Putting it all together...spoilers

here is another post by LovelyOne describing the Kracken/Vagina....on that same day....7/25/06:

i mean COME ON

JAck and Liz just totally satisfied eachother in that last moment.

Then giant squid/vagina comes along..spews out a load of white crap on to jack and out pops Miss Hat resembling Liz. That basically resembled the massive satisfaction liz just got from him

He then says "not so bad" which was basically saying yeh i got chained up..it wasnt so bad..because I just gave lis one MOTHER of a thrill.

he puts it on (Liz the missing part) and he's finally ready to accept what he wants..then he says "hello beastie" in such a confidence..then jumps in it as if to satisfy it/Liz and satisfy himself too...it all echos what just happened between the two for sure..exept it resembles sex between the two. its like disney saying

"if all the hints/moments wernt enough then HERE YOU GO!"

OMG loool

I don't think that would symbolize--I mean, in the writer's point of view.

Let's not change the subject here about giant vaginas😄 I already took sexual education.

savvy, if you look at the trailer where Lizzie is screaming, put it in slow motion. And you can see how her hair is.

July? That seems so long ago. That's when the movie just came out, too. To LovelyOne (raises glass)! Funny how madness and genius often coincide!

Originally posted by willofthewisp
July? That seems so long ago. That's when the movie just came out, too. To LovelyOne (raises glass)! Funny how madness and genius often coincide!

Originally posted by Minie Mina
OMG loool

I don't think that would symbolize--I mean, in the writer's point of view.

Let's not change the subject here about giant vaginas😄 I already took sexual education.

savvy, if you look at the trailer where Lizzie is screaming, put it in slow motion. And you can see how her hair is.

sorry, I'm a little behind on the post...but I just wanted Surreal to see where that comparison came from since willo had mentioned it..it took some investigating to find it....

Hey and today when I saw the FD vs. the Pearl playset at Walmart..I thought about the Liz/Will kiss...cuz the picture on the toy has the FD being bombarded with waves....and I can't remember now what it said on the back, but I remember thinking...ah, I wonder if this is when the goodbye kiss happens between Will and Lizzie...

Thank you for the recognition, lovethemtigers! Out of curiosity, is that just because you're a Detroit Tigers fan, or is there a PETA thing I'm missing? Just wondering. I saw a Black Pearl playset at a Sam's Club that I thought was super-cool and it came with three toys- Jack, Will, and Davy action figures, and the feminist in me just got riled up. Where's Elizabeth? The best pirate of all of them? Missing? No. Injustice.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
Thank you for the recognition, lovethemtigers! Out of curiosity, is that just because you're a Detroit Tigers fan, or is there a PETA thing I'm missing? Just wondering. I saw a Black Pearl playset at a Sam's Club that I thought was super-cool and it came with three toys- Jack, Will, and Davy action figures, and the feminist in me just got riled up. Where's Elizabeth? The best pirate of all of them? Missing? No. Injustice.

what???...no, I'm not a detroit tigers fan...what do you mean by PETA thing?

I just wondered if you were really into tigers, like an animal rights person. I didn't mean anything by it. I just always found it a unique name. I thought you were a baseball fan. Sorry.

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
sorry, I'm a little behind on the post...but I just wanted Surreal to see where that comparison came from since willo had mentioned it..it took some investigating to find it....

Hey and today when I saw the FD vs. the Pearl playset at Walmart..I thought about the Liz/Will kiss...cuz the picture on the toy has the FD being bombarded with waves....and I can't remember now what it said on the back, but I remember thinking...ah, I wonder if this is when the goodbye kiss happens between Will and Lizzie...

I already pmd her and told her.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I just wondered if you were really into tigers, like an animal rights person. I didn't mean anything by it. I just always found it a unique name. I thought you were a baseball fan. Sorry.

hey I pm'd you back..I was't offended I just didn't know what "peta" meant...i was having a blonde moment 😮

ladies, I'm off to bed.

Gotta work tomorow.

We'll continue with our discussion.

Savvy, I'll continue answering your questions to prevent from getting branded 😉

Night, mates!

Keep ye faith 😄

Originally posted by willofthewisp
July? That seems so long ago. That's when the movie just came out, too. To LovelyOne (raises glass)! Funny how madness and genius often coincide!

Ha! Whatever happened to her by the way? It was like all of the sudden she lost her spark and disappeared. Or maybe she got eaten by the Kracken.

Originally posted by willofthewisp

That makes complete sense. I think it takes more than heartbreak to make someone so bitter and angry they become as sadistic as Davy is. He never wastes an opportunity to make someone suffer even more. He really is the devil of the sea. I think there had to have been a dark side to him in his former life that maybe Calypso saw a little too late and felt jilting him was a way to protect herself. I can't see either of them being completely innocent.

Now that's an interesting theory! So it wasn't necessarily the ripping out of his heart that made the man corrupt, but that he was already on the way to corruption anyway. You may have something there! Ten points to you!

I'll get that of the script for ye, savvy.

About her screaming for Jack.

Me and me mates practice like idiots in a mirror.

It's not James.

She's not gasping for air.

If you opened your mouth--without screaming..Prounce the word JACK as if screaming, then it fits.

There are about 89% that says is Jack. And not even all of them are sparrabethers.

But does she scream for Jack more than once? I haven't heard that anywhere. It is clear though that she screams his name in the trailer, but now I'm interested in what you said, does she scream for him in another scene? I'm curious...

As far as who Elizabeth is screaming for when she's in the water, where would Jack be and why is she in the water? I admit I've only skimmed the leaked scripts for bits with Norrington in them. Is there a part where she's in the water at the same time Jack would be there?

The fact that it's dark and she's wearing a chopstick in her hair makes the timing perfect for her to have fallen into the water at the same time James helps her to escape. Unless they've changed the script drastically, there's no reason for Jack to be anywhere near her at this point.

Also, one has to remember that saying the names and screaming them are two different things. If Elizabeth was to scream for James because she sees him go down in the middle of a battle, the mouth would be elongated in a similar fashion to when you would simply say the name Jack, so that's also something to consider. 😄

Anyway...how would it work then that Elizabeth would be screaming for Jack? I think that this must be before the pirates meet, so how does that fit in with what we know?

Because we know she can't be screaming it during the final battle...supposedly she's never in the water then...

My thought is that maybe it has to do with the crusty Jack image we see. We all know what happens to James (even though some of us don't agree with it. At. all.), but perhaps Jack is also somehow cut down and sent to be a portion of Davy Jones' ship. It's a theory at any rate; the more plausible version is that it's his hallucination.

What crusty Jack image?

See, I know nothing of the first time she could be screaming his name even if he's not there, I haven't heard about it. But what I'm sure is that in the trailer she does scream "Jack", it's pretty obvious. So it has gotta be somwhere during the battle, I still think it's during the big fight.

It looks like Jack, but it flashes so quickly. It's also hard to place where exactly this takes place. I'd like to think she's screaming something that rhymes with Jack, such as "sack" or "whack."

"Now that's an interesting theory! So it wasn't necessarily the ripping out of his heart that made the man corrupt, but that he was already on the way to corruption anyway. You may have something there! Ten points to you!"-----savvysparrow

I just don't like all the comments that Davy is really this nice guy who's just heartbroken and bitter. All that evil doesn't just appear. Think of it more like Anakin in Star Wars. He didn't just all of a sudden become Darth Vader. It was a process and hints to the dark side (no pun intended) of his personality are revealed prior to his change. I think the same has to be true for Davy and possibly what helped drive him and Calypso apart.