Ok, so she figures out Jack's plan. That he's willing to make the sacrifice. So she knows that he's being noble. Whew, that's good news. She knows at least that he cares about her and Will. That's a relief, so Jack's intentions are inherrently good. Whew, and it sounds like they've been that way the entire time.
First of all, I want you to excuse my idiot typos lol. I'm a bit tired but I'm willing to take this baby on 😈
OK. So I think this is some what good for our ship. Because this means that Elizabeth understands Jack's plans. Everything falls into place now. So now she knows that Jack's intentions were to save Will and Liz (as a couple) and for Jack to free Will's father. Meanwhile, Jack will be happy being immortal. 🙄 This is what we know for now and the plan.
So this means that Elizabeth in that scene "Keep telling yourself blah blah" that she didn't suspected Jack doing this to seal Will's fate and take her in his arms (Jack's).
Um, how can I make this more clearer?
OK, I think she may understand on the fate interevenes line. At first she was no, denying it and all once Beckett mentions this. And is now understanding Will's destiny.
Are you following me, savvysparrow?
Originally posted by Minie Mina
First of all, I want you to excuse my idiot typos lol. I'm a bit tired but I'm willing to take this baby on 😈OK. So I think this is some what good for our ship. Because this means that Elizabeth understands Jack's plans. Everything falls into place now. So now she knows that Jack's intentions were to save Will and Liz (as a couple) and for Jack to free Will's father. Meanwhile, Jack will be happy being immortal. 🙄 This is what we know for now and the plan.
So this means that Elizabeth in that scene "Keep telling yourself blah blah" that she didn't suspected Jack doing this to seal Will's fate and take her in his arms (Jack's).
Um, how can I make this more clearer?
OK, I think she may understand on the fate interevenes line. At first she was no, denying it and all once Beckett mentions this. And is now understanding Will's destiny.
Are you following me, savvysparrow?
Let me see if I can repeat it back to you. I think I get what you're saying.
So you're saying that his response of keep telling yourself that darling is to her possibly saying that she never thought for a moment that he was trying to manipulate Will's fate?
Originally posted by savvysparrow
Let me see if I can repeat it back to you. I think I get what you're saying.
So you're saying that his response of keep telling yourself that darling is to her possibly saying that she never thought for a moment that he was trying to manipulate Will's fate?
Not exactly.
Elizabeth saying that is a way of saying that no matter what Jack's purposes was to make himself a hero and win over her heart, that it will never worked out between them. In other words, she doesn't want to accept the fact that she loves Jack (??) and that even though Will is saved because of Jack, that it still won't work out.
So then we have the other famous line:
"Keep telling yourself that, darling"
I like the spanish verision better, though.
"Keep lying to yourself, darling."
Anyways, Elizabeth doesn't want to accept the fact that it was really Jack who saved everyone because he saved Will. Without Will, they wouldn't have won over the EITC.
So Elizabeth doesnt want to accept her feelings towards Jack. (???)
I think that made a little more sense.
Originally posted by savvysparrowThat's what I was thinking about as I read it.IMO the first movie was a good one,the second was a mastepiece.I don't want the third one be worse than the previous two.I mean it's really not only about shipping.I want the characters to improve,and in fact I don't want any of them to be evil or anything like that.I want a great movie even if it has a bittersweet end.
It's not even Sparrabeth that concerns me given all that I've heard. It's that Jack's development as a character sounds as though it's brushed aside. To me, that's more important than the shipping aspect. Does the end fit what the writers did with DMC? Well, all the rumors and spoilers from all the different sources don't seem to match.
Originally posted by MistypirateI think Becket here again manipulates the ones those are present.He's a smart man.He knows how Jack feels.It's probably true what Cutler is saying about him,but Becket just wants to turn Will and Jack aganst each other.He's a great manipulator.
I think she is talking about this 😉
Originally posted by Minie Mina
Not exactly.Elizabeth saying that is a way of saying that no matter what Jack's purposes was to make himself a hero and win over her heart, that it will never worked out between them. In other words, she doesn't want to accept the fact that she loves Jack (??) and that even though Will is saved because of Jack, that it still won't work out.
So then we have the other famous line:
"Keep telling yourself that, darling"
I like the spanish verision better, though.
"Keep [b]lying
to yourself, darling."Anyways, Elizabeth doesn't want to accept the fact that it was really Jack who saved everyone because he saved Will. Without Will, they wouldn't have won over the EITC.
So Elizabeth doesnt want to accept her feelings towards Jack. (???)
I think that made a little more sense. [/B]
So...Jack's plan, as usual, seems self-centered and he seems like he is manipulating everyone for his own advances, but then in the end we discover that everything he does is a way to in fact help everyone else out in the long run.....elizabeth realizes this...she understands now that Jack's purpose all along was to get to the Flying Dutchman and stab the heart, thus, saving Will's Father, Letting Will and Elizabeth be together (cause he cares about them) and thus saving all the Pirates and it prevents Will from having to stab the heart (and losing Elizabeth)..
"it would have never worked out between us"
"keep telling yourself that, Darling"
So. Jack still loves Elizabeth but he is willing to sacrifce his love for her because he believes/knows that Elizabeth and Will love each other and maybe he feels Will is better suited for her, age-wise, career-wise, etc...
So in the end, although, Elizabeth and Will marry and she stands on a beach waiting for him to make land every ten years, we can leave the theatre knowing that Jack was indeed a good man, he loved Elizabeth but made the greater sacrifice. But what of Liz, did she ever love Jack in a romantic way?
Ah well...
That would be really some kind of bittersweet end,that would break my heart because of Jack,but in deed at least he would prove himself a good man.On the other hand i wonder if Elizabeth would be happy that way.I mean she loves will (probably),but if it was said in POTC2 that she longs for freedom,would it be freedom for her to wait for Will always on an island?Would in fact Will w ish to see her live like that if he really loves her?I know sailors are far from their families most of the time,but not that long.What kind of marriage would it be?would they be happy?What do you think?
I really don't like that ending at all. It's not "kickass" as T&T have stated, and it leaves everyone in a much weaker state than they were before. Poor Will. I'd much rather he die than captain the Dutchman. Even if it would a helpful thing for others, it seems like enslavement to fate to me. Poor Liz, I can't stand being separated from my fiance over the summer, let alone 10 years. That's no kind of life for her. Jack? Sorry, it's beautiful that he would sacrifice his own happiness for someone he loved, but he's Jack. Unless the writing is just out of this world, that's going to make him look like a pansy. I just don't want it to end this way. It's like all 3 of them get screwed over.
Exactly....it's not bittersweet....It's just plain old bitter for me...
that's not a kick-ass ending....it's just sad.....If this is how it ends, I will leave the theatre feeling thoroughly cheated of what could have been a great story, a great risk....a chemical explosion.....
I will just leave downhearted....and just feel like the entire trilogy was a total waste....their is no character growth in any of this...
Liz still waiting for her love
Will forever imprisoned on the FD
Jack in search of his beloved Pearl.....
Yuck..I hate it, just simply hate it...
I still think that Jack's plans start out as entirely self-centered, but that gradually changes as he spends more time with those who came to rescue him.
I think the really big thing that makes Jack change is his fight and conversation with Will. I think that's going to be one of the best scenes from the entire film, honestly.
And, really....there's so much slashy subtext that it makes my little heart sing. 😛
I don't believe that will be Jack's end. Things will turn out alright in the end, call it an over arching hunch but a lot of it has to do with what I re-read in the DMC script last night. I went to re-read it because I wanted to find a quote that applied to Jack, and found....oh so much more.
Fact: The writers said that there were not deleted scenes in the film, but rather deleted lines that gave too much about AWE away. And booooyyyy do they give a lot away. For instance, dear William's fate is heavily foreshadowed and other things.