Originally posted by CasanoVa
Despite the fact Whedon's come straight off an X-men book I doubt it very much he would put an x-men villain in the Runaways, especially one that sucks to the extent that Apocalypse does. Wonder who the old lady is?
One of the trademarks of runaways is taking things which are a bit crap and making them work in my opinion..
Originally posted by Rick/Genis
Apocalypse would fit into the runaways as much as Sabertooth would fit into Silver Surfer... there's just no reason for it, even if you DO think they're cool characters..
Well Doom, Ultron and Superskrulls as well as giant gods who lived under the sea fitted O.K.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Some examples of that are?I actually never want Apocalypse to "grace" the pages of Runaways 'cause well what reason would there be? To take Molly? 😬
Who's saying it's apocalypse it might just be a creation of his that has moved on. It wouldn't be the first time.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Some examples of that are?I actually never want Apocalypse to "grace" the pages of Runaways 'cause well what reason would there be? To take Molly? 😬
That would be Hilarious.
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In apocs secret pyramid base which somehow hasn't been discovered or attacked by Dubya....
Molly : HI, why did you bring me here ?
Apoc : Because , annoying little mutant child, you kicked Wolverine's ass.
Molly : Your funny *giggles* You have blue lips , why ?
Apock : *quietly* F*ckin annoying little brat
laaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr
Runaways : Man is our series ever more angsty and emo like without our comic relief
Molly : Hi guys !
* Molly is now 18 years old and has the usual comic book female supermodel body coupled with the extreme lack of clothing*
Nico : Holy shit , you look like you stepped out of the 90's !
Karolina : *Drooling*
Originally posted by grey fox
That would be Hilarious.000000
In apocs secret pyramid base which somehow hasn't been discovered or attacked by Dubya....Molly : HI, why did you bring me here ?
Apoc : Because , annoying little mutant child, you kicked Wolverine's ass.
Molly : Your funny *giggles* You have blue lips , why ?
Apock : *quietly* F*ckin annoying little brat
laaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttteeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrr
Runaways : Man is our series ever more angsty and emo like without our comic relief
Molly : Hi guys !
* Molly is now 18 years old and has the usual comic book female supermodel body coupled with the extreme lack of clothing*
Nico : Holy shit , you look like you stepped out of the 90's !
Karolina : *Drooling*
On another forum they have a group called the Hype in favour of the abduction, corruption and sodomisation of Molly. I think they went a bit far. 😬
Originally posted by CasanoVa
You really fail.If a passer-by were to see it, they would [b]automatically
jump to the conclusion that she killed him.how hard is that to understand? that alone would stop her from ever becoming Captain America. [/B]
Oh so you are basing her justification for her becoming Cap on what people think of her. Well in civil War the majority hated Cap's guts (as shown in Thunderbolts #111) so did that suddenly make him not Captain America anymore?
Plus the fact that someone jumped a conclusion if they saw Sharon shooting Cap doesn't mean she is responsible for his death, it means that they were (you said it yourself) jumping to a conclusion ✅
Honestly, I hope there is no new Cap
Seriously, i've finally gotten used to the MU without Cap
Sure I miss him, but he'll be back in a couple years or so.
We don't want Marvel to make another mistake like they did with Hawkeye and give his name to some annoying sidekick who doesn't deserve to wear the title
Originally posted by willRules
Oh so you are basing her justification for her becoming Cap on what people think of her. Well in civil War the majority hated Cap's guts (as shown in Thunderbolts #111) so did that suddenly make him not Captain America anymore?Plus the fact that someone jumped a conclusion if they saw Sharon shooting Cap doesn't mean she is responsible for his death, it means that they were (you said it yourself) [B] jumping to a conclusion
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What is this? Really.. what is this? 😐
If you saw somebody shoot someone in the street, you wouldn't hesitate if the police asked you to say it was them who shot them would you? No, 616 citizens are even more ignorant than real people, they saw her shoot him.. whats hard to understand about that?
No, it was portrayed different, nobody "hated Cap's guts" if you saw the poll it was 65%-35% (in Winter Soldier: Winter Kills) and even at the courtroom there were plenty more supporters than "haters".
If i were to run somebody over and 50 people saw me, how would I not be responsible? please tell me this, infront of all those people who all witnessed it, how could i possibly not be responsible?
Originally posted by CasanoVa
What is this? Really.. what is this? 😐If you saw somebody shoot someone in the street, you wouldn't hesitate if the police asked you to say it was them who shot them would you? No, 616 citizens are even more ignorant than real people, they saw her shoot him.. whats hard to understand about that?
So you're saying that because people see Sharon shoot Cap, even though we know it wasn't her fault as she was being "controlled" by Faustus, we should just blame her anyway because people saw it that way? It's the equivalent of of blaming the knife in a stabbing or the bomb in an explosion, not the person holding the knife of the one who set off the bomb.Regardless of what people saw or thought doesn't suddenly mean Sharon's to blame. If I saw you stood over a dead man with gun in your hand of course I'd blame you, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd be correct in blaming you 🙄
Originally posted by CasanoVa
No, it was portrayed different, nobody "hated Cap's guts" if you saw the poll it was 65%-35% (in Winter Soldier: Winter Kills) and even at the courtroom there were plenty more supporters than "haters".
Civil War issue #2 Cap portrayed as an outlaw and a fugitive.
Civil War #3 Cap has already gone underground from Cape killers with his Secret Avengers
Civil War issue #6 cap authorises the breaking and entering of the Baxter building, the home of one of the most loved groups of family superheroes in 616.
Civil War issue #7 Various members of the public prevent cap from attacking stark because they don't support Cap anymore.
This is just some of the examples from the main storyline, not including the tie in issues where he is portrayed as a wanted criminal ✅
Originally posted by CasanoVa
If i were to run somebody over and 50 people saw me, how would I not be responsible? please tell me this, in front of all those people who all witnessed it, how could i possibly not be responsible?
I don't know perhaps if you were mind controlled/ hypnotized/ brainwashed into doing it and therefore you weren't responsible for your actions but your "controller" was, just possibly like what happened to Sharon Carter. ✅ 🙄
Originally posted by willRules
So you're saying that because people see Sharon shoot Cap, even though we know it wasn't her fault as she was being "controlled" by Faustus, we should just blame her anyway because people saw it that way? It's the equivalent of of blaming the knife in a stabbing or the bomb in an explosion, not the person holding the knife of the one who set off the bomb.[B]Regardless of what people saw or thought doesn't suddenly mean Sharon's to blame. If I saw you stood over a dead man with gun in your hand of course I'd blame you, but it doesn't necessarily mean I'd be correct tin blaming 🙄Civil War issue #2 Cap portrayed as an outlaw and a fugitive.
Civil War #3 Cap has already gone underground from Cape killers with his Secret Avengers
Civil War issue #6 cap authorises the breaking and entering of the Baxter building, the home of one of the most loved groups of family superheroes in 616.
Civil War issue #7 Various members of the public prevent cap from attacking stark because they don't support Cap anymore.This is just some of the examples from the main storyline, not including the tie in issues where he is portrayed as a wanted criminal ✅
I don't know perhaps if you were mind controlled/ hypnotized/ brainwashed into doing it and therefore you weren't responsible for your actions but your "controller" was, just possibly like what happened to Sharon Carter. ✅ 🙄 [/B]
I never once said he wasn't a criminal, you said he was "hated" but that's still an over-exaggeration on your part IMO. He wasn't hated at all, even members of the Pro-reg side even saw him as their friends despite all of the things that happened during the "war".
You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this as a comic book reader Will, see it as a normal citizen of the 616 universe, you see Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.. its totally different, if they had seen her standing over Captain America with her gun drawn and him shot maybe I could understand (we're over-looking the fact that nobody properly saw her except the evil dude for the sake of the argument).
But lookey here, I'm standing in the crowd outside the courtroom waiting for Captain America to come in, he starts walking in to enter and then suddenly he gets hit in the shoulder from a sniper bullet. He starts to stumble, Sharon Carter rushes over to him and shoots him twice in the stomach.
Now from how I see that, she was the murderer, lets pretend this had happened in real life shall we? What proof is there that she had been mind-controlled? There's none, we only see Carter shooting him in the stomach and she can't exactly give any evidence that she's been mind controlled.
If this were in a court of law and I were to say "oh I've been mind-controlled" do you think it would stand up? No, it wouldn't in the 616 universe either without proper evidence (like in say the Wolverine storyline where he's locked in "The Cage"😉.
I'm not asking you this from a comic book reader, with all the knowledge of what Red Skull had been up to, but as a 616 citizen who witnessed Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.
EDIT- I'm not arguing against that she isn't to blame, because I know she isn't, all I'm saying if they looked over CCTV tapes or whatever and see what happens, very clear it will be her that murdered him and there will be no proof otherwise or that she had been mind-controlled -EDIT.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
I never once said he wasn't a criminal, you said he was "hated" but that's still an over-exaggeration on your part IMO. He wasn't hated at all, even members of the Pro-reg side even saw him as their friends despite all of the things that happened during the "war".You're reading waaaaaaaaaaaaay too much into this as a comic book reader Will, see it as a normal citizen of the 616 universe, you see Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.. its totally different, if they had seen her standing over Captain America with her gun drawn and him shot maybe I could understand (we're over-looking the fact that nobody properly saw her except the evil dude for the sake of the argument).
But lookey here, I'm standing in the crowd outside the courtroom waiting for Captain America to come in, he starts walking in to enter and then suddenly he gets hit in the shoulder from a sniper bullet. He starts to stumble, Sharon Carter rushes over to him and shoots him twice in the stomach.
Now from how I see that, she was the murderer, lets pretend this had happened in real life shall we? What proof is there that she had been mind-controlled? There's none, we only see Carter shooting him in the stomach and she can't exactly give any evidence that she's been mind controlled.
If this were in a court of law and I were to say "oh I've been mind-controlled" do you think it would stand up? No, it wouldn't in the 616 universe either without proper evidence (like in say the Wolverine storyline where he's locked in "The Cage"😉.
I'm not asking you this from a comic book reader, with all the knowledge of what Red Skull had been up to, but as a 616 citizen who witnessed Sharon Carter shooting Captain America twice.
EDIT- I'm not arguing against that she isn't to blame, because I know she isn't, all I'm saying if they looked over CCTV tapes or whatever and see what happens, very clear it will be her that murdered him and there will be no proof otherwise or that she had been mind-controlled -EDIT.
I'm not saying she wouldn't be blamed I'm merely saying she shouldn't be blamed. As a reader with the knowledge of the villains plans of course I know it not to Sharon's fault and without that knowledge of course I would blame her, but if the sky was green I'd refer to a green sky, but it's not it's blue.
Likewise if Sharon was to blame, then I' blame her, but she's not so I won't. I'm not reading into this to much as I am looking at it as a reader, not a citizen of the MU 🙄
If I was a citizen of the 616 universe I would blame her, but I'm not I am a comic book reader who knows that Dr Faustus probably was responsible and therefore Sharon isn't to blame.
Plus just because there is a lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue, obviously. There is no point arguing ifs and buts if we know what the real outcome is, regardless of how we can prove it or not. ✅
Originally posted by willRules
I'm not saying she wouldn't be blamed I'm merely saying she shouldn't be blamed. As a reader with the knowledge of the villains plans of course I know it not to Sharon's fault and without that knowledge of course I would blame her, but if the sky was green I'd refer to a green sky, but it's not it's blue.Likewise if Sharon was to blame, then I' blame her, but she's not so I won't. I'm not reading into this to much as I am looking at it as a reader, not a citizen of the MU 🙄
If I was a citizen of the 616 universe I would blame her, but I'm not I am a comic book reader who knows that Dr Faustus probably was responsible and therefore Sharon isn't to blame.
Plus just because there is a lack of evidence doesn't mean it's untrue, obviously. There is no point arguing ifs and buts if we know what the real outcome is, regardless of how we can prove it or not. ✅
Yes, but you argued for Sharon to be Captain America despite the fact that to the citizens of the MU (if they ever find out, which they should because when such things happen for eg JFK's assanation, there's no shortage of footage etc.) she was the one that killed him.
She won't ever be Captain America, nor should she be to be honest. Michael Pointer became Guardian despite the fact he killed her, maybe.. and it's the exact same thing, but Agent 13 just doesn't deserve it (when there are people like Fury, Hawkeye, Bucky floating about).
Does it matter what is true and untrue? No, it's about what you can and cannot prove.
Either way, there's no way in Hell she will ever become Captain America. Really.
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Yes, but you argued for Sharon to be Captain America despite the fact that to the citizens of the MU (if they ever find out, which they should because when such things happen for eg JFK's assanation, there's no shortage of footage etc.) she was the one that killed him.She won't [b]ever
be Captain America, nor should she be to be honest. Michael Pointer became Guardian despite the fact he killed her, maybe.. and it's the exact same thing, but Agent 13 just doesn't deserve it (when there are people like Fury, Hawkeye, Bucky floating about).[/B]
I agree that she won't be but I personally think she could be an interesting Cap at least until Rogers gets resurrected a couple of years down the line ✅ That's why I said this.............
Originally posted by willRules
Who should be Cap? Bucky or Agent 13
Who will be? most likely Punisher judging from the pictures ✅
Originally posted by CasanoVa
Does it matter what is true and untrue? No, it's about what you can and cannot prove.
I couldn't disagree with this statement more even if I tried really hard to do so. ✅
Originally posted by willRules
Either way, there's no way in Hell she will ever become Captain America. Really.
Agreed. ✅
Originally posted by willRules
I agree that she won't be but I personally think she could be an interesting Cap at least until Rogers gets resurrected a couple of years down the line ✅ That's why I said this.............I couldn't disagree with this statement more even if I tried really hard to do so. ✅
Agreed. ✅
Well that was a nice little discussion Mr.Russell, same time next week? 😉