Darkseid vs The Silver surfer

Originally posted by UniOmni
Too bad it took a better debator than you to do it.

And that's not being owned.

That's being corrected.

Owned, is what would happen if Nvr or BW or Trickster Priest or most people from KMC, went to SHC to debate.

That'd be an owning the likes of which haven't been seen yet on KMC.

Lurk over there some more Vally, and see how everybody gets in the ass of Penis101.

It'd be like that, but worse since Darkseid isn't as beloved over there.

Btw I dare you to log on to cbr and debate like that. You would be banned in a second. Why you ask, because you bash a character you dislike rather than provide logical information. Read the damn rules.

Originally posted by starking
Can you actually provide plausible reasons for why you think Darkseid is overated than to bash him and troll your ass off. All the feats provided for Darkseid are 95% true yet you can't comprehend that.

Darkseid has hardly been debated here in this thread. Or any other recent Darkseid related thread.

People bring up GDS feats.......

Guess what? The Legions continuity was wiped after Zero Hour.

GDS = Didn't quite happen.

People are saying that Darkseid absorbs abstracts powers, and sups on Godforce at will.

This hasn't been the case in years.

His best feat thus far, is him hurting the Am with his OE. Bigtime feat truely.

But the Darkseid that's been debated hasn't shown up in comics ever.

You wanna talk about Darkseid at his original levels?!

Trust me, you don't.

Darkseid in comics, is pretty much a slightly above the top tier Dr. Doom with a highpowered plot device attack, that's pretty much bred to fail because of its nature and the nature of the comic industry.

I don't hate Darkseid.

I do hate people who lie and mislead those who aren't aware of the context of showings to hype up characters.

Nvr - Darkseid trapped Ares with the Godwave!! Odin would be squashed in the same situation..........Never mentioning to those that didn't know, that he did it with tech.

BW - Darkseid is beyond a multiversal character, and as TRUE DARKSEID, is on par with Galactus!!

Lies.

That's my problem.

And anyplace that breeds tripe like CBR Surfer, isn't a place to be envied or touted.

Originally posted by UniOmni
Darkseid has hardly been debated here in this thread. Or any other recent Darkseid related thread.

People bring up GDS feats.......

Guess what? The Legions continuity was wiped after Zero Hour.

GDS = Didn't quite happen.

People are saying that Darkseid absorbs abstracts powers, and sups on Godforce at will.

This hasn't been the case in years.

His best feat thus far, is him hurting the Am with his OE. Bigtime feat truely.

But the Darkseid that's been debated hasn't shown up in comics ever.

You wanna talk about Darkseid at his original levels?!

Trust me, you don't.

Darkseid in comics, is pretty much a slightly above the top tier Dr. Doom with a highpowered plot device attack, that's pretty much bred to fail because of its nature and the nature of the comic industry.

I don't hate Darkseid.

I do hate people who lie and mislead those who aren't aware of the context of showings to hype up characters.

Nvr - Darkseid trapped Ares with the Godwave!! Odin would be squashed in the same situation..........Never mentioning to those that didn't know, that he did it with tech.

BW - Darkseid is beyond a multiversal character, and as TRUE DARKSEID, is on par with Galactus!!

Lies.

That's my problem.

And anyplace that breeds tripe like CBR Surfer, isn't a place to be envied or touted.

First of all, You dont' know that DS uses tech only to channel his powers right? He did the very same thing with the AM. It was no different than Ares. You also realize that Takion who was holding Ares at bay is weaker than DS. So it doesn't matter if DS used tech or not, DS personal power lvls are greater than Takion's and THus it's in his power to Do what he did with Tech. More than Likely the Tech was implemented as a trap to catch ares off guard.

True DS created stayne in his abstract form. He was made of the cosmos and formed one of the most powerful beings in comics. DS also has the feat of Hurting the Imperiex. That happened recently. It doesn't matter anyway. You'll probably shit your self after countdown happens. And you'll feel very small. Becuz DS is the major player behind a cosmic Event.

See Nvr, this is when the Hdcle seems so fitting.

As i already mentioned, i don't hate Darkseid. Never did.

I dislike the way he's lied about tho, as if he's not a good enough character on his own merits.

If Grant Morrison said that Darkseid was the son of Lucifer, and heir to the Creation of the Presence, i'd shrug and say go kirby.

But if he gets a powerup, a permanent one that is, i'll call bs and walk away. Not because it's Uxas getting a powerup.

But because its a cheap and lazy ploy to get characters where you want them to be, without working outside the box.

See what happened with Kalibak in the recent Firestorm issue, and imagine that happening to Darkseid. It's cheap.

Stayne is powerful true. Or was, depending on her status.

But she's not one of the most powerful beings in comics. She's an above the top tier.

Originally posted by UniOmni
See Nvr, this is when the Hdcle seems so fitting.

As i already mentioned, i don't hate Darkseid. Never did.

I dislike the way he's lied about tho, as if he's not a good enough character on his own merits.

If Grant Morrison said that Darkseid was the son of Lucifer, and heir to the Creation of the Presence, i'd shrug and say go kirby.

But if he gets a powerup, a permanent one that is, i'll call bs and walk away. Not because it's Uxas getting a powerup.

But because its a cheap and lazy ploy to get characters where you want them to be, without working outside the box.

See what happened with Kalibak in the recent Firestorm issue, and imagine that happening to Darkseid. It's cheap.

Stayne is powerful true. Or was, depending on her status.

But she's not one of the most powerful beings in comics. She's an above the top tier.

An Above the Top Tier? You think Thanos could hang with Stayne? Or Takion?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Darkseid has hardly been debated here in this thread. Or any other recent Darkseid related thread.

People bring up GDS feats.......

Guess what? The Legions continuity was wiped after Zero Hour.

GDS = Didn't quite happen.

People are saying that Darkseid absorbs abstracts powers, and sups on Godforce at will.

This hasn't been the case in years.

His best feat thus far, is him hurting the Am with his OE. Bigtime feat truely.

But the Darkseid that's been debated hasn't shown up in comics ever.

You wanna talk about Darkseid at his original levels?!

Trust me, you don't.

Darkseid in comics, is pretty much a slightly above the top tier Dr. Doom with a highpowered plot device attack, that's pretty much bred to fail because of its nature and the nature of the comic industry.

I don't hate Darkseid.

I do hate people who lie and mislead those who aren't aware of the context of showings to hype up characters.

Nvr - Darkseid trapped Ares with the Godwave!! Odin would be squashed in the same situation..........Never mentioning to those that didn't know, that he did it with tech.

BW - Darkseid is beyond a multiversal character, and as TRUE DARKSEID, is on par with Galactus!!

Lies.

That's my problem.

And anyplace that breeds tripe like CBR Surfer, isn't a place to be envied or touted.

Possibly.

He'd likely be on the losing side, but he's taken on too many tried and trues to be squashed like a bug here.

Do you think Infinityman could take Stayne or Takion?

Originally posted by UniOmni
Possibly.

He'd likely be on the losing side, but he's taken on too many tried and trues to be squashed like a bug here.

Do you think Infinityman could take Stayne or Takion?

Originally posted by starking
Omg you dont know jack you really think Doom is on par with Darkseid? And just because Losh continuality was changed, doesn't mean Darkseid's feats should be dissmissed. While it was changed that doesnt mean he cant those things anymore. Do you have evidence? No. It seems like your finding reasons to put Darkseid down.

I swear you must be ten.

Darkseid, i said is a like a slightly above the top tier version of Dr. Doom with an ultimate attack thats almost always going to be thwarted.

He's a major schemer, and planner....(Doom's better tho)
He's brilliant, and hates to dirty himself fighting those beneath him(Doom's better here too........doesn't hide in barnhouses)
He thinks what he's doing is actually for the better good of everyone else, but isn't a hypocrite either. Straddles a fine line, he does.

The things that differ?
He's a brute type, not in conception but in evolution.
He's got an ultimate attack, but seems to be better off not using it at all.

To the LOSH thing...........IF IT WAS RETCONNED, THEN IT'D BE STUPID TO COUNT THE FEATS AT ALL!!

You wanna go this route, Odin went crazy and began to destroy the universe entirely.

But, logic dictates that we don't go this route. Why? Because it makes the retcon useless.

Go away.

I tell you one thing that wasn't retconned, Highfather, Odin, Zeus, Jove, and The powerful Ares had to combine into one being just to fight DS. Now that says something.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
No. Infinity Man would have his ass handed to him. Takion and stayne were doing shit like turning each other into antimatter so that they would be destroyed and creating shields strong enough to over come the matter antimatter clash. They literally can do anything they want. Infinity Man is the creme of the crop above the top tier. Right there with Thanos. But he's not messing with either of those two. I Think that you gotta be Tyrant To pose a threat to either one. Someone who can do the stuff but with greater experience. Odin can take a few wins against them as well. But most def Tyrant full powered is what you need to give them a real fight. I think Big G full powered wins squarely against either of them.

So wait.

Odin can take a few?

Did they do anything that screams they'd survive galactic level explosions?

Big G is required to beat them everytime?

How powerful do you think Darkseid is actually, Nvr?

Cuz if the antimatter thing is all, Blackbolt has been manipulating that for some time iirc.

He's not an above the top tier.

Heck, earlier today people were saying he's not even a high herald leveler.

Originally posted by UniOmni
So wait.

Odin can take a few?

Did they do anything that screams they'd survive galactic level explosions?

Big G is required to beat them everytime?

How powerful do you think Darkseid is actually, Nvr?

Cuz if the antimatter thing is all, Blackbolt has been manipulating that for some time iirc.

He's not an above the top tier.

Heck, earlier today people were saying he's not even a high herald leveler.

K first off, Anti matter in the DCU isn't something that can be manipulated in the matter universe. The Two can't even be in the same wrealm. They exist as opposites.

As far as DS power lvl. It is very funny becuz most writers don't do thier home work on DS.

He can create avatars who are only a fraction of his might who most often Beat Top tiers with Ease.

His true form shook the Cosmos in locked battle with Highfather. He Beat the time trapper and mordrue. Retcons Dont' affect DS. So even if GDS didn't happen to the legion, DS has shown time and again that Retcons do not affect him. SO his feats still stand. ALso in GDS, the younger DS was more powerful than the older.

DS has the problem of bad writers who dont' do their homework. Grant Morrison seems to be the only one who did anykind of homework. The funny thing about Grant's story is that Mr. Miracle mentions DS's feats in Firestorm.

DS suffers from the same shit that befalls the great galactus. Dumb ass writers doing all kinds of screwy stuff messing up kirby's creations.

DS is Entity lvl. More powerful than Skyfather but below abstract. Tho Him creating stayne as a giant cosmic hand makes me wonder.

One more thing, in the Cosmic Odessy, The ALE being destroyed an entire solar system when one of it's lil ale thingys got out. When It happened again. It knocked the Demon out and ****ed him up, and DS was only slightly fazed. So superman Actually being able to Hurt DS is rediculous PIS and CIS.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
K first off, Anti matter in the DCU isn't something that can be manipulated in the matter universe.

But he's also somewhat of an anomaly in that department, (a mixture of normal matter and anti-matter within a singular being).

I tell you one thing that wasn't retconned, Highfather, Odin, Zeus, Jove, and The powerful Ares had to combine into one being just to fight DS. Now that says something.

I've never heard of this.

When did it happen and what circumstances were involved?

After all, DS and Izaiya are supposed to be equals, correct?

Originally posted by Nikkolas
I've never heard of this.

When did it happen and what circumstances were involved?

After all, DS and Izaiya are supposed to be equals, correct?

You know that funny lil thing that DS does? When he kills pantheons of Gods and absorbs thier powers into his own?

Originally posted by UniOmni
I swear you must be ten.

Darkseid, i said is a like a slightly above the top tier version of Dr. Doom with an ultimate attack thats almost always going to be thwarted.

He's a major schemer, and planner....(Doom's better tho)
He's brilliant, and hates to dirty himself fighting those beneath him(Doom's better here too........doesn't hide in barnhouses)
He thinks what he's doing is actually for the better good of everyone else, but isn't a hypocrite either. Straddles a fine line, he does.

The things that differ?
He's a brute type, not in conception but in evolution.
He's got an ultimate attack, but seems to be better off not using it at all.

To the LOSH thing...........IF IT WAS RETCONNED, THEN IT'D BE STUPID TO COUNT THE FEATS AT ALL!!

You wanna go this route, Odin went crazy and began to destroy the universe entirely.

But, logic dictates that we don't go this route. Why? Because it makes the retcon useless.

Go away.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
K first off, Anti matter in the DCU isn't something that can be manipulated in the matter universe. The Two can't even be in the same wrealm. They exist as opposites.

As far as DS power lvl. It is very funny becuz most writers don't do thier home work on DS.

He can create avatars who are only a fraction of his might who most often Beat Top tiers with Ease.

His true form shook the Cosmos in locked battle with Highfather. He Beat the time trapper and mordrue. Retcons Dont' affect DS. So even if GDS didn't happen to the legion, DS has shown time and again that Retcons do not affect him. SO his feats still stand. ALso in GDS, the younger DS was more powerful than the older.

DS has the problem of bad writers who dont' do their homework. Grant Morrison seems to be the only one who did anykind of homework. The funny thing about Grant's story is that Mr. Miracle mentions DS's feats in Firestorm.

DS suffers from the same shit that befalls the great galactus. Dumb ass writers doing all kinds of screwy stuff messing up kirby's creations.

DS is Entity lvl. More powerful than Skyfather but below abstract. Tho Him creating stayne as a giant cosmic hand makes me wonder.

One more thing, in the Cosmic Odessy, The ALE being destroyed an entire solar system when one of it's lil ale thingys got out. When It happened again. It knocked the Demon out and ****ed him up, and DS was only slightly fazed. So superman Actually being able to Hurt DS is rediculous PIS and CIS.

I didn't agree with much, if anything in your post, but we agreed to disagree a while back, so ehh.

What i will say, is that even if you don't like the showing, it still makes up the average.

Surfer/Thor/Superman/Cap Marvel/whoever having lows and highs, and mids is all part of being a character who can and will be written by many different people who have different takes on the character in play.

You don't like the way so and so writes New God mythos, fine.

You have to accept that it happened, and factors into their average tho.

We can't pick and choose showings.

And i really wanna contest the whole Darkseid being above retcons thing, but i'll let it stand for now.

Just know this.
You say Darkseid is above retcons?
That means that you okay Hunter and Prey Doomsday beating and almost killing him.

Your words, not mine 😮

Kthxbye

Originally posted by starking
Just because the Losh was retconned doesnt mean Darkseids power was as well. Yeah his encounter with the Legion never happened but that doesnt discount what happened during gds. The story was removed from Legion history but that theres no evidence proving that DS lacks the powerlevel to do such feats. And in some way Gds still happened it was in Dc continuality, It wasnt a elseworld tale or a crossover it just got retconned. Btw you seem to know little about Ds's abilities He's more than a brick, he has telepathy and various energy manipulation abilities. Plus you agreed that Stayne and Takion are on par with Thanos and created them.

You're one of the worst debators i've seen yet. And that says alot considering who we've had run through here.

Originally posted by UniOmni
I didn't agree with much, if anything in your post, but we agreed to disagree a while back, so ehh.

What i will say, is that even if you don't like the showing, it still makes up the average.

Surfer/Thor/Superman/Cap Marvel/whoever having lows and highs, and mids is all part of being a character who can and will be written by many different people who have different takes on the character in play.

You don't like the way so and so writes New God mythos, fine.

You have to accept that it happened, and factors into their average tho.

We can't pick and choose showings.

And i really wanna contest the whole Darkseid being above retcons thing, but i'll let it stand for now.

Just now this.
You say Darkseid is above retcons?
That means that you okay Hunter and Prey Doomsday beating and almost killing him.

Your words, not mine 😮

Kthxbye