Official Deathly Hollows Discussion thread.

I am a bit confused about stuff from the book, and was wondering if someone could work through my thinkings (SPOILERS):

The Horocrux task was genuine to kill voldemort and Dumbledore and Snape had this all worked out for years. The Hallows were objects that Dumbelore and his friend were after, yet Voldemort knew nothing of them.
But, did Snape and Dumbledore plan for Harry to get the wand, or was it Snape who would kill Voldemort at the end? Like, what if Drako had not been overcome by Harry, would Snape have done it? I image that Snape heard about the attack on Malfoy house and therefore consulted with Dumblore before putting the plan into action for Harry to find out the way he did.
Harry didn't die because of his mothers protection and because the wand couldn't kill its new master? Could Snape have found Harry, taken the wand and given it to Harry, or could Snape have told Harry to defeat Draco and therefore gain its allegiance?
Could someone actually explain the whole wand thing briefly?

SPOILERS!!!!:

Well, Draco defeated Dumbeldore, by disarming him on top of the tower so he was the owner, then Harry got Dracos own wand at the malfoys meaning both wands were his because he'd defeated Draco now, so the Elder Wand belonged to Harry from the moment he took the wand from Draco.

it touched me{specially the ending chapters} like nuthing has in a long while. i never knew rowling could be so wonderfully spiritual. maybe its just the attachement with the characters since i was little and read the first one. but it kinda feals lonely now that its all done with, like uve lost a friend or sumthing{hah, wonders of silly sentiment}. does any1 else feal like that?

I would probably feel worse if I hadn't stopped reading them for a big chunk in the middle, I only read the 6th one for the 1st time about a week before the 7th one came out. It's quite weird in a way though, I mean, I've aged with him, he's been there since I was 8..

actually i started reading a little while after the second came out. took a while. n then became obsessed like nothing else in the world. i think i was like 11 or 12 when i took it up. n i totally hear you about the aged part. he seems like a part of me even though im like 19 now. {and i ve read each one other than the latest atleast 6 times. n the last one i just finished like an hour ago. heartwrenching stuff. and warm more than anything.}

I read 1, 2 & 3, when they 1st came out.... Stopped until number 5, then read 4 and 5... Stopped until 7, then read 6 and 7.

Originally posted by spidergrl
...- Right now what does Dumbledore mean when he says "After all this time" Does he mean after all this time, you cared about Harry? But then what does that have to do with his doe.. is it that DD realises he got the sword to him.. but DD already knew this, as it was already his instructions for Snape to do this..

Dumbledore told Snape to give the sword to Harry, Dumbledore was already dead, and the sword was always hidden in Hogwarts, behind his portrait, Snape used the Patronus to lead harry to sword because it was the only spell to cacth his attention without giving himself away, the patronus didn't have anything to do with dumbledore's decision to give snape the sword to passed on to harry.
i think his patronus means that that he always loved Lily. I was under the impression that Snape never did a patronus, until that moment, at least Harry says something like that.

Am I the only one who didn't like the book that much, I mean: It was a great book, totally different from all the others

At first I couldn't say it was better than any of the others books, it was unique, it didn't feel like harry potter at all, it was really dark, and creepy, Thrilling and full of action. I just couldn't stop reading with each cliffhanger at the end of almost every chapter. it was great on it's own account, but separated from anything in the series.

I think that's cuz it didn't have hogwarts, but after "Malfoy Mannor" (or even "Gringotts"😉 the book went downwards, Once they get to Hogwarts, it was like first book again, only that many thing happened in a cheesy and fast way, I don't think it was necessary to cram every single character (the good ppl at least) in the ending, everybody was there, even those that died. almost all other chapter prior to the end took long to build and pay off nicely, but the ending was rushed (not to mention the final 3 horcruxes)

Has Jo been watching a lot of anime lately?. Exposition it's needed in these books, (specially kids books), but unnecessary lines of dialogue, and discussions and remembrance among the heat of the battle, it felt like a bad anime show in my head.

going back to exposition: I think the dialogue between voldermort and harry drag on lot, we already understood most of the things harry says to voldermort, why repeated again? to save the problem to explain to everyone why voldermort lost? He could just explained the Hollows and the elder wand, not everything.the same thing happens with dumbledore in "King's Cross", although that was necessary, but I couldn't help to feel a sense of dejavu, Aberforth already explained it, the only thing new was what actually happened when Ariana died. but it was good to see that Dumbledore was Human after all, it shone a new light on him, I think i like him more for that.

Many things were too convenient, I know luck and coincidence can take you only so far, but this one pushed it. what was the deal with Ron conveniently keeping the spare wand he took? was it just coincidence that Harry conveniently end up taking Draco's wand?. the sword of Griffindor appearing from inside the sorting hat, even though Griphook already took it. why even make a duplicate sword, if the real sword will just comeback when needed?

and wassup with Harry acting at times like an immature whining brat? I wanted to punch him, he even got them caught, but I guess that was conveniently necessary too.

Rowling did a great job explaining loose ends, even those that were inherent to to book itself, although I don't, and can't, understand how did James and Lily ended up together?

how funny is this that James was actually the bigger douche bag, what did Lily see in him?
and was the deal with everyone knowing who Aberforth was?, even Percy knew him and Harry didn't.

it was a bit far fetched that Molly was the one to do Bellatrix in, but she calling her a B.Itch was priceless, it made all the crappy "one-liners" at the end of the book worth the trouble reading.

the deaths weren't alL that shocking, but sad nonetheless. hedwig shocked me the most, Harry's reaction toDobby's death was sadder than Dobby actually dying, but Colin was a literal blow to the stomach, even more than Lupin and Tonks. doesn't matter that he is a secondary character, he was just a kid 🙁
Pettigrew's death was pointless, he had to pay his debt to Harry, but having in die in the only page he shows up, makes him, again, pointless.

It was a good book overall, but the ending was way too rushed and crowded, but it certainly paid off. the epilogue was cheesy but a very good and satisfying way to finished the series.
I still consider the 4th book the best, followed by 6th and 7th together.

does anybody else wonder how they're going to make this book work as a movie? it will have to be at least 3 hours long just to make it justice.

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It'll take 3 hours to read your post. jockey

Everytime I read an awesome part in this book(which was almost every chapter) I kept saying to myself, damn the movie of this gonna be friggen awesome. It better be, anyway.

The 7th is easily the best book to me. Easily. Not even close. It was so epic and awesome. Next would come 4 I guess, then 6 then 5, then 3,2,1. Although I would have to say 4,5, and 6 are really kinda tied.

I thought it was great and I would say the best in the series, it wrapped up everything that was left hanging in all the other books which made it necessary to put those "pointless" bits in, because some people need alittle more to, click on.

I loved how it took, what, 2 chapters to actually get to some action. I swear in the other books (they're great reads and everything) but it takes like.. the whole god damn book to get to something like a cliffhanger or some really good murdering 🙂

I think there had to be a book away from Hogwarts, because it lets the ccharacters develop more and thats exactly what we saw. I mean, if Ron had ran away at Hogwarts, you know he couldn't avoid Harry for ever. But with this, it was Ron's own strength as a character to come back to them, which wouldn't have been tested or would have found himself if they weren't outside Hogwarts. And I think it was necessary to put alot/all the characters in.. I mean, this is the last book. Everyone wants to know what happens to everyone. Even if it is a pointless death in one page, people would still ask if she didn't put it in, what ever the hell happened to ....... ! I do agree with you that the last 3 horcruxes were rushed. I got to like 100 pages to go and im thinking.. ok, is he actually going to get the rest. Good cliffhanger.. but rushing.

I actually liked the dialogue between Voldermort and Harry was good, we needed this explaining, there were parts in the speech which had been hinted at through out the movie, but were't really set in stone anywhere.. so to not have this speech, there would be a lot more pages on this forum asking questions. What I was disappointed in was.. the small and pitafull final fight between them. I know, with the wand thing it was the thing that must have happened. But it just seemed like this stupid ass ending to this BRILLIANT series, of fighting and attempted murders.. to have one curse, shot by the same man, kill himself.

That wand thing was a bit of an ???? in my book aswell, although he could have been thinking along the lines of.. Harrys having trouble with his wand/voldermort.. because Ron was around for knowing that Voldermorts wand wasn't working against Harry. BUt agreed, was a bit weird. But I hated the way Ron acted before he left. Now I don't know if thats really good writing on behalf of JK or its just.. what the hell-ness.. and I did think that Harry was acting alittle immature as well, but not as much as Ron in this. He just seemed to powerseeking.. and especially right at the end in Dumbledore's office when he was like "what really" when harry said he was going to throw away the wand. I was like, come off it - you know what power does to your little brain there mate.

The Lily and James thing is weird.. and Harry seems still SOOO proud of his father, when time and time again he is shown what a phrat he was.. to everyone really. Im not saying hate your father, but alittle anger at his father or disappointment would be nice. And also.. after all the years of hating Snape and getting treated shit, as soon as he found out he was in love with harry's mother, all seemed to be forgiven.. that was just a weird snap into reality I found.

I think it was needed for Molly to kill Bellatrix, however I agree that I thought it would be someone like Harry or Neville - in an revenge sort of situation. I hated the thought of Tonks and Lupin dying, I mean they have just made another Harry Potter really - left with no parents. I understand how they wanted to go and fight tho.. I just don't know if I would do the same thing.. Im not trying to back out of it, but they just bought a new life into the world, and then just left it kindof thing. I hated when Doby died.. that was so sad. But truely loved how Harry went out and dug the hole himself.. what a man lol.

The movie will be interesting.. I have ever wondered if they have thought about seriosly making like a 4 hour film.. and then releasing it in two parts or something. I know that sounds like a stupid idea, but how else are they going to do it.. because this book is essential to keep all the information in it. If they miss out some bits, its just totally going to ruin it and confuse the hell out of peoples!

Originally posted by Barker
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It'll take 3 hours to read your post. jockey

Originally posted by The Phantom

Lol, what can I say.. I sat down for a quick reply and.. thats the magic JK works on me 😄

Originally posted by Barker
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It'll take 3 hours to read your post. jockey

it took me 3 hours to write 😄

I thought I give my "review" since this is the official discussion thread, and I got carried away 😉

Originally posted by spidergrl

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I loved how it took, what, 2 chapters to actually get to some action. I swear in the other books (they're great reads and everything) but it takes like.. the whole god damn book to get to something like a cliffhanger or some really good murdering 🙂

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it was a great read, I just couldn't keep the book down. even in the ending (which I didn't like that much). all the lose ends weren't pointless, it just made the book come full circle. It even felt like the whole story, heck, this whole book, was written at the same time as the other. I just thought Wormtail's death didn't do him justice, a little bit more action or story was necessary. he was an important character, seeing him die at the same time he was just mentioned feels pointless. even Hedwig has more "story" to her dead than Pettigrew's, even if she was just in her cage

JK said the alternate title she had was chapter 32. Harry Potter and the Elder Wand. I have a better one. Harry Potter and the Unnecessary Side-Story.

Mates... the book was really good. Different and exciting and the end I could see playing out in front o my eyes sort of. The thing, however, that made me upset or rather pissed was the deaths of Fred, Lupin and Tonks! I mean what the bloody horse dung was that good for!? Fred was really funny and he had a twin... It's such a hard thing for someone to lose his/her twin its like losing a piece of yourself. was Jo thinking on the lines of: " I'll kill off Fred there's a spare so what the heck...!"

Anyway Lupin and Tonks was even more upsetting. I loved Tonks such a pity to see her go after she's just been married to our favourite werewolf for such a short time and they just had a son! They could have been injured or something. They shouldn't have gone, I could be okay with Shacklebolt going (although he's bloody cool) but I felt closer to Tonks and Lupin. That's what I was upset about after finishing the book...

Can't wait to see the battle of Hogwarts on the silver screen.

Originally posted by sith_darth_jay
it took me 3 hours to write 😄

I thought I give my "review" since this is the official discussion thread, and I got carried away 😉

it was a great read, I just couldn't keep the book down. even in the ending (which I didn't like that much). all the lose ends weren't pointless, it just made the book come full circle. It even felt like the whole story, heck, this whole book, was written at the same time as the other. I just thought Wormtail's death didn't do him justice, a little bit more action or story was necessary. he was an important character, seeing him die at the same time he was just mentioned feels pointless. even Hedwig has more "story" to her dead than Pettigrew's, even if she was just in her cage

ONe thing that I had wish she had written better was the whole fight at Hogwarts. Although she might have wrote enough in the chapters, it felt like no pacific detail to any of the fights happening. I mean, Fred just turned up dead really..

Originally posted by DarkC
Can't wait to see the battle of Hogwarts on the silver screen.

QFT

Originally posted by spidergrl
ONe thing that I had wish she had written better was the whole fight at Hogwarts. Although she might have wrote enough in the chapters, it felt like no pacific detail to any of the fights happening. I mean, Fred just turned up dead really..

I know.

Plenty of atlantic detail, though....

🙄.

Originally posted by Soljer
I know.

Plenty of atlantic detail, though....

🙄.