Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Just to get things straight:1. Ryu Hayabusa destroys them with the Dragon Sword.
2. Hand 2 Hand Ryu Hayabusa pulls off a valiant effort, but loses in the end to Gill & Urien.Is that the general consensus? If that's it I must say I agree.
I don't really think it's a curbstomp. He is faster than both of them. He is armed. He has got teleportation. He can use Nimpo from a safe distance and or alternate with his teleportation to keep them guessing. And he can withstand an inhuman ammount of damage. Only real problem IMO is Gill's resurrection. But then again Ryu has been resurrected before.
I don't agree with the general idea that he loses even while being armed.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I don't really think it's a curbstomp. He is faster than both of them. He is armed. He has got teleportation. He can use Nimpo from a safe distance and or alternate with his teleportation to keep them guessing. And he can withstand an inhuman ammount of damage. Only real problem IMO is Gill's resurrection. But then again Ryu has been resurrected before.I don't agree with the general idea that he loses even while being armed.
-A bulk of his Ninpo are useless, since gill has the aility to create and un-create Fire & Ice. And, that's what ahaybusa mainly uses, Fire & Ice
-Won't help against a man who has a body that's as hard as iron and can resist contact with magma. Not to mention urien can send an electric charge through haya's katana.
-He can't gain distance with projectiles, because Haya's Ki shots will be reflected by Aegis Reflector.
-Gill can perform an area effecting attack I.E. The Ascension
The only real advantage he has is speed and teleports.
Also, when has hayabusa withstood an inhuman amount of damage?
Every time Ryu falls off a cliff in DOA he does in fact withstand an inhuman ammount of damage, wouldn't you agree?
I agree with Gill probably messing with Ryu's Nimpo & Urien's Aegis reflector, but the AR itself poses no trouble for Ryu since his teleportation will keep him out of the danger of getting cornered.
The boss in the 3rd level of NG had steel and/or iron armor and he still fell to Ryu's TDS. Besides what about the DDB and it's ability to desintegrate people? Or the Unlabored Flawlessness which WILL cause a lot of blunt force trauma.
Will Gill resurrect even if he gets decapitated? Quick Teleport + Flying Swallow/Sparrow(whatever the **** it's called) = Decapitation.
It's debatable whether Urien would actually be able to send the electric charge through the Dragon Sword. Remember the DS is not an ordinary weapon and it was forged out of fangs of the Dragons.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Every time Ryu falls off a cliff in DOA he does in fact withstand an inhuman ammount of damage, wouldn't you agree?
No, since the gameplay of DOA is not really canon, in ninja gaiden a fall like that kills you.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I agree with Gill probably messing with Ryu's Nimpo & Urien's Aegis reflector, but the AR itself poses no trouble for Ryu since his teleportation will keep him out of the danger of getting cornered.
Where is Ryu going to teleport, out of the area? If he teleports out of the area by forum rules he automatically loses.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
The boss in the 3rd level of NG had steel and/or iron armor and he still fell to Ryu's TDS. Besides what about the DDB and it's ability to desintegrate people? Or the Unlabored Flawlessness which WILL cause a lot of blunt force trauma..
When Dynamo survives a blast of molten rock, call me. There is no way his body comes near as solid as uriens. And, hayabusa can't even cut a tank and he's supposed to cut urien who's more durable than that?
I admitt, with the True Dragon Blade he could hurt urien a little, but attacking a guy that can use electric charges with a sword is a dumb idea.
And, for the last time DDB was never canonically weilded by hayabusa. I dunno why people keep bring it up.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Will Gill resurrect even if he gets decapitated? Quick Teleport + Flying Swallow/Sparrow(whatever the **** it's called) = Decapitation.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
It's debatable whether Urien would actually be able to send the electric charge through the Dragon Sword. Remember the DS is not an ordinary weapon and it was forged out of fangs of the Dragons.
Until I heare a source that claims the blade is not made out of metal, I say urien can shock him.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, since the gameplay of DOA is not really canon, in ninja gaiden a fall like that kills you.Where is Ryu going to teleport, out of the area? If he teleports out of the area by forum rules he loses.
When Dynamo survives a blast of molten rock, call me. There is no way his body comes near as solid as uriens. And, hayabisa can't even cut a tank and he's supposed to cut urien who's more durable than that?
I admitt, with the True Dragon Blade he could hurt urien a little, but attacking a guy that can use electric charges with a sword is a dumb idea.
And, for the last time DDB was never canonically weilded by hayabusa. I dunno why people keep bring it up.
Flying swallow sucks though, even the Mechanized Vigoorian Soldiers can block it. And, if he uses flying swallow, gill can just make him eat a projectile.
Until I heare a source that claims the blade is not made out of metal, I say urien can shock him.
Uh...really? Cause I remember jumping off the rooftop where you first met Rachel and land unharmed on the floor. So I don't see why you are using NG as canon and DOA as non canon. It is the same character in both games.
About the teleportation I specifically said it would render the Aegis Reflector corner trick useless. I didn't mention anything about removing himself from the area.
Ok ok. So Urien is as durable as a tank. Would his durability stand up to the power of the Dark Dragon Blade or the Blunt Force trauma of the Unlabored flawlesness?
I am not convinced the electric charge would actually work on the DS, so yeah. Keep fighting the good war. I'm not buying it.
So he never actually picked up the DDB? He did wield it for a short time, and then lost it with the explosion as he escaped the depths of hell with Rachel.
And Gill would react in time to counter the FS because? Given Ryu's speed I say it's very likely Gill won't even see him coming. Specially if it is an attack from behind.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Uh...really? Cause I remember jumping off the rooftop where you first met Rachel and land unharmed on the floor. So I don't see why you are using NG as canon and DOA as non canon. It is the same character in both games.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Ok ok. So Urien is as durable as a tank. Would his durability stand up to the power of the Dark Dragon Blade or the Blunt Force trauma of the Unlabored flawlesness?.
Those weapons are not even in this fight. . .And DDB is not canonically weilded by him.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
So he never actually picked up the DDB? He did wield it for a short time, and then lost it with the explosion as he escaped the depths of hell with Rachel.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
And Gill would react in timeto counter the FS because? Given Ryu's speed I say it's very likely Gill won't even see him coming. Specially if it is an attack from behind.
Yeah, but mechanized soldiers can counter it completely,But gill cannot? your greatly underestimating gills fighting ability.
Do you remember the first NG? The FS was unstoppable in it. In NGB they literally toned down the FS because of Itagaki's obsession with making hard games.
The hans bar was just an example I gave, there are more out there, but since I don't own NGB anymore I can't state them.
I know neither the DDB and UF are not in this fight. I am just mentioning them to know if they would be able to harm Urien.
I agree I might be underestimating Gill, but to be honest right now I see Urien as the bigger threat because of his uber durability.
You mentioned Gill's area super earlier...I think that one's tough but Ryu has evaded village busting blasts before, and Gill does take his time before the super is actually performed.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
Do you remember the first NG? The FS was unstoppable in it. In NGB they literally toned down the FS because of Itagaki's obsession with making hard games.
Originally posted by Superboy PrimeI can't think of one. . .
The hans bar was just an example I gave, there are more out there, but since I don't own NGB anymore I can't state them.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I know neither the DDB and UF are not in this fight. I am just mentioning them to know if they would be able to harm Urien.
Originally posted by Superboy Prime
I agree I might be underestimating Gill, but to be honest right now I see Urien as the bigger threat because of his uber durability.You mentioned Gill's area super earlier...I think that one's tough but Ryu has evaded village busting blasts before, and Gill does take his time before the super is actually performed.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar
No, since the gameplay of DOA is not really canon, in ninja gaiden a fall like that kills you.
He still looses here though.
Originally posted by StyleTime
Hayabusa was actually weaker in Ninja Gaiden since it occurs before DOA. It's not unreasonable that he got strong enough to survive large falls by the time DOA rolls around. Ayane and Kasumi did after all.He still looses here though.
Doa game mechanics don't display what the durability of the characters. Unless you guys believe that everyone can survive several falls from 100 meter peaks. . . =/
I don't feel like responding to all these posts so I'll just respond to this one.
Originally posted by Emperor Ashtar*Ryu drops down from the telephone lines and lands in the Vigoor Empire* Tada!
No, since the gameplay of DOA is not really canon, in ninja gaiden a fall like that kills you.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarHmm let's see Ryu cuts
When Dynamo survives a blast of molten rock, call me. There is no way his body comes near as solid as uriens. And, hayabusa can't even cut a tank and he's supposed to cut urien who's more durable than that?
1. Fiends residing in magma
2. Metallic aircrafts
3. Fiends who can't be penetrated by APFSDS cores
4. The Vigoor Emperor who uses a pit of lava as a platform
5. Futuristic soldiers in high-tech armor.
Might I mention this is what the regular Dragon Sword can do?
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThere was electric energy flowing through the sword when Ryu sliced through an aircraft in DOA4.
I admitt, with the True Dragon Blade he could hurt urien a little, but attacking a guy that can use electric charges with a sword is a dumb idea.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarOh...yeah he has...YouTube video
And, for the last time DDB was never canonically weilded by hayabusa. I dunno why people keep bring it up.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarFlying Swallow is too fast anyways. Plus, that's to make the game harder. There's no way the vigoorian soldiers can block an attack of that sort if it was shown slicing through high-tech metal in FMVs.
Flying swallow sucks though, even the Mechanized Vigoorian Soldiers can block it. And, if he uses flying swallow, gill can just make him eat a projectile.
Originally posted by Emperor AshtarThat wouldn't work for a number of reasons. One is the fact that Hayabusa can amplify his bioelectric energy and blast it at all enemies in the area.
Until I heare a source that claims the blade is not made out of metal, I say urien can shock him.