet that not true it was purely kmc bs.

Dude, we are NEVER going to see panther dice up wolverines claws, think about it, Have we ever seen wolverine cut caps head off, chop spidey in two, straight up Gut any TOP tier Martial Artist!??? Have we ever seen it!??

NO

Yet on KMC no one denys he could do it in the first seconds of a fight, Its called PIS. It would never make for a good comic fight if Panther actually used all his skills and Tech when he fought somebody, same with wolverine, he is easily one of the most deadly martial artist on marvel earth (due to his claws) yet he has been handled by Capt, DD, BP etc. You cant deny that anti-metal turned Ultron into mush, and well, BP claws are anti-metal.

So whats the freaking problem!???

Originally posted by King KAM
[B
and as for BP beating Cap his dad beat an extremely inexperienced cap...extremely inexperienced, PRE-avengers cap, not nearly the Cap we know and love now. he was fighting nazis all the time.... he just wasn't the top MArtial artist cap we know now... [/B]

He was not extremely inexperienced, do you know anything about Military Training son, he became cap in 1940, he fought BP in 1944.

4 Years of Military Combat Training is actually ALOT. don't get me wrong, he wasn't as Capable as he is today. But like Grey Fox said awhile Back. T'Charka did kinda school cap.

Originally posted by jrodslam

And yea lke KAM, id also like to know when BP took out Cap.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz19.jpg
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http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz22.jpg

Cap Cheap shotted T'challa, in the next scnas the fight continues the next day, it also shows off T'challs new light armor, he used it to go Toe to Toe with doom and also Iron man in recent Issues. Could DD go toe to Toe with Iron man and Doom!?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/08.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/09.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/10.jpg

Again, BP does a complex, Spiderman like maneuver and takes out cap while grabbing his shield bouncing off multiple walls. Yeah, DD's in BP league of Agility though. But even still, I would not call it a "clear" victory, T'challa tells cap he has to stop going so hard, he has to let his wounds heal, So cap "might" still be injured, (we don't know how much) remember just a few days later he seems at full strength in the final Civil war battle.

BP is Superhuman when it comes to speed and agility, I dont know how many times I have to explain this to people, dont know if its lack of interests, BP hate, or just lack of common sense. But I'll do it one more time.

DD, while an amazing athlete, is capable of doing many things, he has trained his body to the peak of his athletic ability, DD is a peak athlete. Remember he has to use his billy club to get around city's, BP doesn't, he jumps and crawls, runs up and down walls, just like spidy.

BP, Was already a peak athlete BEFORE he took the Heart shaped herb, he took down six of wakanda's best warriors and then took out his uncle who was BP at the time (remember his uncle had already taken the Heart shaped herb, he was superhuman already).

This meant T'challa had to be very skilled, and he was, he had been training in combat since he was four years old, he had trained his body to the peak of Athletic limits, he was just as athletic as Batman, or DD.

Besides Wolveine, and maybe one of two others, BP has more combat experience and know how then any other martial artist out there, Cap doesn't count because he was frozen for god knows how many decades.

Think of the movie 300, thats how wankandian warriors are trained. They are also sent out into the wild, just the same.

now after T'challa took the heart shaped herb, things happened to his body that no athletic training could accomplish.

1. The herb heighten his senses of course (we all know that) give him night-vision, super hearing smelling, he could now fell atmospheric disturbances. But best of all, it heighten his kinesthetic sense, this is what allows us to close our eyes, and know where the parts of our bodys are, BP's kinesthetic sense extends outside of his body, to his surrounding, He can like Daredevil (although I will admit not as good) make a map of his surrounding by just feeling it out. He kinda just feels it out, he knows that branch or building ledge is their, never has to look for it and never has a doubt that he can accomplish it.

2. It also heightened his agility and speed. The herb bonded with his ligaments in his joints giving he an unheard of degree of flexibility. This alone, is greater then anything any human could accomplish outside of Human Enhancement.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra24ho.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra37la.jpg

He has superhuman Agility and speed. I think most would agree that Beast, is one of marvels top tier when it comes to agility, much like spidy, nightcrawler etc.....

Beast tells panther he is his equal

http://img93.exs.cx/img93/7373/vsbeast1.jpg

Now many people can keep up with beast, but this does not mean you are his equal. BP is Beast Equal, not only that, BP beats beast in battle.

Bp is one of marvels TOP tier when it comes to agility and speed (human speed that is, I dont want anything thinking I meant he is as fast as quicksilver or something, although he as dodge both quicksilver and whirlwind)

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/4858/wind.jpg

not only dodges him but puts on his suit and jumps out of his coat catching him

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7089/quickie1.jpg

Pure speed.

Panther speed is also greater then Wolverines, on two occasions, when panther wasn't even trying, wolverine cant help but notice how fast he is..

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/8647/vswolv1.jpg

and again

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6645/bpvsxmen2wa.jpg

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Phew, I think I made my point, add in BP TECH, his claws, his ability to one hit kill, is Vibranium suit, and you have quite a powerful warrior.

Both BP and CAP are leagues above DD and Electra in terms of combat strategy and know how.

They take this fight, like it or not.

Originally posted by capt it up
in every fight actaully. the recent encounter capt chain mail was fine if black panthers claws really did effect metal then the chain mail would have liquifed right of the bat.

WHat are you talking about, BP and cap have fought, four times I believe (cant remember exaclty)

ANd not once has panther turned his claws against cap. And I know they didnt fight during priest run, and only once during Hudlins, and not once did panther turns his claws against cap!!??

Originally posted by Apolloknight
WHat are you talking about, BP and cap have fought, four times I believe (cant remember exaclty)

ANd not once has panther turned his claws against cap. And I know they didnt fight during priest run, and only once during Hudlins, and not once did panther turns his claws against cap!!??

he had his claws and the point is anti-metal is supose to liquife metal thats close to it however this can not ben the case wil BP claws sicne it did nothing to capts chain mail ever. It would also destroy his suit, but it does not hmmm. You know what it probly only has trace amounts that allows the claws to cut through most all metal however it does not have enough to allow it to screw up metals around it. That would mean he does not nearly have enough anti- metal to damage any indestructable metal.

Originally posted by capt it up
he had his claws and the point is anti-metal is supose to liquife metal thats close to it however this can not ben the case wil BP claws sicne it did nothing to capts chain mail ever. It would also destroy his suit, but it does not hmmm. You know what it probly only has trace amounts that allows the claws to cut through most all metal however it does not have enough to allow it to screw up metals around it. That would mean he does not nearly have enough anti- metal to damage any indestructable metal.

Dude, did he slash him?

Anti-metal doenst liquidfy metals around it, it has to come in contact with it.

What the hell are you talking about?

hahahahahahahahahahaha.....

cap says himself that he wasnt going hard.... good scans cool fight, but not plausible in court kiddo

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahahahahahahahahaha.....

cap says himself that he wasnt going hard.... good scans cool fight, but not plausible in court kiddo

NONE of BP and capts fights are.

I said this a few days ago, they have never had a fight free of PIS/CIS!!?

EVER...............

I dont bring it up, you do, or other do.

"Man cap schooled panther during the contest of champions blah blah blah"

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Thank you, someone with some freaking common sense.

I don't care if no one likes the new series, it doesn't give people the say so to say hes not a Top Tier Martial Artist, he has always been.

And I could understand if there were a mad amount of rabid fanboys towards BP like Wolverine and Hulk, but besides me, I think there might be one or two other people on KMC who would call Panther their favorite character, hell he don't even make most peoples top five.

I probably know more about Panther then anybody on KMC, I think I know what he is, and is not capable of.

Dude, we are NEVER going to see panther dice up wolverines claws, think about it, Have we ever seen wolverine cut caps head off, chop spidey in two, straight up Gut any TOP tier Martial Artist!??? Have we ever seen it!??

NO

Yet on KMC no one denys he could do it in the first seconds of a fight, Its called PIS. It would never make for a good comic fight if Panther actually used all his skills and Tech when he fought somebody, same with wolverine, he is easily one of the most deadly martial artist on marvel earth (due to his claws) yet he has been handled by Capt, DD, BP etc. You cant deny that anti-metal turned Ultron into mush, and well, BP claws are anti-metal.

So whats the freaking problem!???

He was not extremely inexperienced, do you know anything about Military Training son, he became cap in 1940, he fought BP in 1944.

4 Years of Military Combat Training is actually ALOT. don't get me wrong, he wasn't as Capable as he is today. But like Grey Fox said awhile Back. T'Charka did kinda school cap.

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz19.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz20.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz21.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz22.jpg

Cap Cheap shotted T'challa, in the next scnas the fight continues the next day, it also shows off T'challs new light armor, he used it to go Toe to Toe with doom and also Iron man in recent Issues. Could DD go toe to Toe with Iron man and Doom!?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/08.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/09.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/10.jpg

Again, BP does a complex, Spiderman like maneuver and takes out cap while grabbing his shield bouncing off multiple walls. Yeah, DD's in BP league of Agility though. But even still, I would not call it a "clear" victory, T'challa tells cap he has to stop going so hard, he has to let his wounds heal, So cap "might" still be injured, (we don't know how much) remember just a few days later he seems at full strength in the final Civil war battle.

BP is Superhuman when it comes to speed and agility, I dont know how many times I have to explain this to people, dont know if its lack of interests, BP hate, or just lack of common sense. But I'll do it one more time.

DD, while an amazing athlete, is capable of doing many things, he has trained his body to the peak of his athletic ability, DD is a peak athlete. Remember he has to use his billy club to get around city's, BP doesn't, he jumps and crawls, runs up and down walls, just like spidy.

BP, Was already a peak athlete BEFORE he took the Heart shaped herb, he took down six of wakanda's best warriors and then took out his uncle who was BP at the time (remember his uncle had already taken the Heart shaped herb, he was superhuman already).

This meant T'challa had to be very skilled, and he was, he had been training in combat since he was four years old, he had trained his body to the peak of Athletic limits, he was just as athletic as Batman, or DD.

Besides Wolveine, and maybe one of two others, BP has more combat experience and know how then any other martial artist out there, Cap doesn't count because he was frozen for god knows how many decades.

Think of the movie 300, thats how wankandian warriors are trained. They are also sent out into the wild, just the same.

now after T'challa took the heart shaped herb, things happened to his body that no athletic training could accomplish.

1. The herb heighten his senses of course (we all know that) give him night-vision, super hearing smelling, he could now fell atmospheric disturbances. But best of all, it heighten his kinesthetic sense, this is what allows us to close our eyes, and know where the parts of our bodys are, BP's kinesthetic sense extends outside of his body, to his surrounding, He can like Daredevil (although I will admit not as good) make a map of his surrounding by just feeling it out. He kinda just feels it out, he knows that branch or building ledge is their, never has to look for it and never has a doubt that he can accomplish it.

2. It also heightened his agility and speed. The herb bonded with his ligaments in his joints giving he an unheard of degree of flexibility. This alone, is greater then anything any human could accomplish outside of Human Enhancement.

http://img158.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra24ho.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/my.php?image=supra37la.jpg

He has superhuman Agility and speed. I think most would agree that Beast, is one of marvels top tier when it comes to agility, much like spidy, nightcrawler etc.....

Beast tells panther he is his equal

http://img93.exs.cx/img93/7373/vsbeast1.jpg

Now many people can keep up with beast, but this does not mean you are his equal. BP is Beast Equal, not only that, BP beats beast in battle.

Bp is one of marvels TOP tier when it comes to agility and speed (human speed that is, I dont want anything thinking I meant he is as fast as quicksilver or something, although he as dodge both quicksilver and whirlwind)

http://img94.exs.cx/img94/4858/wind.jpg

not only dodges him but puts on his suit and jumps out of his coat catching him

http://img44.exs.cx/img44/7089/quickie1.jpg

Pure speed.

Panther speed is also greater then Wolverines, on two occasions, when panther wasn't even trying, wolverine cant help but notice how fast he is..

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/8647/vswolv1.jpg

and again

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6645/bpvsxmen2wa.jpg

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Phew, I think I made my point, add in BP TECH, his claws, his ability to one hit kill, is Vibranium suit, and you have quite a powerful warrior.

Both BP and CAP are leagues above DD and Electra in terms of combat strategy and know how.

They take this fight, like it or not.

Well, you said everything I was going to, and then some.

And since I didn't vote yet, I give this to BP and Cap.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
NONE of BP and capts fights are.

I said this a few days ago, they have never had a fight free of PIS/CIS!!?

EVER...............

I dont bring it up, you do, or other do.

"Man cap schooled panther during the contest of champions blah blah blah"

when they fought in the old avengers, cap nailed him damn good also.

BP in new armor barely got the upper hand on an injured, joking, captain america.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Dude, did he slash him?

Anti-metal doenst liquidfy metals around it, it has to come in contact with it.

What the hell are you talking about?

Originally posted by capt it up
actaully it does. when they did it to ultron it was altering its molicules from afar it was not touch ultron till he punch the alter molicules I think it was hank who did it.

Shut up

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chip425xl.jpg

Damages Iron man, freaking Iron man, who is scared and makes a suit designed to take down T'challa, would cap, DD or wolverine get such respect!?

http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsman2.jpg

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Originally posted by Apolloknight
Shut up

http://img156.imageshack.us/my.php?image=chip425xl.jpg

Damages Iron man, freaking Iron man, who is scared and makes a suit designed to take down T'challa, would cap, DD or wolverine get such respect!?

http://img63.imageshack.us/my.php?image=vsman2.jpg

your first scann only further proved my point that it can only damage non breakable metals when he slashes them.

iron man is scared of a man who country owns the best technology in the world he afraid black panther willg et smart and make a suit like his.

magneto stated wolverine has his greatest rival and he been stated as unstopable while in a beserker rage. It's just a bunch fo words though he is dam ahrd to take out while berserker.

second scann im not even sure what the hell your trying to prove with it

Originally posted by capt it up
shut up?

your first scann only further proved my point that it can only damage non breakable metals when he slashes them.

!?

Because we all know T'challa was trying to kill Tony in that fight and not just slow him down.

Wow, you, are, unbelievable......Stop downplaying Everything I have shown you.

You said he had no effect to Caps Chain mail armor.

I gave you proof it does effect Indestrutable metals, yet you still deny it.

Originally posted by capt it up

second scann im not even sure what the hell your trying to prove with it

Sorry let me spell it out for you, you seem kinda slow today.

Iron man knew T'challas claws would Dice him up, or liquidfy his armor, Therefore, he create a armor that reacts to his claws, so he wont be cut up.

Get it!?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
!?

Because we all know T'challa was trying to kill Tony in that fight and not just slow him down.

Wow, you, are, unbelievable......Stop downplaying Everything I have shown you.

You said he had no effect to Caps Chain mail armor.

I gave you proof it does effect Indestrutable metals, yet you still deny it.

It can cut metals that are no unbreakalble however it can not break unbreakable metals. When they destroy ultron with out touch him his metal man to break down on a molecular level. Now if panther had this much anti- metal capt chain mail would breka down with out him touching it so would black panthers suit.

The claws have only a little and I was never saying he could not cut the chain mail.

what proof did you give that it breaks unbreakable metals? Tony armor is not unbreakable and never has been.

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Sorry let me spell it out for you, you seem kinda slow today.

Iron man knew T'challas claws would Dice him up, or liquidfy his armor, Therefore, he create a armor that reacts to his claws, so he wont be cut up.

Get it!?

Originally posted by capt it up
iron mans not even in that scan and there talking about water lol

Do people actually waste time debating with you!?

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
Right... this is a person who bats away bullets due to his radar sense, and was able to roll with Spiderman's punches...

Yeah thats right and still managed to get beaten up badly by the Punisher and Kingpin. Why, because eventhough he can bat bullets away when he comes up against an MA expert it really doesnt do that much.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph
and was able to roll with Spiderman's punches...

Who was pulling his punches and if he was using full force punches would have probably killed him.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

Spiderman, who is a f*ck of a lot faster than BP or Captain America.

No he is not. Spiderman is faster than Cap and Bp but not by a great deal, they all have similar dodging feats. Besides eventhough heroes like Cap are not as fast as Spiderman they give Spiderman problems because they are MA experts. Spiderman has clearly stated that he cant take Cap in H2H and even a robot clone of Spiderman said the same thing. So by that logic Cap should be more dangerous to DD than Spiderman.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

And he can't dodge a punch from BP? Uh-huh.

Yes he can, but your making it sound like because he has radar sense he can dodge BP easily, which is rubbish.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

Yes. Yes it does. It means she'll know every move he's going to make as soon as he thinks it.

Well if its like DD radar sense, it wont really make a difference....as I explained earlier.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

And she's more skilled then BP. So, yes. Yes it does.

Well I think Apolloknight made a good case thats shes not.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

If you actually read my post, you would see I was refferring to BP without his vibranium suit... I was told he was insanley durable without it, and that was my response.

Ok.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

And they would both win.

If you say so.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

He is not a top tier MA. She is.

I think Apolloknight proved that he is.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

She has pre-cog.

Which doesnt really mean that much at all.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

She'll know where to shred his suit.

Well if DD tells her yeah. Besides I thought she could just detect what her opponent is going to do next, not detailed telepathy while fighting.

Originally posted by SpunkySmurph

She is more skilled. She is also VERY fast.

BPs not skilled or fast either? 🤨

Originally posted by Apolloknight

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz19.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz20.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz21.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/Black%20Panther24/blz22.jpg

Cap Cheap shotted T'challa, in the next scnas the fight continues the next day, it also shows off T'challs new light armor, he used it to go Toe to Toe with doom and also Iron man in recent Issues. Could DD go toe to Toe with Iron man and Doom!?

http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/08.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/09.jpg
http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r56/Cypher69/BP24/10.jpg

Is that Hudlin?

Originally posted by Apolloknight
Do people actually waste time debating with you!?

you can think what you want if you like make a thread about and it see for your self

Originally posted by King KAM
hahahahahahahahahahaha.....

cap says himself that he wasnt going hard.... good scans cool fight, but not plausible in court kiddo

Yup BP also stated Cap needed to heal his wounds I sure he's reffering to the Ironman/explosion beat down he endured.