savvysparrow
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Originally posted by Surreal_44
Savvy: Ooh, good point about Will. I think what I was really trying to write, but worded very poorly, was that Will could eventually lose who he is to being captain of the dutchman, especially if (and in my opinion, this is a big "if"😉 Jack and Elizabeth do end up together. Would Will become lost in his role as captain, as Davy Jones did?I liked what you said about Jack's sacrifices. Do you think he will have to sacrifice anything in order to regain the trust of those he's hurt (specifically, Will and Elizabeth)? Once again, I'm not looking at it from a shipping point of view, but he used both of them terribly in DMC, even though they trusted him to do right by them. In AWE, if he betrays them again, how difficult do you think it would be for him to regain their trust, or do you think that the bond between the trio is enough that they'll join back together seamlessly?
Good questions!
As far as Will goes, no I don't believe he'll lose his identity as Davy Jones did, even if J/E do in fact get together. I think it's important to note that Will's intentions to stab the heart, whether it was to save his own life or to save the life of his father, were not Jones' intentions. Jones' act of ripping out his heart was in part, a selfish one, in that it was self indulgent. Also, his decision to warp the purpose of the Dutchman was a selfish one. Will is almost wholly unselfish, so I can't see him losing his identity. He's too strong of a person, if that makes any sense. He's secure in who he is, and once he takes command of his destiny, I think we'll see an even stronger man. If Jack and Elizabeth get together, it would be through the efforts of Will. I don't believe Jack or Elizabeth would destroy Will to see themselves happy if that makes any sense. So there would be no reason for him to lose his identity. Not to mention, he has his father at his side to remind him of who he is.
Now the last part of the question. I think there will be some point in the film where the trio will be reminded that they owe an allegiance to each other. That they work best when all of them are on the same side so to speak. By the end of the film, they will have all betrayed one another significantly; they'll face a danger so great that at some point I don't necessarily believe it will matter. They'll see, like in the battle against Barbossa in the first film, that Jack really does care for his two friends. The fact that he is even willing to stab the heart to begin with shows that he does feel some remorse. (Not looking at it from a shipping angle, but from the way it was described, it seems as though Jack wants to stab the heart to make ammends for his betrayals and take control of the battle). Also, what he's willing to do to save Will's life shows me that they would probably forgive each other in the end.
Also, I do want to point out a few small things that foreshadow both Will's fate and in a sense, the reunion of the trio. For starters, DMC. The trio aren't capable of succeeding if one piece of the puzzle is missing. Notice that in the battle against the Kracken, it took all of them working together to beat the Kracken back so that they could escape. Will came up with the plan with the powder kegs, Elizabeth was a good portion of that plan until she lost the gun, Jack made it succeed. I have a hunch that this is how the moments of the final battle will go. Will can lead the charge, and to a certain extent succeed with Elizabeth at his side, but he'll be wounded. I suspect that Elizabeth, the woman who can "do whatever is necessary" will not be able to bring herself to make Will stab the heart, and that it will take Jack to do it.
And this is slightly shippy, but I do have a point. Jack's need for the heart and his choice about the heart is essentially a sacrifice on both levels. I've already mentioned that his sacrifice would mean that he looses a chance for redemption. But at the same time, if he encourages Will to stab the heart, he'll be sacrificing any chance of a relationship with Elizabeth. He could easily have let Will die, stabbed the heart himself and taken Elizabeth for spoils. But by keeping Will alive, more than likely for Elizabeth's sake, he's essentially making the choice for her. He's admitting that Will is the better man, and indicating that it is in this direction that she ought to go.
Also, the decision regarding Will can't be easy for Jack because he knows how it will impact Elizabeth. Though Will won't be dead, he'll be immortal, while she is mortal. So I think we'll see an incredible ammount of remorse and empathy. The scene will I think, humanize all the characters again, and emphasize how much they all care about each other.