Originally posted by Pirategirl85I think Bloom gets all this crap piled on him just because of how good Johnny Depp is, and I hope that if Disney does make a fourth they don't cheap out and either keep all the main charcters or start with a new cast with just Captin Jack of course
well I know it has been talked about before but here are some news about orlando....
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2006/10/orlando_bloom_out_for_pirates_4.html
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Well, I think Will confronts to Elizabeth, not Jack.But I'm not sure if he questions her on her actions on why killing Jack, or her feelings towards Jack.
Spot on Mina. He does in fact confront Elizabeth. Right after Jack reveals that it was Elizabeth who sent him to his death. Will puts two and two together. Here is the scene if you haven't read it already:
572 INT. BLACK PEARL - BELOW DECKS - DAY
Will looks, finds Elizabeth, sitting alone.
WILL
You left Jack to the Kraken.
She looks up. She's been crying -- but she is relieved.
ELIZABETH
He's rescued now. It's done with.
Will does not agree. Looks away. Se stands --
ELIZABETH (cont'd)
Will, I had no choice!
WILL
You chose not to tell me
ELIZABETH
I couldn't. It wasn't your burden to bear.
He catches her arm, pulls her around to face him.
WILL
But I did bear it. Didn't I? I just didn't know what it was. I thought...
ELIZABETH
You thought I loved him.
She tries to move past him. He blocks her way. She tries to push him aside. He pushes her back against the hull.
WILL
If you make your choices alone, how can I trust you?
ELIZABETH
You can't.
He looks away from her. She ducks beneath his arm and goes.
But of course, to drag the suspense out even more, she naturally doesn't really answer the question about where her feelings lie. You could quibble and say that she does, but the fact that Will believed her to be unfaithful to him was insulting to her honor.
Originally posted by murphy83
I think Bloom gets all this crap piled on him just because of how good Johnny Depp is, and I hope that if Disney does make a fourth they don't cheap out and either keep all the main charcters or start with a new cast with just Captin Jack of course
Not only that, but the rumor that he was clipped from the film because of cost is bogus. And honestly, I also believe he gets a terrible ammount of flaque. He's a young actor, tossed into the pit with seasoned professionals who've been acting for a while. His part isn't meant to be dynamic; Will Turner is the everyman who has greatness thrust on him. Think Jim Hawkings in Treasure Island. That sort of character can't compete with a Long John Silver, unless he's given more to work with. He's written square so that when we see his character develop and grow into his touch of destiny, it's more a shock. I think he plays the part rather well.
Originally posted by Ericadawn
No, it isn't related to Disney, but it is Mythic which is what Ted and Terry seem to be going for, even Hercules had to kill himself in the end.
That's true, they're writing an epic movie. And with the dark direction that they took DMC, the chances are that there will be some tragedy in AWE. We already know there are some heart breaking losses, so a happy, tie it up with a bow ending is not what's in store. It's ok to use the it's Disney excuse to an extent, but remember that Pirates is an adult fairy tale. Pirates is unlike any story that Disney has done before. The hero of the series will have to make some sort of gut wrenching sacrifice, but who is the true hero?
Originally posted by savvysparrow
That's true, they're writing an epic movie. And with the dark direction that they took DMC, the chances are that there will be some tragedy in AWE. We already know there are some heart breaking losses, so a happy, tie it up with a bow ending is not what's in store. It's ok to use the it's Disney excuse to an extent, but remember that Pirates is an adult fairy tale. Pirates is unlike any story that Disney has done before. The hero of the series will have to make some sort of gut wrenching sacrifice, but who is the true hero?
I agree. Pirates is an adult fairy tale. They are writing an epic movie, but what makes pirates dirfferent form LOTR is that its an adul DISNEY fairy tale.
If you are going to have Jack unhappy, believe me that the majority of the people will leave unhappy from that theater.
So, I doubt about that part. Writers are smart...they have a clear vision in their heads.
I know alot of people are hating Elizabeth right about now.
One thing, for the Norrie fans. Because she used him, she accepted his proposal just to save Will etc. I won't repeat because everyone knows what happens.
With Will is the same and with Jack.
Things happen for a reason. So if Jack was put into the story just to get hurt by Elizabeth, then there is no use for DMC.
I have asked this many times, why DMC? If the relationship between Will and Liz was as magical as any ol' love story, there would be no DMC. No fate intervened, no curiosity, no nothing--no kiss.
So come on...I'm not sure if people are saying this to torture us in our wait for the movie so we later be surprised, or they are just saying this just to make fun of us.
Saying what? That Will and Elizabeth start COTBP and end AWE? They're saying it because it's a good possibility. It's quite possible that the writers have written an epic love story between W/E. I won't discount that theory at all. Anything is up for grabs because we don't have a whole lot of information.
Originally posted by Ericadawn
I think everyone will be making sacrifices...the question is how big is the sacrifice and what will it entail?For some, they will have to give their life for what they believe.
Which actually is an excellent question to ask! Genius!
What do the individual characters believe in? And why? What sacrifices will they make and why?
Answer for the following characters:
Jack
Barbossa
Elizabeth
Will
Norrington
Beckett
Mr. Cotton's Parrot...
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I agree. Pirates is an adult fairy tale. They are writing an epic movie, but what makes pirates dirfferent form LOTR is that its an adul DISNEY fairy tale.If you are going to have Jack unhappy, believe me that the majority of the people will leave unhappy from that theater.
So, I doubt about that part. Writers are smart...they have a clear vision in their heads.
I know alot of people are hating Elizabeth right about now.
One thing, for the Norrie fans. Because she used him, she accepted his proposal just to save Will etc. I won't repeat because everyone knows what happens.
With Will is the same and with Jack.
Things happen for a reason. So if Jack was put into the story just to get hurt by Elizabeth, then there is no use for DMC.
I have asked this many times, why DMC? If the relationship between Will and Liz was as magical as any ol' love story, there would be no DMC. No fate intervened, no curiosity, no nothing--no kiss.
So come on...I'm not sure if people are saying this to torture us in our wait for the movie so we later be surprised, or they are just saying this just to make fun of us.
good logic, Chiki. I think either way, they aren't going to pass Jack off as a "bump in the road" or sweep their relationship under the rug. Whether they use Jack and Elizabeth in each other's lives to show them both what's really important and who they truly are, or allow a long-lasting friendship to develop, or actually continue to push the romantic aspect of them, I'm sure they will give their story it's proper weight.
You know girs,If I were a bride being in love with my fiancé,(sorry for repeating myself,i a have written about this before)I wouldn't flirt with an other guy,I wouldn't smile while thinking of an other guy,I wouldn't have second thoughts,and i wouldn't kiss another man (nom atter what reason).Because if I did I would have to think my relationship over.It's the same with Elizabeth.There might be a WE end in the third movie,but they should be very strong hearted,and they need true love,they need forgiveness,for it's so hard to start a marriage when there is no strong love,forgiveness,and a decision to stay together and be the other half of their husband or wife.As it is written in a song fromQueen:'it's a hard life to be true lovers together,to love and live forever in each other's heart.It's a strong hard fight when you learn to care for each other,to trust in oneanother right from the star.when you're in love.'
Don't know what end in AWE will,be but they have to keep that in mind.
IM sure we will get plenty of mushy W/E moments that will make your toes curl....Those will be the moments when i throw my head onto my BF's shoulder and weep lmao 🙂
ATM i see the W/E relationship playing out of simple misunderstanding.
He thinks one thing, she thinks another....and im betting that when we see that final battle at the end, THAT will be the only time they kiss, AND it will the time when they FINALLY get on the right track to realising that they have been giving eachother mixed signals.
But im not worried 😄
Because we know that J/E spend some quality time together WITHOUT Will (when they go on their travels - with barboza????...who is sure to mix it all up 😄 hehehe!!!)
*Goes back over to her fence and purches herself on it*
I wouldnt want to get a telling off from Kenny16 for showing my Shipper faith now, would i???? 🙂
You are right they didn't put DMC in there for nothing. The kiss was probably a new start for them (j/e) they came one step closer towards their feelings for each other.
Exactly Jack and liz have all the chemistry in the movies. Will and liz seem too serious for me like they don't have a laughing relationship, but then when you see liz and Jack together you can see and feel the chemistry.
Also i agree with you Ditte3, Elizabeth did all this to Will with Jack and to expect her relationship to last very long, he can't trust her anymore what kind of relationship is that where your husband/fiance cannot even trust you. That would be a very miserable relationship.
They already proved that Jack loves Elizabeth, you cannot stop loving someone just like that, and Will and liz i believed has kinda drifted far aprat to stop true love. They say the ending is kick-ass bittersweet so i think liz not ending with Will is kick-ass depending on how you put it and Will captain of the flying dutchman is is bittersweet or vise versa.
Originally posted by Chiki Mina
I agree. Pirates is an adult fairy tale. They are writing an epic movie, but what makes pirates dirfferent form LOTR is that its an adul DISNEY fairy tale.If you are going to have Jack unhappy, believe me that the majority of the people will leave unhappy from that theater.
So, I doubt about that part. Writers are smart...they have a clear vision in their heads.
I know alot of people are hating Elizabeth right about now.
One thing, for the Norrie fans. Because she used him, she accepted his proposal just to save Will etc. I won't repeat because everyone knows what happens.
With Will is the same and with Jack.
Things happen for a reason. So if Jack was put into the story just to get hurt by Elizabeth, then there is no use for DMC.
I have asked this many times, why DMC? If the relationship between Will and Liz was as magical as any ol' love story, there would be no DMC. No fate intervened, no curiosity, no nothing--no kiss.
So come on...I'm not sure if people are saying this to torture us in our wait for the movie so we later be surprised, or they are just saying this just to make fun of us.
I agree Chiki.....things happen for a reason...
1) Jack has been vexed since he left port in Port Royal
2) he's suppose to want to find the chest Most in this world to escape his fate with DAvy Jones...but guess what? His compass isn't pointing him in that direction...because that's not what he wants most in this world..
And Surreal..that is the main plot of the movie...Jack has a debt to pay to Davy Jones in order to save his soul he must find the key to unlock the chest and he must find the chest...but.....his compass isn't working for him in that matter...because Elizabeth is playing into his thoughts and feelings...he is no longer focused on what he should be focused on....or else he wouldn't have needed Will and Elizabeth's help..who by the way go to him....in order to fine the key and the chest....
3) Mr. Gibbs points out to Marty that Jack is vexed....
4) Tia points out that Jack's compass isn't working...or maybe he is..but is loathed to claim what he wants most in this world..and as mentioned before...Will does have an odd look on his face...like What is Jack hiding...why isn't his compass working to find the chest...what else could Jack want most in this world...
5) Then we have Tia tell the story of Davy and Calypso...and what vexes men most...jack responds..A Woman..ted and terry say in the commentary that is the clue for the audience to realize that Jack himself is vexed by a woman...Elizabeth...hence "why is the rum always gone..." line...
6) Will and Elizabeth are supposed to be married..but the wedding is stopped...because they are under arrest for helping Captain jack Sparrow escape....Liz is thrown in jail and Will is set out to find Jack and return him and his "compass" to Lord Beckett in exchange for Liz's freedom...
7) Liz escapes on her on...not one to sit and wait on Will....and holds Beckett at gunpoint to get the letters of marque intended for Jack..and beckett is amazed at the lengths she will go to..."ah yes, a marraige interrupted, or fate intervenes." "these are not for Jack"..."Oh, Really....." I don't think Beckett really believes her....he'll use what he's discoverd against Jack..to lure him into a trap on AWE...just watch...
8) Liz hijacks a ship without firing a single shot and gets them to take her to Tortuga...so she can find Will and/or Jack....and ted and terry say "now who does that sound like"...uh, duh? Jack!
9) oh yeah..Jack frees Elizabeth from her corsett in POTC...
10) Peas in a Pod, Darling.....
11) Liz joins Jack on the Black Pearl...he gives her the compass..."true enough, this compass does not point north." "Where does it point to?"..."It points to the thing you Want Most In This World"...."ah, jack are you telling the truth?"..."every word, luv."...there is no doubt that when Jack says this line that he is implying that he wants her...the way he glaces down on her person/lips..whatever...
12) The Persuade Me scene...yes, he is flirting...and not just because she is the only woman on board the ship....he has thinking of her before this..so much so..that his compass cannot lead him to the chest or the key in order to save his life..he needed help....
13) After jack says "as I said, Persuade Me"....we see Liz off to the side smiling and daydreaming about Jack..and how do we know this to be true...cuz Norrington lets us know.."it's a curious thing, there was a time i would have given anything for you to look LIKE THAT while THINKING about me...." "I don't know what you mean"..."oh, I think you do."..and obviously she does cuz she responds "I trust him that's all"..and Norrie says "so, you never wondered how your latest fiance ended up aboard the flying crocodile machine in that first place"..by norrie espressions and mannerisms...I think he is amazed that she is so smitten with jack that she can't see he may in fact not be telling her the whole truth about What happened to Will...she sooo totally trusts jack...and that's referenced on several occasions....
15)Liz pulls out the compass and it points to Jack...no matter what was really going on with the compass..the fact is that Elizabeth believes that it is pointing to Jack..for some reason..
16) The Curiosity Scene....this is where they set the guidelines as to what each other would expect from the other in order for a relationship to work between the two of them..yes, they are playing each other...but it's very sexy..and why would they be flirting and challenging each other if there were nothing between them....
and Liz is very disappointed that the kiss doesn't happen....if she wasn't suppose to be then somebody should have told Keira to have a different expression...
17) The compass points at Jack ....and even though it may be pointing at the chest ...the important thing here...is Elizabeth believes, yet again, that the compass is pointing to JACK...and the camera angle let's us think that too...just as before...yet again..we get another quirky look from Norrington as he notices what is transpiring between jack and liz...
18) The Island....Liz does kind of give this quirky little look toward Jack after she kisses Will....as if saying "see Jack, Will's here..(and to herself )..I don't want you.....
19) Instead of being "oh Will you met your father..what was he like? no, she is too upset that Jack has been lying to her.....all she can foucs on is Jack yet again...
20) the Black Pearl...we see that Liz is the one to see jack going off in the longboat.."oh you coward"
21) Jack starts questioning his decision, his conscience is weighing on him...so he pulls out his compass..it doesn't show us what jack sees, but we can pretty much assume that it works suddenly for Jack and he goes back to the Pearl....(ted/terry say that he believes the compass points right here to what its been pointing to for Jack the entire movie..but he won't say what he'll just let us ponder that one...well, that's pretty easy cuz they already told us earlier in the commentaries that it's Elizabeth messing with Jack's compass... 😱 )
22) Jack shows up and we get that great "halo" shot of Jack and Elizabeth looks up to him and grabs onto his leg..."hero/rock star worship"...even t and t say this in the commentary....okay, so why not have her run down to Will to check on him..instead of staying with Jack..
23) Jack "abandon ship into the longboat"
Gibbs "jack, the pearl?"
Jack "She's only a ship mate"
.....okay this is the same ship that Jack fought through hell and back for 10 years to get back from Barbossa...it represents freedom for him..and now he is willing to let it go....but maybe not...maybe he was planning to stay with the Pearl while the others escaped...he brought the longboat back for them...
24) Liz stays behind to tell Jack "thank you"
"we're not free yet, luv"....this is a very tender mometn before the Kiss..just look how he is looking at her..don't tell me that he is just flirting with her because she's the only woman around....it's much deeper than that....and then the Kiss....but it's after the kiss..the way she stays right there with him...face to face, mouth to mouth, nose to nose...like she can't tear herself away...this is hard for her...she thinks she is doing the right thing....maybe this is a sacrifice for her...eh, she is willing to let Jack go in order to save the others....it's obvious she has feelings for him...deeper than just friendship and trust...."this is the only way, don't you see...I'm not sorry "..."Pirate"..it's hard for her to swallow...she acted on selfish impulse...and she regrets it later....
25) In Tia's cabin we see her grief and sorrow..over killing a man she may indeed love..as terry said on wordplayer...
As for what will happen in AWE...I don't really know..so we see a kiss and a marraige proposal of Will and Elizabeth...but would the resolution to Elizabeth's choice be so plainly seen in the trailer...then we have the "it would have never worked out between us"..."keep telling yourself that, darling"....the tension is still there..Liz can't even look Jack in the eye when she tells him that...she is looking at his lips when she first starts talking...she looks tired, beat....and Jack looks like he is smiling to hide his true feelings...(like in that "choke on it" scene someone posted her back in the fall)...
Notice how they show this exchange between j and e...before we see the kiss and proposal in the trailer....is it a trick...or have they revealed the resolution to the triangle? ted and terry are very tricky, either way....I gotta run..chat with everyone later...
oh yea, and kenny and surreal...I know you will shoot me down...but that's okay...cuz i believe what I believe..
Kenny play your tamborine if you like..it won't bother me any... 😉