Should Iran release the capture British Marines?

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
How do you know they were not in Iranian waters? What makes you so sure?

Since begining of the war, British servicemen, have crossed on Iranian side of Arvand river, in 2004.

What are the chances, that 3 years later, instead of 8, 15 British service men and woman get detained for almost exactly the same thing.

I agreed that the British could be lying, I just do not think so.

I think Iran is trying to show defiance and how strong their will is against America/UK. They'll let the captives go after a bunch of yelling and finger pointing, Russia will probably be called in to mediate.

[QUOTE=8658179]Originally posted by Ushgarak
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I hate to re-state the point here, but they were not in Iranian waters.

how do you know were you there?

Originally posted by muslimscholar
[QUOTE=8658179]Originally posted by Ushgarak
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I hate to re-state the point here, but they were not in Iranian waters.

how do you know were you there?

Wow, for a scholar that was an incredibly smart response.

Originally posted by BackFire
Wow, for a scholar that was an incredibly smart response.

thanks i am glad you like it

Originally posted by muslimscholar
[QUOTE=8658179]Originally posted by Ushgarak
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I hate to re-state the point here, but they were not in Iranian waters.

how do you know were you there?

the iranians themselves said that the marines were arrested at a specific point that was in Iraqi waters...when this was pointed out they changed the position where they said the marines were arrested... 🙄

Originally posted by Robtard
I agreed that the British could be lying, I just do not think so.

I think Iran is trying to show defiance and how strong their will is against America/UK. They'll let the captives go after a bunch of yelling and finger pointing, Russia will probably be called in to mediate.

Russia has a great dislike for America and its dominance in Middle East (Russia just has a great dislike for America full stop, really), and Russia has quite a lot of financial ties to Iran.

It will not be in British or American favour.

Iran should have been left to its own business to sort its own crap. There are bigger problems in Iran than America, just like there are bigger problems in America than Iran.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Russia has a great dislike for America and its dominance in Middle East (Russia just has a great dislike for America full stop, really), and Russia has quite a lot of financial ties to Iran.

It will not be in British or American favour.

Iran should have been left to its own business to sort its own crap. There are bigger problems in Iran than America, just like there are bigger problems in America than Iran.

That's why Russia will step in, if they don't and Iran keeps barking, England & America will beat Iran like a snapping dog and Russia can't afford to have it's dog [interest] beaten.

Within a few weeks, the captives will be let go after Iran has strutted around a bit. That's what I think.

Don't be obtuse, folks. The British can prove they were not in Iranian waters via satellite imagery. That kind of thing is open to independant verification. It's not just the British 'saying' it. it is proof. Furthermore, the Indian vessel they were boarding can back this up.

Just to show how farcial they are, the Iranians issued their own set of conflicting co-ordinates where they said it actually happened. Rather classily, their co-ordinates... were also not in Iranian waters. When the British pointed this out, the Iranians kinda went "Ummm..." and presented a SECOND set, this time within. Yeah, right guys.

As ever, contemptuously stupid behaviour from Iran. And to be honest, it is fairly contemptible to simply doubt the British Government's word by default and blame a credible populace.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Don't be obtuse, folks. The British can prove htey were not in IOranian waters via satellite imagery. That kind of thing is open to independant verification. It;s not just the british saying it. it iss proof.

Just to show how farcial they are, the Iranians issued their own set of conlficting co-ordinates where they said it actially happened. Rather classily, their co-pordinates... were also not in Iranian waters. When the British pointed this out, the Iranians kinda went "Ummm..." and presented a SECOND set, this time within. Yeah, right guys.

As ever, contemptuously stupid behaviour from Iran.

At least they are great comedians.

I think the British Government did the right thing by going to the UN with this issue. The question is...why hasn't Iran taken this with the UN in the first place if they feel a wrong is been done to them?

Because the UN has sided against them in the nuclear dispute.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Western culture is not by default. It is not universaly ''right'', which means that not everyone wants ''american democracy'', or western culture. Fact.

What makes Iranians more credible? Nothing.
But they are far more honest - they are pretty open about their intentions, about their prejudices and about their hate. Which is their downfall.

What they should learn from the west is to hide their true intentions and achieve their goals under the false pretence.

Iranian people are not stupid. They don't need Americans and British to tell them what their life is under allahatoyha's and mullahs. Iranians, just like Iraqi's should be left to revolt their governments and sort their own crap out - by themselves. Without anyone else ''peacekeeping'' and invading.

Of course democracy is not right by default. I'm just a little confused why people of western influenced democracy are always so quick to defend a nation that wants nothing more than to see it fall.

I highly doubt that you and i as internet civilians have any idea of what Irans intentions are in any realm. Let alone our own Governments. I wouldnt trust my Government with my life, but i do believe that they wish to keep democracy thriving for that is their outlet of power. To me there is no better way of life than a free republic, because that give my little voice atleast some kind illusion of having relevance.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Because the UN has sided against them in the nuclear dispute.

Which has no real significance in the grand scheme of things

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Which has no real significance in the grand scheme of things

That I would severely doubt.

Originally posted by ragesRemorse
Which has no real significance in the grand scheme of things

Does to them. They feel the entire world, save North Korea (wooo! no wait... not at all woo) is against them.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Does to them. They feel the entire world, save North Korea (wooo! no wait... not at all woo) is against them.

Though, to be fair, they do kinda have a point.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
Does to them. They feel the entire world, save North Korea (wooo! no wait... not at all woo) is against them.

hasnt stopped many other countries to persuing their own ventures before.

I'm just a skeptic in believing that the U.N actually accomplishes anything, or has much influence over other countries.

Originally posted by BackFire
Oh God not the lizards!

thats the only response people can make recently. and im happy to read it. because i know its just a security blankey for those who are living in denial

Originally posted by Deano
thats the only response people can make recently. and im happy to read it. because i know its just a security blankey for those who are living in denial

If you're going to continually rant on and on about "Global Domination", "Babylonian Brotherhood", "Global Elite", "Lizardmen Overlords" and the like; at least be able to provide some reasonable evidence besides passages from David Icke's book(s). Otherwise, it's clearly you who is ignorant and in denial.

Releasing the them would be the right thing to do.