Originally posted by jaden101
i hardly think that not giving them luxuries is dehumanising them though is it? perhaps it stops the boredom and thus the prepensity for violence in the prison but then if some thought were put into other methods that rehabilitation wise, were more constructive. then that too would stop the outbursts that many prisons saw in the 80's.the detention part is more for society than it is the punishment for the prisoner...hence the uproar that many offenders are now being "punished" in the community...ala with electronic tags and community service orders.
the best programme i've seen employed in prisons was the drug programmes to get many offenders off heroin...the irony was that some prisoners were due for release before they finished the programme and begged to be kept in prison otherwise they would go back to drug abuse and the offending to fund it...despite that they were released...
I agree.
Not giving them luxuries is not dehumanising them. Most of those guys in there probably never lived like that a day of their life. That would probably be the best they will ever too. I read an article a while back that some people are so use to being in jail that they actually commit crimes to go back because they can't handle the life on the outside. Like I said before, these guys look like they live better the most people who actually bust their ass to make a living.
Originally posted by JaehSkywalker
it is still a prison.
Nobody (At Least I'm Not) is saying it isn't.
But you have to think about someone who tortures kids manipulating prison officials into thinking he's a changed man and gets moved to the new building where he can play Playstation 2, Xbox, Watch TV, Go Swimming Have and Tennis Tournaments. Then he gets out and get caught 2 years later doing the same thing he got put in for...
I'm not saying all those guys are that bad but people can be very manipulative.
Prison should be about realizing what 'you' did wrong and being rehabilitated [if possible], it shouldn't be luxuriously comfortable... Things like table tennis, in-room televisions and video games are little more than rewards for those not deserving rewards.
The money spent on the fancy tables, beds, televisions, game counsels etc. should have been spent on (more) education, counseling and skill [job] proficiencies.
Originally posted by Ana PBut you have to think about someone who tortures kids manipulating prison officials into thinking he's a changed man and gets moved to the new building where he can play Playstation 2, Xbox, Watch TV, Go Swimming Have and Tennis Tournaments. Then he gets out and get caught 2 years later doing the same thing he got put in for...
I'm not saying all those guys are that bad but people can be very manipulative.
So which bit is the bad bit? The playing Xbox, or the doing it again?
Or did you just tack two arguments together?
Originally posted by Ana P
Some should have thought about that when they shot Ol' Johnny Boy in the face. And Johnny Boy won't be seen by friends and family ever again... but Big Road Dog will...
Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.
If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?
-AC
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
So which bit is the bad bit? The playing Xbox, or the doing it again?Or did you just tack two arguments together?
Kinda missed the point...
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Then that implies a flaw in the prison SYSTEM. It has nothing to do with the actual buildings.If they're stuck in the place forever, why does it matter what they do in there?
-AC
I didn't say there was anything wrong with the buildings.
If anything I'm implying that there is something wrong with the system.
That has got to be the WORST prison ever made.
All the inmate has to do is break a window and he escapes...
...then again, who would want to escape sucha a nice looking building?
Not only that...but when you think about it...the State is been an ass-hole here...hard working people who get up early in the morning to work for 12hrs a day..to put food on the table and have to live in a shitty apartment complex...because they can't afford a nice looking building get the short end of the stick . Whereas these miserable criminal scumbags get to live there?
Damn! Something is wrong here with the state. How about building that kind of architeture for the proletariats whom supplying capital for society and not for the vice?
But not all is at it may seem....I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this kind of prison is for those rich folks who broke the law and their lawyers made a bargain with the judge. Rich folks can afford justice.
Originally posted by King Nothing
Making a prison like that is absolutely unnecessary. It's supposed to be a place to suffer for your crimes and take time to think about how to avoid the same bad decisions, not live it up like movie star.
Its still prison. No matter the surroundings, the peeople populating the comforting surroundings are still prisoners. They will make life undesirable. Criminals dont know how to function in society in a civilized manner. every prisons society is that of a criminal gang hierarcy. No prison is is a desirable place to be. It is like going through the ghetto of a city. It doesnt matter what city you are visiting, every ghetto looks the same. Poverty stricken people whom leach off of the government for their living needs and have no respect for their surroundings dont know how to maintain a flourishing community. all they know is trash littered streets, with drug infested neighbors who turn to crime as their lifestyle.
If you give a poor community wealth, they will turn the wealth into trash. The same thing goes for prisoners. You have to realize self respect, and you have to earn the better things in life to appreciate them. Just because the better things in life are given to you doesnt mean you know how to appreciate them. I would be more concerned about where the money to fund this prison came from. I could care less about the actuall furnishings. why would you? The prisoners will not know how to appreciate these things
However, if this new prison facility is able to help a few prisoners rehabilitate themselves and become functional citizens of society, isnt that worth it?
Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Maybe because there wasn't one.Unless you'd like to enlighten us?
Who is "us"
You're the only one asking.
I'm just saying people will abush the system. They might protend they've changed only to live luxurious during there stay in prison only to go out and do the same thing they got put in for.
Some people do that. Some people can't handle life outside of a prison and do things to get themselves back in. And this isn't helping that.
Originally posted by Ana P
Who is "us"You're the only one asking.
I'm just saying people will abush the system. They might protend they've changed only to live luxurious during there stay in prison only to go out and do the same thing they got put in for.
Some people do that. Some people can't handle life outside of a prison and do things to get themselves back in. And this isn't helping that.
You're talking crap.
You claimed 'child torturers' will pretend they've changed, move there, play Xbox, then go out and do it again.
That's not going to happen, is it? What does any of this have to do with a 'luxurious' prison?
It's clearly just a hysterical thought you vomited up because you don't like the idea of this building.
Originally posted by WrathfulDwarf
That has got to be the WORST prison ever made.All the inmate has to do is break a window and he escapes...
...then again, who would want to escape sucha a nice looking building?
Not only that...but when you think about it...the State is been an ass-hole here...hard working people who get up early in the morning to work for 12hrs a day..to put food on the table and have to live in a shitty apartment complex...because they can't afford a nice looking building get the short end of the stick . Whereas these miserable criminal scumbags get to live there?
Damn! Something is wrong here with the state. How about building that kind of architeture for the proletariats whom supplying capital for society and not for the vice?
But not all is at it may seem....I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that this kind of prison is for those rich folks who broke the law and their lawyers made a bargain with the judge. Rich folks can afford justice.
How about we keep in mind that it's still a prison? Would that be ok? I'd live in a shitty apartment with all the freedoms of...well...freedom, than in a really nice prison for multiple years, possibly for good.
Would you choose that prison over a shitty apartment? No, don't act like you would.
-AC