Putting it all together...spoilers

Started by jenbojenbojeno126 pages

it's a good impersonater. I thought it was fake and was kinda hoping too because I don't really like it 😛

"more picture everyone, something that we can talk about check it out..."

This first one, uh, Tia has really, REALLY toned arms. I mean, damn. I want Tia arms.

"Look at Jack i think he is pulling the black pearl??"

That would also be my guess. Maybe he's looking for water to get out of the Locker.

"Hmm I wonder what they are looking at??"

Who knows? It's important, though, whatever it is.

I really like the one of 4 of our heroes just leaning along the railing. It seems like a quiet, yet frustrating moment for everyone, and I don't know what Will's doing here. Maybe he's motivating everyone. I just like it. It's like, Hey the gang's all here!

i think jacks expression is very telling when they are all on the railing...

he looks a little bit sullen...

in the picture by the railing..jack looks sullen, kind of sad, and lIz looks pissed...maybe they've just had another j/e moment...and perhaps Jack is sad cuz lizzie still refuses to admit her feelings for him, and she is pissed cus jack keeps pushing the issue with her....

I still love it, though. You hardly see all of them together and now we have a shot of all of them in the same place doing pretty much the same thing...and they have every right to be frustrated.

Originally posted by willofthewisp
I still love it, though. You hardly see all of them together and now we have a shot of all of them in the same place doing pretty much the same thing...and they have every right to be frustrated.

There's a lot of frustration and angst in that picture. None of them have gotten what they wanted.

Also, if you noticed from a certain perspective, by the end of the film, the two people acting as buffers between Jack and Elizabeth have essentially bid them adieu. Jack says good bye to Gibbs at Tortuga. Will becomes immortal.

Will looks as if he found some kind of interesting dust or crum.

Anyways, these characters look frustrated. Alot of angst, like savvysparrow said.

This is a very interesting scene.

Ok, moving on. What shall we talk about today my lovelies? I finished the novelization. I honestly don't think it's that bad. There are some really interesting scenes.

For instance, remember how T+T always said that it was interesting that Will has survived three shipwrecks without drowning?

Why is that, I wonder?

Well, if Calypso bestows upon you her favor, the sailor will have calm seas on which to travel. There's a quote from the book, but I don't have it with me.

In that way, I'm thinking Calypso may have in fact had a hand in Will's "destiny" from when he was a boy.

I've always suspected that Will doesn't have a destiny per se...just that Calypso had chosen him and is manipulating the situations to fit her needs.

It's possible; I've always thought that since she has the power and a flexible moral structure, what's to prevent her from manipulating the situation?

But you do have to admit that compared to the other pirates, he does have the greatest capacity for greatness. He has the blend of cunning and compassion that most of the other characters have, but not quite blended with the same selfless nobility.

So, maybe Calypso's manipulating the situation, or maybe she recognizes his potential for greatness. Certainly, he's proved it 100 times over.

Originally posted by savvysparrow
Ok, moving on. What shall we talk about today my lovelies? I finished the novelization. I honestly don't think it's that bad. There are some really interesting scenes.

For instance, remember how T+T always said that it was interesting that Will has survived three shipwrecks without drowning?

Why is that, I wonder?

Well, if Calypso bestows upon you her favor, the sailor will have calm seas on which to travel. There's a quote from the book, but I don't have it with me.

In that way, I'm thinking Calypso may have in fact had a hand in Will's "destiny" from when he was a boy.

Ever since he was born?

Either if it's destiny or not, which that's what I really think, Will is going to stab the heart. He promised his father that he will and he is a man who keeps his promises.

Well, we know he stabs the heart, and that he becomes Captain of the Flying Dutchman. I'd say less that he has a touch of destiny and more that he's a victim of circumstances beyond his control.

Or, maybe he's been avoiding his destiny all along? He never wanted to turn pirate, but he has a natural knack for it. His wheelings and dealings with Beckett are incredibly vile thing to behold--even if they are tinged with that loveable touch of naivety. I'll post a scene later from the book that demonstrates that.

What I noticed about the book and the cut scenes from DMC is that there is a lot of time centering around choices and the concept of fate. Can a person choose their own destiny, or is fate something that is pre-destined?

Well, from the path of the movie so far, it seems as though fate is pre-destined, but it's what you make of the life that you're given that makes or breaks it (i.e. your choices.)

So, Will becomes the Captain of the Flying Dutchman. What will he do with his new found power and destiny? He can continue with the cruel path that Davy Jones had started, or he can restore the Dutchman to its former purpose. He can blame Elizabeth for all his misfortunes and sacrifice the good portion of himself as Davy Jones blames Calypso, or he can accept that he had as much of a hand in his destiny as she did.

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okay in the novel when bootstrap talks to lizzie he tells her"if he try's and saves me he is losing you" and liz answers him "yes" she says yes like he is laready losing her.

But Will knows that Jack wanst to stab the heart he is letting him remember the plan he and Jack had? So he is not really keeping his promise but of course his destiny will make him keep it but so far in the novel he is letting Jack stab the heart.

Originally posted by jackismyboo
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okay in the novel when bootstrap talks to lizzie he tells her"if he try's and saves me he is losing you" and liz answers him "yes" she says yes like he is laready losing her.

But Will knows that Jack wanst to stab the heart he is letting him remember the plan he and Jack had? So he is not really keeping his promise but of course his destiny will make him keep it but so far in the novel he is letting Jack stab the heart.

The interesting thing about Jack's choice to have Will stab the heart is that it pretty much allows both sides equal glory in terms of heroism in three ways:

1) Will gets a chance at life, since I think we're all pretty clear that he doesn't deserve to die. Since Jack is very clearly terrified of dying, that makes his sacrifice on Will's behalf all the more noble. It's a selfless sacrifice--he has absolutely nothing to gain from it.

What's also clear in the novel is that Jack's choice not to stab the heart will have something to do with his feelings for Elizabeth. In the novel, it states that Elizabeth doesn't understand why it is that he'd make a deal to betray all the pirates, but to save her life. Essentially, that's like saying, he's willing to sacrifice everything and anything to allow her the chance to live. So, his choice to allow Will to live is motivated more than likely because he knows it will make Elizabeth happy at the cost of his own happiness. (Again reiterating the behavior we saw at the end of DMC.)

2) Will gets a chance to be the leader he was born to be. He claims the victory during the battle because the Dutchman turns on the armada and tips the battle toward the Pirates.

3) From all appearances, Will is a hero to his father. He gave up Elizabeth to be a man of his word and I doubt it will be revealed to him that it was Jack who encouraged him to stab the heart.

Well, hmmm...
Will still has control of his destiny. He will stab the heart. But the rest is up to him. Either to repeat the same story that happened to Davy Jones being bitter, or accept Elizabeth's happiness. I know that he loves her deeply, and that her happiness is his happiness too. I believe that what Davy did was more of an obsession than love. I'm not saying that he didn't love Calypso, but it turned into an obsession.

It's all up to Will to choose his path of destiny. Change history. Instead of terrorizing the seven seas, torturing the souls, he will protect the seven seas and rescue the lost souls.

I hope this makes sense.

it makes perfect sense^^

I don't think Davy just suddenly turned evil. There had to be some reason other than Tia just being fickle for her to leave him and I just wonder if it was how obsessive he was becoming. Will doesn't seem to have that. He's maintained his goodness through a lot of times when it would have been easier to just give up and do something wrong. That's a clear personality trait to him that I think will last.

That's why Will still has control of his destiny. Destiny is to stab it, he made that destiny anyways--making his promise to his father.

But the circumstances from what I have heard, Will being wounded near dying, it was destined to stab the heart anyways..

I think we're saying the same thing Mina, which isn't unusual. You've just said it better 🙂

Ok, so what now my friends? There's lots to talk about with the book, but does anyone have any theories, spoilers or rumors to put forth?

Well...how about the ending? Or is it asking too much? lol