TPM Qui Gon vs ANH Obiwan

Originally posted by darthsith19
This begs for proof.

Well, the Jedi Order had thousands of Jedi i think about 10000 as stated in Cloak Of Deception and there had to be allot of Soreusu masters, because most enemies the Jedi faced, had lightsabers as weapon and you don't think that Qui-Gon would practice with some of them in sparing matches, true no one was as good as Kenobi is, but i think he is familiar with the form.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
Well, the Jedi Order had thousands of Jedi i think about 10000 as stated in Cloak Of Deception and there had to be allot of Soreusu masters, because most enemies the Jedi faced, had lightsabers as weapon and you don't think that Qui-Gon would practice with some of them in sparing matches, true no one was as good as Kenobi is, but i think he is familiar with the form.

Completely off topic:

Was the Jedi Order down to around 7,500 members when Palpatine issued Order 66?

Originally posted by Council#13
Completely off topic:

Was the Jedi Order down to around 7,500 members when Palpatine issued Order 66?

Originally posted by darthsith19
Yup, ten thousand Jedi as of TPM. Yes, I have also heard that Soresu is the most common form, which means that more Jedi used Soresu than used any other form. This in no way means that Jinn knew Soresu, as he was at Ataru Master, people rarely master or learn more than one form as there's not really a need to. So your just speculating and have no proof. So your point is moot.

I never said that Qui-Gon mastered Soreusu, but he was probably familiar with it, while sparing with other Soresu practitioners, it is not an unknown form to him, he knows what to except, it is not like he never
seen Soresu.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I never said that Qui-Gon mastered Soreusu, but he was probably familiar with it, while sparing with other Soresu practitioners, it is not an unknown form to him, he knows what to except, it is not like he never
seen Soresu.

I never said that he used Soresu, i just said that it isn't an unknown, he probably knows how Soresu practitioners fight, from his sparing matches with them(com on, that he never faced a Soresu practitioner is ridicules) and YES Obi-Wan has a small advantage.

ANH Kenobi was weak when he fought Vader, thats why he gave his life, so ANH Luke could become a Jedi. TPM Obi-Wan is a far better combatant than "Old Ben" Kenobi so I would say that Qui-Gon wins.

He gave up his life to sacrificed himself and to become a Force spirit, to better guide Luke.

Based solely on the films I would say Qui Gon would win.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
He gave up his life to sacrificed himself and to become a Force spirit, to better guide Luke.

Agreed

Yet he would've lost anyway.

That was meant to me right, i agree that Kenobi would lose to Vader anyway, i just said that he isn't weak and why he left Vader to strike him.

I think Vader is better than Ben, but not much.

I don't know, i think he is better by some margin and Vader used and fought constantly, while Kenobi didn't.

Vader is better than Ben in saber by some margin, but not in the force(maybe a little)...

Agreed

But when you think about it, what did ANH Kenobi ever do with the Force, except becoming a Force ghost, but that has no value in battle, we haven't seen anything from him, do we know how good he is with the Force in personal combat.

Originally posted by Count Makashi
But when you think about it, what did ANH Kenobi ever do with the Force, except becoming a Force ghost, but that has no value in battle, we haven't seen anything from him, do we know how good he is with the Force in personal combat.

Butt, there is also nothing in the EU, Vader is bad in the movies to, but in EU he is very good, there is nothing from ANH Kenobi, or some years before ANH, from the EU, at least i haven read anything.