Not to be a downer, but he could just be holding his hat and not wearing it.
"maybe Gibbs is telling him he can handle the two women while Jack goes in search of his destiny...no shipping here....mates...but hey, this is a free country..in the USA...freedom of speech and all that..so yes, he goes in search of Elizabeth and taking advantage of the opportune moment now that Will is immortal and captian of the FD.."-----uh, so sorry! I THINK this is lovethemtigers, but I'm not sure.
I will go back to serious analysis in just a little bit. I had my first POTC dream last night and it was very vivid and very exciting, but also incoherent and just plain weird. I hope this is not exactly how AWE turns out.
Life is going pretty poorly for our heroes. My dream kicked in after they had saved Jack and was probably into the 2nd third of the movie. Will's walking around below decks, still with his knife when we hear two familiar voices say "I do." He runs up, but it's too late. Crap! Jack and Liz actually married but it was offscreen. Liz sees Will and runs away in tears. Jack explains she's upset because they're all about to go on an important side-trip.....to rescue her twin sister. Dun dun dun!
Will is even more upset now that Liz has a sister and never told him. This sister's name is Rachel and she was separated from Liz at birth by Beckett, hearing a prophesy these twin girls would be great pirates. So somehow (this is a dream) he sent one of them forward into time, the 1960s to be exact. So the Pearl makes its way to Washington DV in the 60s where we find Rachel is a burned out hippie. They take her back with them and travel to Singapore where Sao Feng is. That's where it ends. Cheesy time travel.
All right, Liz's sacrifice.
I don't think a sacrifice will involve "choosing" a man. The writers have said that who Elizabeth ends up with is not entirely her choice. Actually, Savvy, you wrote something interesting about how (if) Jack helps Will stab the he is essentially 'choosing' Will for her, and I find that a very good interpertation of what the writers have said.
Ok, now onto Elizabeth's sacrifice. For one thing, I think she is going to have to sacrifice part of her life. Fow whatever reason, Elizabeth ends up on the island, alone for the most part (from what I understand). This may be a form of repentence for the part she's played in harming so many men with thoughtless (not entirely selfish and certainly not done with evil-intent) actions.
As Savvy (I believe pointed out), at least four men have shown at one point or another that they are willing to die for her, and I believe that all of them will eventually make that sacrifice for Elizabeth. In a way, she owes Will, Jack, James, and her father their lives.
I don't mean that Elizabeth is being punished for this; I do think that she will ultimately choose to be on that island by herself because she understands finally the enormity of what all these men have been willing to do for her. She can't die to make up for it (and she shouldn't have to), but a self-imposed exile where she can quietly reflect is not entirely a bad thing.
Elizabeth is also going to have to sacrifice her ideals of a happily ever after. Regardless of who she ends up with or for whatever reason, she will have learned that freedom is bought at a heavy price, and people she has cared for will no longer be with her. Understanding and accepting the loss of someone you care for is a form of sacrifice in itself. 😄
What else? It seems to me there's to be some other sacrifice on Liz's part, but I am totally blanking on what it should be. I know it's something obvious.
The other thing I'd add to this is that I don't believe Elizabeth will have to sacrifice her relationship with either Jack or Will, even if she chooses one over the other. Whatever happens in AWE, by the end of the film the trio will be back on the same page, and they will be friends again. 😄
Any thoughts?
By the way, funny dream, Willo. 😄
Ok I have come to play.
Don't you think it a bit ironic that if the 99 souls were slaves and that there are people in the water around Tia's hut who could have been the slaves. Most are in the water and only a few are are on land. So, maybe they were in fact on a burning ship and they were all near death and Jack saved them by making the bargain with DJ. The one's in the water were the ones near death, so they are half out of the water and the ones on land managed to jump ship and never were part of the bargain.
But, in order for all of them to be together, Tia had to intervene somewhere to get all of them to her place. IMO Jack was not on the ship at the time, but was being branded by Beckett at some other location where he couldn't get to the ship until some of them had died, or been near death.
Jack, it seems has had a need to find Tia and get her to use her magic to help him on more than one occasion.
Tia was banished from the water by the Pirate Brethern and can't live on land, hence her in a tree hut over the water.
Hear's another thought. Barbossa says that the Brethern hasn't met in his lifetime, so how long has it been? If not in his lifetime then that's not in Jack's lifetime also. So, how did Jack happen upon Tia or vice versa.
Is she following DJ's exploits?
Originally posted by Surreal_44
All right, Liz's sacrifice.I don't think a sacrifice will involve "choosing" a man. The writers have said that who Elizabeth ends up with is not entirely her choice. Actually, Savvy, you wrote something interesting about how (if) Jack helps Will stab the he is essentially 'choosing' Will for her, and I find that a very good interpertation of what the writers have said.
Ok, now onto Elizabeth's sacrifice. For one thing, I think she is going to have to sacrifice part of her life. Fow whatever reason, Elizabeth ends up on the island, alone for the most part (from what I understand). This may be a form of repentence for the part she's played in harming so many men with thoughtless (not entirely selfish and certainly not done with evil-intent) actions.
As Savvy (I believe pointed out), at least four men have shown at one point or another that they are willing to die for her, and I believe that all of them will eventually make that sacrifice for Elizabeth. In a way, she owes Will, Jack, James, and her father their lives.
I don't mean that Elizabeth is being punished for this; I do think that she will ultimately choose to be on that island by herself because she understands finally the enormity of what all these men have been willing to do for her. She can't die to make up for it (and she shouldn't have to), but a self-imposed exile where she can quietly reflect is not entirely a bad thing.
Elizabeth is also going to have to sacrifice her ideals of a happily ever after. Regardless of who she ends up with or for whatever reason, she will have learned that freedom is bought at a heavy price, and people she has cared for will no longer be with her. Understanding and accepting the loss of someone you care for is a form of sacrifice in itself. 😄
What else? It seems to me there's to be some other sacrifice on Liz's part, but I am totally blanking on what it should be. I know it's something obvious.
The other thing I'd add to this is that I don't believe Elizabeth will have to sacrifice her relationship with either Jack or Will, even if she chooses one over the other. Whatever happens in AWE, by the end of the film the trio will be back on the same page, and they will be friends again. 😄
Any thoughts?
By the way, funny dream, Willo. 😄
I haven't seen it confirmed by the script, but Terry said he'd made it up on Wordplayer so I guess it's canon...
Jack swam down for the Pearl and ending up drowning and that's when Jones appeared...
Which would be ironic in terms of Beckett's death, but I still think Jack was able to talk Jones into a deal without dying and that's how he knew Tia Dalma could find where Jones was.
Originally posted by Surreal_44
All right, Liz's sacrifice.I don't think a sacrifice will involve "choosing" a man. The writers have said that who Elizabeth ends up with is not entirely her choice. Actually, Savvy, you wrote something interesting about how (if) Jack helps Will stab the he is essentially 'choosing' Will for her, and I find that a very good interpertation of what the writers have said.
Ok, now onto Elizabeth's sacrifice. For one thing, I think she is going to have to sacrifice part of her life. Fow whatever reason, Elizabeth ends up on the island, alone for the most part (from what I understand). This may be a form of repentence for the part she's played in harming so many men with thoughtless (not entirely selfish and certainly not done with evil-intent) actions.
As Savvy (I believe pointed out), at least four men have shown at one point or another that they are willing to die for her, and I believe that all of them will eventually make that sacrifice for Elizabeth. In a way, she owes Will, Jack, James, and her father their lives.
I don't mean that Elizabeth is being punished for this; I do think that she will ultimately choose to be on that island by herself because she understands finally the enormity of what all these men have been willing to do for her. She can't die to make up for it (and she shouldn't have to), but a self-imposed exile where she can quietly reflect is not entirely a bad thing.
Elizabeth is also going to have to sacrifice her ideals of a happily ever after. Regardless of who she ends up with or for whatever reason, she will have learned that freedom is bought at a heavy price, and people she has cared for will no longer be with her. Understanding and accepting the loss of someone you care for is a form of sacrifice in itself. 😄
What else? It seems to me there's to be some other sacrifice on Liz's part, but I am totally blanking on what it should be. I know it's something obvious.
The other thing I'd add to this is that I don't believe Elizabeth will have to sacrifice her relationship with either Jack or Will, even if she chooses one over the other. Whatever happens in AWE, by the end of the film the trio will be back on the same page, and they will be friends again. 😄
Any thoughts?
By the way, funny dream, Willo. 😄
I'm sure this may come as something of a shock, but I agree 100% on this post. Fully. Brilliant. You really summed it up well. Love it. 🙂
"I haven't seen it confirmed by the script, but Terry said he'd made it up on Wordplayer so I guess it's canon...
Jack swam down for the Pearl and ending up drowning and that's when Jones appeared..."------ericadawn
Wait. I'm a little confused. I thought your post said you didn't think that Jack was dying when he made the deal with Jones, but here it says that he drowned. So strictly speaking, Jack has died and come back twice? That doesn't seem, well, I was going to say logical, but it doesn't seem like good storytelling. The guy is terrified of dying, hence all the self-preservation and always doing what was best for himself. It doesn't fit if he had already experienced death before we met him in COTBP. Drowning is a particularly nasty way to die, too.
That also takes away from his second death. Sure, it might explain why he's not so afraid of the kraken there at the end, but if he was saved before and if he knows Tia is magic, he shouldn't have been so worried about dying during DMC. Does that make sense? If he had died before, what was the point of writing it so he died again?
My Lizzy theory was similar to Surreal's. Except it's not exactly like paying the price and it doesn't involve James and not even her father. To be honest, I forgot all about her father...oops 😑
This probably won't make sense on what I'm about to say, but according to what Erica is saying, Jack was ordered to transport 99 slaves. Jack refused in doing so and was branded as a pirate. He still took the salves and transported them where Tia lives. Well, not really transporting, just freed them. I guess he met Tia there and Jack was probably hiding from Beckette. It's possible that they got close and all them kinky craby things going on. Told him how to find Davy Jones, and I guess that's how the compass came about.
I think Tia knew that Jack was in huge trouble with Beckette. She sees yor destiny, and also loves to manipulate it. Tia betrayed Jack and I'm not sure how this comes about. If it's like guiding Beckette to get to Jack or handing Jack to Beckette.
Jack: Is me front I'm worried about. DMC
Jack: Four of you tried to kill me in the past... AWE
Beckette and Jack eventually had a battle going on and burned his ship. I have no idea what mark could Jack leave on Beckette....eunichy, snip-snip?
Jack could've been drowning to get to what was left of his pearl and met davy.
I'm just speculating. I wish I had all the sources.
Originally posted by willofthewisp
Wait. I'm a little confused. I thought your post said you didn't think that Jack was dying when he made the deal with Jones, but here it says that he drowned. So strictly speaking, Jack has died and come back twice? That doesn't seem, well, I was going to say logical, but it doesn't seem like good storytelling. The guy is terrified of dying, hence all the self-preservation and always doing what was best for himself. It doesn't fit if he had already experienced death before we met him in COTBP. Drowning is a particularly nasty way to die, too.That also takes away from his second death. Sure, it might explain why he's not so afraid of the kraken there at the end, but if he was saved before and if he knows Tia is magic, he shouldn't have been so worried about dying during DMC. Does that make sense? If he had died before, what was the point of writing it so he died again?
Are you sure it takes away? I think his experience with drowning the first time would make him all the more determined not to do it again. Especially since drowning or nearly drowning is so traumatic. It explains a lot about him, like why he was so motivated to save Elizabeth from that same fate, for instance. And, why it is he'll go to such great lengths to save himself from death. Also, I think it makes the gesture of his coming back to the Pearl to essentially die, all the more noble. It shows how much he's willing to sacrifice for others, and a great change in his character. If he's so terrified of dying and has come so close before, that he returns to the Pearl is a miracle.
I was thinking that since he has an honest streak and knows what it's like to drown, that he would want to spare her of that fate. It's all speculation. No one knows for certain what Jack's backstory really is. I doubt that he actually drowned, but I would surmise that he was fairly close, if the rumors are true.
I could understand if he was close to drowning. What you said would make all the sense in the world if that's how it played out. That one post just was worded in such a way that it implied he had actually died, which is just one time cheating death too many in my opinion. "Oh yeah, I died. Again." But if he was just close, then it makes perfect sense.
And I agree about sparing someone else from drowning. It's not romantic because he didn't know who she was, just that somebody had fallen. But I'm sure in all his time at sea he probably has seen someone drown.