Putting it all together...spoilers

Well, if we can trust wikipedia (which we often can't), the Black Pearl was the Wicked Wench and Jack at some point in his life freed 100 slaves and was branded a pirate and left some kind of mark on Beckett. Labeled a pirate, he needed a ship and somehow met Jones who brought back the ship for him. What if somehow Beckett's mark is connected to the sinking of the Wicked Wench? Like he was on it when it sunk or the mast fell on him or something.

"Ok, so character sacrifices. Who wants to try their hand at Elizabeth? Or Barbossa for that matter. You should maybe mention something about sacrifice, but you could also talk about what might be motivating their character through AWE. That might make Barbossa's character a little easier to examine."----------------savvysparrow.

It's going to be very hard to talk about Elizabeth without going into a shipping war again, so I think I'll take Barbossa. What will he sacrifice? Well, there has to be a price for having a second chance at life and it's already come in going to the ends of the earth after a guy he hates and a ship he thinks is rightfully his. We can guess from the trailer that if he does try anything mutinous again with Jack, it doesn't happen first thing, so in a sense, he is sacrificing his free will. I'm sure if Tia can bring him to life, she can kill him fairly easily. Remember he lived 10 years as one of the undead. He's not going to be used to feeling physical pain. The concept of being vulnerable to death is still fairly new to him. So he's not going to be able to do whatever he wants anymore. Combine that with sailing with Will, Liz, and Gibbs who are going to be watching him like hawks, he's going to be sacrificing his free will quite a bit.

Part of his motivation of going after Jack and fighting with the pirates will probably be that he feels in some way he'll have more freedom, which is what a pirate always wants. You know how a woman always vexes a man? Freedom also always vexes a pirate. I'm sure he plans on getting his own ship if not stealing the Pearl again.

Originally posted by PirateDiva
Maybe she was talking about the way Jack got off the island....Davy and Beckett had something to do with it?

Actually, they're talking about how the Pearl became the fastest ship in the Carribbean, well second fastest. It has nothing to do with how Jack escaped the island. This was actually pre-island and pre-Barbossa.

I think I can do Elizabeth's sacrifices without making it too shippy. I'll work on that and try to get it posted tonight. Who else?

Oh yes...*sniffle* James...I can't bear to do it. Someone else try. *blows nose*

Cuz he sacrifices his life, the ultimate sacrifice...

(Takes POTC hat off and holds it to her heart.)

Beckett is the reason that Jack needed to make a deal with Jones in the first place...he had the Pearl burned...which turned its timbers black...and sunk it to the bottom of the ocean.

Elizabeth sacrifice is not hard to do. I can make that without being a shippy war.

Go for it, Chiki. 😄

Originally posted by Ericadawn
Cuz he sacrifices his life, the ultimate sacrifice...

(Takes POTC hat off and holds it to her heart.)

Beckett is the reason that Jack needed to make a deal with Jones in the first place...he had the Pearl burned...which turned its timbers black...and sunk it to the bottom of the ocean.

Yeah. Beckette was the one who set the pearl on fire. So Jack made a deal with Davy to raise it up from it's depths. Question is, how did that come about?

How did he come across with Davy?

Maybe that's how he knew to go to Tia to find the FD...he'd done it before?

I'm not into discussing spoilers from AWE...but since you guys are..what is going on here...I saw this last summer..saw some of these strumpet scenes where shot in conjunction with DMC...

Yess! I remember all those pictures that came out a while ago like that. Even had pictures of them slapping him.

Jack has a cup in his hand too. In one of them. It looked like one of those cups rappers carry around lol

maybe Gibbs is telling him he can handle the two women while Jack goes in search of his destiny...no shipping here....mates...but hey, this is a free country..in the USA...freedom of speech and all that..so yes, he goes in search of Elizabeth and taking advantage of the opportune moment now that Will is immortal and captian of the FD..

Originally posted by Surreal_44
I think I can do Elizabeth's sacrifices without making it too shippy. I'll work on that and try to get it posted tonight. Who else?

Oh yes...*sniffle* James...I can't bear to do it. Someone else try. *blows nose*

Ha!

It's a tough job, but somebody has to do it. I'll see if I can get it a shot, but I'm not sure if I can do the topic justice. Excuse me, I think I need a moment

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
Yeah. Beckette was the one who set the pearl on fire. So Jack made a deal with Davy to raise it up from it's depths. Question is, how did that come about?

How did he come across with Davy?

Well, in order to attract Jones, you have to be near death. So for Jack to make a deal with Jones, he'd have to be close to death, or maybe other people were....

If the rumors from Wikipedia are to be trusted, Jack had a ship with slaves as cargo when he was the Captain of the Wicked Wench. He refused to deliver the slaves. I would surmise that Beckett ordered the torching of the ship possibly with the cargo and Jack still on it. So, perhaps, Jack made a deal with Davy that involved the rescue of those souls in exchange for his when the time came for it. Or something like that. There is a reason why Jack's soul is worth 100 souls to Davy Jones.

Im gonna give this a whacky shot without thinking. Im just playing around with this.

Elizabeth

It could be possible that Elizabeth sacrifice is for both Will and Jack. Her sacrifice doesn't have to be of that of near death, but in making the decision to stay with neither one of them That could be classified as a sacrifice. She is in love with one and she loves the other, she doesn't want to a burden and come in between their friendship.

She cares about them so much that she wouldn't want either one of them to suffer. She prefers that each one of them would choose their own path and meet a woman that wouldn't make them suffer like she has. To maintain their friendship

To save Will and Jack, she knows that she has to take destiny into her own hands. She then takes the knife from Will that his father handed to him and reaches for the Chest. Will tries to grab Elizabeth to try and stop her. Meanwhile, Jack is on the ground wounded from battle. Elizabeth tried not to look back and see the man whom she vowed to wed cry for her. The waves are crashing madly and waters are acting as if it had a mind of its own. Something had to be done to stop it...

Elizabeth tries to reach for the chest and Davy took notice. Davy grabbed his sword and tried to pierce it into Elizabeth's chest. But it was too late. Elizabeth's hands were covered in blood, soon washed away from the rain. Davy looked on what was left of his broken heart. His heart was no longer broken, but destroyed completely..

There was a strange silence, and the waves seem to be calming down. Elizabeth looked at Davy's body lying on the wet, cold floor. Calypso appears in front of Elizabeth. Her expression was sad yet very calmed. Calypso took a last glimpse of Davy's body, and his shattered heart. She turned back to Elizabeth and questioned her actions. Elizabeth knows what happens after stabbing Davy's heart and took the risk to save her two loves.

Calypso offers a wish to Elizabeth along with the gift of immortality. Elizabeth wishes for the crew's, including Jack and Will, safety and their wounds healed. The wish was granted along with her immortality.

Now Elizabeth sails across the seven seas rescuing the lost souls at sea, and to guide them to Fiddler's Green. Forever, she will watch over the two men who gave her meaning in her life. She sails away while smiling and tries to reach for the horizon.

BLA!!! Kind of sad
But It was so cheesy!!! I told you it was without thinking lol. But I gave it a try lol. Anyone else wanna try?

It's certainly within the realm of possibility Chiki! But yes, rather a downer for the end of film. Certainly, it's bitter sweet. No one said that Elizabeth has to choose a man. Being a thoroughly moderm woman, she may decide that the Sea is her first and only love.

Elizabeth does have to make a sacrifice because she's betrayed two men who are essentially her friends. (trying to keep this from being a ship. I may end up sinking.)

Most of the characters in the film have shown what they're willing to do for Elizabeth. I think all or most of the men in her life are willing to die for her. They've all made that clear at one point or another in the films. So, what can she possibly do to repay that debt?

You could argue that Elizabeth's encouraging Jack to be a good man saves his life. His soul is sort of rotting from the corruption of Piracy, she's almost forced him to face that he is running away from the good man he could be. So in that way, it sort of saves a good soul from condemnation if you will.

You could also argue, judging from the great scene between Norrington and Elizabeth in which she confronts him about his sacrificing his principles for his "honor". Her reminder causes him to reconsider his actions. In that way, she again frees the good man within.

So, I believe she'll have to make some sacrifice during the course of the film but I can't figure out what. Though you could argue that because she has good intentions in encouraging these men to lead good lives that her debt between them is square.

Does that make sense?

And that is a great banner Chiki. The expressions are priceless.

Yeah, it does. Also a little bitter sweet. That was great, savvy!

I used Elizabeth sacrifice without the shipping.

How about using Elizabeth's sacrifice in both ships? E/W and J/E.

How will she sacrifice to save Will? W/E ship.

How will she sacrifice to save Jack? J/E ship.

I actually got a very clear idea for J/E--go figure lol. No but seriously, I do.

With Will is a little tricky because you got the immortality going on, and you have becoming captain so how are we going to play around with that? Should we involve immortality or not?

I can't do it tonight cause I have to sleep to go to work tomorrow.

Bugger.

No, Jack delivered the cargo to Tia's instead...the cargo being slaves...

"People aren't cargo, mate."

You saw them at the end of DMC, mourning over Jack. Then, when the cargo didn't show at its intended destination, most likely Jamaica, Beckett had Jack and the Wench hunted down. My guess would be that he overtook the Wench, had everyone evacuated off it and then made Jack watch as the ship was burned.

Don't you have to dead or dying to make a deal with Jones, though? I'm glad to have the slaves rumor confirmed though. Hehe.

Originally posted by Ericadawn
No, Jack delivered the cargo to Tia's instead...the cargo being slaves...

"People aren't cargo, mate."

You saw them at the end of DMC, mourning over Jack. Then, when the cargo didn't show at its intended destination, most likely Jamaica, Beckett had Jack and the Wench hunted down. My guess would be that he overtook the Wench, had everyone evacuated off it and then made Jack watch as the ship was burned.

Twisted. Beckette is so evil that he turns me on lol kidding.

I figure that the people who were mourning were the slaves that Jack freed.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
I'm not into discussing spoilers from AWE...but since you guys are..what is going on here...I saw this last summer..saw some of these strumpet scenes where shot in conjunction with DMC...

Well, I think to save time and money they were shooting scenes from Awe and DMC at the same time. While it might have been cut from DMC, I suspect not. It's probably in conjunction with the scenes we see with Gibbs walking away with the strumpets and Jack getting slapped. I suspect this scene is towards the end of the film.