Putting it all together...spoilers

Yay Mina! I'm glad you're here. Ok, so let's talk about the non-shippy things first that I've noticed about the cuts from the DMC script. Mainly, the things that foreshadow dear William's grim fate.

Will: I wager everything I own.

Davy Jones: I only bet what is dearest to a man's heart. Else there's no way to tell whether or not he's bluffing. What a man's willing to risk---that's a measure of his soul.

(Relates to Jack, but I'll get to that in a minute).

Jones:

I remember you are the one who hopes to get married. But your fate is to be married to this ship.

Will:

I chose my own fate

Jones:

Then it wouldn't be fate, would it?

FORESHADOWING anyone?

Given what we know about Will's fate in AWE? I think that pretty much confirms the rumor.

There are other things too, but that's just a taste for now. 🙂

Davy Jones: I only bet what is dearest to a man's heart. Else there's no way to tell whether or not he's bluffing. What a man's willing to risk---that's a measure of his soul.

Jack traded his soul for the pearl to be captain for 13 years.

Here's my a little crazy theory.

OK first, Jack knows how the deal goes. 13 years and then he has to serve him for 100 years. But I know that Jack knows the legend of Davy Jones. He did in fact met Tia Dalma and known her ever since he became a pirate.

So could his plan meant as a bluff? To serve 100 years, that is.

Jack spended 13 years trying to find Barbossa to get his pearl back. After he got his pearl back, you have the famous last line "bring me that horizon" and looking at this compass. (Shippy) Jack sings that song while looking at the compass. I'm not sure if it was pointing to you know who, but to me that shows another adventure. To search the chest of Davy Jones so he won't have to pay his debt (??)

So that's how the vexing started. His compass, well mostly Jack, was having a battle in pointing towards the chest and port royal.

Um, any thoughts? lol

I'm a little confused, can you elaborate on what you mean Mina?

But in the meantime I want to talk about Jack's deal with Jones 13 years ago because there is more to it than meets the eye.

I'll explain it. But you go ahead first on what happened 13 years ago.

13 years ago, to punish Jack for disobeying an order to transport slaves, Beckett sent the Black Pearl to the depths and forced Jack to watch as he did.

That's all good and well, but there's more to the story. I believe that the slaves were still on board. Here's why:

These were lines cut from the script in DMC because they gave too much away.

This is the conversation between Jack and Bootstrap at the beginning of the film

Bootstrap:

And mostly I thought, even the tiniest hope of escaping this fate, I would take it.

Jack:

That's the type of thinking bound to catch his attention.

Keep this in mind when we go to the conversation between Jack and Jones:

Jones:

One soul is not equal to another.

Jack:

So we've established that the proposal is sound in principal. Now we're just haggling over price.

Jones:

As has been the case before, I'm oddly compelled to listen to you.

Jack:

Just how many souls do you think my soul is worth?

Jones:

One hundred souls, three days.

Interesting, no?

Now, let's jump to the scene where we first see the slaves.

Here is the screen play description of the scene:

Flames light the dark shore. A HUNDRED CANDLES held by Men, Women and Children, some standing in water. Eyes stare out. An eerie silent vigil.

A hundred souls, a hundred candles. How many souls is Jack Sparrow's soul worth?

According to Jones a hundred...why, I wonder? Could it be that Jack's deal with Jones was not just to raise the Pearl from the depths, but also to save the slaves? Hence, why he also owes something of a large debt to Tia Dalma?

Omg...you are up to something--

Tia Dalma was the one who ressurected Barbossa...

Right. This is all a bit of old news for me, so what, if anything, did you glean about J/E and W/E from the scripts?

Oi, but I don't want to go shipping right now. This is very interesting. 100 slaves died im the ship, the wicked wench.

So wait! He didn't trade his soul for a ship, it was for the slaves that were in the ship. The ship, how it symbolizes, is freedom. On how much it meant for those slaves to live and be free.

A few things about the compass. Again, probably nothing new to you, but it's new to me.

The Persuade me stage directions for the compass, also not featured in the film. In the film, it never waivers.

Elizabeth moves to the railing. Opens the compass. We see it locked in steady in the direction they are heading.

She glances at Jack, then down....and the compass needle starts to quiver and move...towards Jack. Elizabeth snaps the compass closed. The film makes it a little more ambiguous. You can argue yes that Jack is standing in the direction of the Chest, there fore it's all in her head. But this is a little more clear. It becomes more clear as we continue to the next compass scene.

Isla Cruces:

Elizabeth passes him (Jack), following the Compass. Suddenly the needle swings around the opposite direction. She turns and is facing Jack. The needle swings away, she turns to follow--and it swings back again toward Jack. Frustrated, she sits down.

"This doesn't work...." Etc, etc.

The script is clearer than the movie. They changed it for the film to make it more ambiguous. Who's to argue with that?

There's more too from the script but it takes me a long time to type it out since Adobe doesn't let you copy paste for some unknown reason.

Originally posted by Minie Mina
Oi, but I don't want to go shipping right now. This is very interesting. 100 slaves died im the ship, the wicked wench.

So wait! He didn't trade his soul for a ship, it was for the slaves that were in the ship. The ship, how it symbolizes, is freedom. On how much it meant for those slaves to live and be free.

That's what I'm thinking. I also think it's unusual that they'd leave that backstory out of the book when he's talking with Beckett. Call it a hunch.

To me, it seems as the DMC was written much less amiguous than we see on screen. In the J/E scenes they play up the "lust" part of the J/E relationship. In the screenplay, it's actually much sweeter.
In the stage directions for the Curiousity scene, they stand close to each other but Jack doesn't actually try to kiss her. He touches her hair.

Also, the start to the Curiousity scene is much sweeter, but I don't have the patience to type it up at the moment.

But, enough shipping. Maybe I'll make another thread for this. 🙂

Ha...very good, observation, savvy. Very good indeed. And excuse the idiot typo I made:

100 slaves died im the ship, the wicked wench.

It's in not im lol.

I'm really looking forward to that meeting with Beckett and Jack.

Jack: People aren't cargo, mate.

People will tend to see Jack suffer over a ship, while it burns. It wasn't the ship, it was those people/slaves that were in it.

They think that all Jack wants in life is a ship. He wouldn't trade his life for a ship. There is much more than meets the eye.

I think I've mentioned that about the compass numerous times, and how the director changed it to make it more vague.

Also, I do think that Jack traded his soul for the other people, but I think he also did it for the Pearl because he needed the ship back in order to move them to safety.

Possibly. 😄 It's a fun backstory, but they don't seem to touch too much on it; only to hint at it. I really wish they'd do more back story for everyone in the movies.

wait so are you saying that when jack rescued the 100 slaves he got the ship from the depths for the slaves so that is how the pearl represents freedom becasue of the 100 slaves he saved. If that made any sense?

Originally posted by Surreal_44
I think I've mentioned that about the compass numerous times, and how the director changed it to make it more vague.

Also, I do think that Jack traded his soul for the other people, but I think he also did it for the Pearl because he needed the ship back in order to move them to safety.

Possibly. 😄 It's a fun backstory, but they don't seem to touch too much on it; only to hint at it. I really wish they'd do more back story for everyone in the movies.

Ditto! It'd be fun to have entire movies of back stories! Including James! Let's not forget him 🙂

Originally posted by Surreal_44
Possibly. 😄 It's a fun backstory, but they don't seem to touch too much on it; only to hint at it. I really wish they'd do more back story for everyone in the movies.

Oh, but I do think it's important. Here's why: it softens Jack's character. Think of the writer's quotes about whether Jack is a changed man, or whether his character is revealed.

His character is revealed so that, he does have character. He's self-sacrificing and noble. He's willing to sacrifice his own soul for others, sounding familar?

What is he doing with his plan to stab the heart? It's no just immortality; he's sacrificing his heart for Elizabeth and Will (mainly Elizabeth) to be happy.

So, I do believe the backstory will be very important.

omg i just kinda wrote a fanfic like that sorta. I tried to put in fanfiction but the document page keeps saying errors on the page it is not working.

Ah, it's so hot!! Global Warming is killing us! 😒

Anyways, I want to know so much about Jack. Because there is more to him than meets the eye. They label him as ONLY selfish, rum loving, bed hopping, goofy pirate. And I think that's one of the surprises the writers have in store for us.

i think he only shows that but deep down he is truly the opposite!!!

They should have a life story back story of Jack.

Jack's character has always been rather obvious though, if you think about it. He's always seemed to have everyone's interests at the heart of all his plans. I don't think that the backstory is all that necessary, especially if they want to make it more of a revelation about what Jack's true character is.

Besides, people don't love Jack Sparrow because he's noble and self-sacrificing. That's Will's job, and people detest him for that. People love Jack because he's self-centered, funny, witty, brilliant and yet he has a soft side all at the same time.

That's the draw of Jack Sparrow, and yes, it's awesome that he fought against slavery and he fought the BIG MONEY, but it's not absolutely necessary to know that information to still find Jack Sparrow loveable. 😄

I dissagree. 🙂

That's why I think there should be a backstory. Because a lot of people classify him as just a goofy pirate with a soft spot. But he is so much more than that.

I love his character not exactly because the way he is. I know there is more than meets the eye and people are intrigued to know Jack's past. That's what makes people so attach to him.