Originally posted by Minie Mina
It's unbelievable on how there are more details and describes more on the script than the movie itself. The movie is still satisfying 100%. But the script is very interesting. I'm talking about DMC.
Ha, you're right Mina. Not only did I re-read the AWE novelization, but I studied the DMC script as well. That scene that Diva mentioned in the prison is different in the script.
In that scene:
Elizabeth: I'll wait for you
Will: Not much choice is there? Keep a weather eye out on the horizon.
Again, this concept of choices surrounds Elizabeth and Will's relationship. I noticed a lot of emphasis on choices in the Awe novelization as well.
What did you notice about the DMC script Mina?
Originally posted by willofthewisp
What do you mean, mina? PS: you haven't written anything lately on the fanfic.
I'm sorry. And I mean that it has more details. You get to go inside the character.
Yeah, I had writer's block at first. Then I started waiting for people to have their turn then I forgot. I know I probably have a lot of catching up to do.
Originally posted by PirateDiva
Can some one send me the DMC script...i had it copied...but i think i erased it thinking it was something else!
and yes...didnt they describe it as a Kiss for the ages, a kiss building up ever since they meet or something!?
Oops i quoted myself when i meant to quote Mina...lol!! sorry!
Mina, it's kind of informal as far as turns go. If you have a part you really want to do, you request that, but other than that, just write when the spirit moves you. Surreal and I both posted and ours are kind of long, so feel free to take it from here. Btw: it's pretty awesome. A lot of sexual tension.
Originally posted by Minie Mina
Alright, I promise you I'm not saying this because I'm a sparrabether, but I love the description of the kiss. How Jack felt. It was so very well written on how it describes Jack's character, his feelings. I loved it.
There are some other tidbits in the script that are great too that outline Jack's feelings more clearly than what was shown in the film. For instance, I like the scene when he returns to the ship.
"Jack rows quickly away, unhappy as he looks back at his ship. Jack glances over his shoulder at his destination. Isla Cruces is not too far. He can make it.
A swell tosses him sideways and the Compass rolls free. Jack picks it up, Opens it, looks at it...
He stares down at the reading, curses. We don't see the Compass face but Jack looks back--
just as in the distance, Elizabeth dashes across the deck of the ship, rifle in hand--
Jack looks back toward the island. He wants to leave. Jack looks down, snaps the compass shut."
Then they cut to the shot of Elizabeth. noticing his escape and her line. "You coward"
Personally, I like the screenplay version better because it makes his death all the more ironic. Here he has made a genuinely brave decision to return, and she thinks the worst of him. Her decision to sacrifice him was made on a misperception of his character, rather than a truth. Or rather it was based on his words, rather than his actions.
It sort of sets the for their conflict in AWE and the overrall nature of their relationship.
The nice part about her choice to sacrifice Jack again in AWE is that at least this time Will has taken it upon himself to make it known to Elizabeth that Jack's words do not inherrently match his actions.
You know, this may sound awfully stupid of me, but I still don't get the whole deal of Elizabeth killing Jack.
Does that make her a hero that she killed the man whom she may have feelings for for the crew? Or does that make her a murderer for sending a "good man" to his ultimate doom with the kraken.
For starters, some how it doesn't hurt her character. It actually makes a new stage, a more depth to it. It shows on how much she embraced her pirate side and how she "acted on a selfish impulse. She wasn't able to resist, she wanted to see what is like."
Jack was going to stay anyways but not for his ship, for his crew and Elizabeth. Remember, it's only a ship. Elizabeth decided to tie him to the mast in case he changed his mind. That's what it seemed to me. But I digress.
Still, what was the whole purpose to this? She killed him, and now she wants him back. Is this a way to show the audience that you don't know what you have until is gone?
Or was this to make another journey for our characters to find their way.
OK, I think I just pretty much blabbered
Originally posted by Minie Mina
You know, this may sound awfully stupid of me, but I still don't get the whole deal of Elizabeth killing Jack.Does that make her a hero that she killed the man whom she may have feelings for for the crew? Or does that make her a murderer for sending a "good man" to his ultimate doom with the kraken.
For starters, some how it doesn't hurt her character. It actually makes a new stage, a more depth to it. It shows on how much she embraced her pirate side and how she "acted on a selfish impulse. She wasn't able to resist, she wanted to see what is like."
Jack was going to stay anyways but not for his ship, for his crew and Elizabeth. Remember, it's only a ship. Elizabeth decided to tie him to the mast in case he changed his mind. That's what it seemed to me. But I digress.
Still, what was the whole purpose to this? She killed him, and now she wants him back. Is this a way to show the audience that you don't know what you have until is gone?
Or was this to make another journey for our characters to find their way.
OK, I think I just pretty much blabbered
Actually, those are really good questions Mina! I don't think you're blathering at all. It's a question that I still struggle with when I watch DMC. I actually think the script is a little more clear as to why she does what she does, and it has to do with the order of the scene I posted. Jack's biggest character flaws is that he never explains to the pawns of the game, his intentions in moving them around the chess board.
So, even though he wanted to send Will to get the key of Davy Jones for himself, he meant him no actual harm. He knew he'd be protected because Bootstrap was also on the ship. Also, I think it was Jack's way of reuniting father and son. A repayment for Bootstrap and Will's loyalty to him.
But, we never see that side of him. All the characters have to judge Jack acurately are his words. So, when Elizabeth confronts him and says:
"Every word you said to me was a lie." And he says: "pretty much", he essentially put the nail in his own coffin.
What no one understands about Jack is that you have to judge his character based on his actions and not his words. So, even though she is attracted to him, his words essentially imply that he betrayed Will and put them all at terrible risk. Elizabeth, being a fairly noble character will not put up with that sort of injustice. So she chose to sacrifice him. To me, Elizabeth is the voice of reason among the characters. She holds them accountable in a world where there is no loyalty amongst thieves. Her actions were holding Jack accountable to the good man who returned to the ship to rescue them. I love the irony of the situation because its only with Jack that we see her foot slip. During the course of the kiss, she is less the voice of reason as she gives into her own passion. (Or lust, as some of you would say. 🙂
However, it's a good decision, made for the wrong reason and there fore the wrong decision. She made a choice, based on inaccurate assumptions. Her first impression of Jack (that he is a good man) was correct, but she doubted herself. In that moment of doubt, she made a poor choice. She doesn't realize the gravity of her decision until she's in Tia Dalma's hut.
Actually, I see the kiss as drawing yet another parallel to Jack's character. Her internal moral structure is like his (what a woman can do and what a woman can't do).
She can kill him and send him to his death to arguably save the crew and herself, but she can't live with that decision.
It's the same with Jack's choice between abandoning ship or returning to the Pearl. It's a very humane trait, even though on the surface, it seems cruel.
Does that help?
yeah, and weren't their rumors about a necklace and a kiss or something? and that he passes on his pirate lordship thing to lizzy? not sure (i'm really behind in the rumpr catagory) but it would seem as if there is a little thing there, according to the leaked scripts. Oh, la la! I'm officially a Saobeth. ;D
Originally posted by PirateDiva
Is it me or does Elizabeth seem a little intriqued by Sao Feng?
Do you blame her? It's Cho Young Fat. Even with rotting teeth and scars he's hot.
I think she's intrigued by the way he treats her with respect and reverance. She's used to being treated like a high born lady and she gave that up for the pirate world. So to be treated like a high born lady in the pirate world is something unsual for her. And did I mention.....
He's Cho Young Fat?!
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