Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love all that."Prisoners have it easy.".
Yes, I'm sure it makes it that much easier being confined for many years, away from freedom, friends and family.
Besides, that's hardly the standard of prisons is it?
-AC
Some should have thought about that when they shot Ol' Johnny Boy in the face. And Johnny Boy won't be seen by friends and family ever again... but Big Road Dog will...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I love all that."Prisoners have it easy.".
Yes, I'm sure it makes it that much easier being confined for many years, away from freedom, friends and family.
Besides, that's hardly the standard of prisons is it?
-AC
its not so much "having it easy" thats the problem...look at te things that prisoners are supplied with that costs me and you money...the main examples being snooker and pool tables...gym facilities...some even get playstations at a subsidised cost
surely they need some kind on incentive not to go back to prison...and i dont think facilities like that help.
Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.
-FO!!
Originally posted by Flame On!!
Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.-FO!!
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Originally posted by Flame On!!
Treating prisoners like people does no one harm if the aim is rehabilitation. It's likely prisons such as the one highlighted will be less violent inside and who knows perhaps the burden of repair cost where purposeful damage has been caused will be reduced. I think your average prisoner will think twice about rubbing his faeces around his "cell" if it looks like a less like a cell. As AC said they are still "prisoners" with "freedom" denied. I thought that was the punishment, not being dehumanised.-FO!!
i hardly think that not giving them luxuries is dehumanising them though is it? perhaps it stops the boredom and thus the prepensity for violence in the prison but then if some thought were put into other methods that rehabilitation wise, were more constructive. then that too would stop the outbursts that many prisons saw in the 80's.
the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.
the best programme i've seen employed in prisons was the drug programmes to get many offenders off heroin...the irony was that some prisoners were due for release before they finished the programme and begged to be kept in prison otherwise they would go back to drug abuse and the offending to fund it...despite that they were released...
to bad prisoners still have to worry about the gang hierarcy which rules prison life. Sure that prison is up to date and looks fairly pretty, but the bottom feading criminals that will fill it's walls will still make it undesirable to be in prison. Which it should be. It doesnt matter how comforting your prison cell is, it is still prison. The thing that makes prison prison is not brick cells, but the fact that you have your freedom stripped away
Originally posted by jaden101
the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.
I agree in the U.K. overcrowding is a joke and many prisoners should be punished in other ways. Prison is about the removal of liberty. That's what prisoner and prisoner means.
Word History: The word prison can be traced back to the Latin word prnsi, "the action or power of making an arrest." This in turn is derived from the verb prehendere or prndere, which meant "to take hold of, take into custody, arrest." Prnsi then surfaces in the Old French of the 12th century with the form prison and the senses "capture" and "place of imprisonment." This new sense could have already been developed in Latin and not been recorded, but we have to wait until the 12th century to see it, the sense "captivity" being added in the same century. From Old French as well as the Medieval Latin word priso, "prison," derived from Old French, came our Middle English word prisoun, first recorded in a work written before 1121 in the sense "imprisonment." The sense "place of imprisonment" is recorded shortly afterward in a text copied down before 1225 but perhaps actually written in the Old English period before the Norman Conquest.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/prison
Discussion over.
-FO!!
Originally posted by ragesRemorse
to bad prisoners still have to worry about the gang hierarcy which rules prison life. Sure that prison is up to date and looks fairly pretty, but the bottom feading criminals that will fill it's walls will still make it undesirable to be in prison. Which it should be. It doesnt matter how comforting your prison cell is, it is still prison. The thing that makes prison prison is not brick cells, but the fact that you have your freedom stripped away
He's playing freaking table tennis! Who gives a damn about gang hierachy when there is table tennis? You gotta get ready for the tournament! 🤣